I've always been like attracted to guys, I like guys I think they're hot Guys are who I like to date

But lately I've been realizing that I also kinda like girls

Not as like a crush or anything...I just think that there are some that are pretty hot

(like Angelina Jolie and some girls at my school)

What I wanna know is what are like "the signs" that ur like bi-sexual?

Also, are u born bi-sexual? or is it a choice?

Before I used to check out girls, but that was just to like see what they're wearing and stuff

But lately I've been doing more than that, actually looking now and being like "oh that girl has a nice butt or nice legs..etc"

In my whole life I have had but one sexual encounter with a girl

And that was truth or dare and I picked dare and she made me do some stuff to her, which I'd rather not say

The only thing I figured out from that was that I had absolutely no fun at all (probably cause I didn't find her attractive)

I read in cosmopolitan that it is normal for a girl to have like sexual fantasies about other girls just that most girls don't act on those fantasies cause of society and the way they judge that

I was thinking though that probably if a girl I found attractive wanted to do something sexual with me (probably 3 some, that way I can have a guy there too...it's all good), that I would do it

But I don't think I would want to date a girl...that just kinda seems icky

So what do you think? Am I bi or am I just a regular girl with kinky sexual fantasies?

P.S. (I'm a breast gal)

Wow... I thought I was the only one... Well, I believe that you are probably bi... This weekend I got really drunk and I kissed my best friend Krystal and I almost had a threesome with My friend Ashley and this one guy... It's totally normal to check a girl out... I check girls out all the time... There are some pretty hot chicks...

First of all, Cosmopolitan is bullshit because it is not normal for strait girls to have fantasies about other girls. Maybe you might look at another girl and think, "Oh....that's a cute outfit". I would consider that normal, but not sexual fantasies.

Is this attraction to other girls more like... you would want to have sex with them or you just like to check them out, and not necessarily act on it?

If you find out that you really are Bi-Sexual, so what. You are the only one that can choose to act on it. Hey, I don't have a problem with girls being Bi-Sexual. I think that's a turn-on for most guys anyway.

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What is it about you bi-curious ladies and Angelina Joile?

Ah yes, high school...

I've had my share of women, but at the end of the day, I had to face a truth. This truth was deeply ingrained at the heart of my soul, stitched into every fiber of my being:

Pussy makes me gag, no matter how clean it is.

That isn't to say that I wouldn't put on a show for the right monetary reward, but it's not something I'd do out of my own volition.

I used to think sexuality is a choice, and I think it *is* a choice as much as anything else in this world is a choice. A obvious example of this is devouts of various religions who go for decades without sex. Is strength measured by how far one can deviate from the kind of bare, unrefined sexuality necessary to continue the species? Or is it something else?

I love cock. Or rather, I love the idea of cock. My actual experiences with the organ have been underwhelming, to say the least. Still, I remain a believer in the potential of cock.

***edit: another thought...

I'm most attracted to girls who have nice, tight, bodies. A nice rack or a flaunted bubble butt will always make do a double take. But what is attraction? Am I attracted to the body, or am I merely in awe of the confidence, excercize regimen, and good genes that created such a form?

We covet that which we want for ourselves. We love so that we may absorb. We become what we fuck.

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quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

What is it about you bi-curious ladies and Angelina Joile?

Angelina Jolie is fucking hot.. just look at her!

quote:Originally posted by Someone21special:

Angelina Jolie is fucking hot.. just look at her!

But I swear, more girls like her than guys.

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

But I swear, more girls like her than guys.

It's because of that HBO special. "Gia" or whatever it was.

One doesn't have to act on something in their

head. No? Some folk are gay or bithexx

other people just do stuff 'cause it's in their head.

Some of non-heterosexual desire is genetic.

Some is a stage that teenage kids go through,

that is not neccessary to act on. Though maybe every fantasy should be acted on?

Rob banks? Burn schools? Get real drunk,steal

cars & drive real fast? Get Herpes & sleep bare with lots of people on purpose, 'cause you hate people? Kill yer Ma?

It's your fantasy, why not act it out?

Then again, it is suppossedly normal for most

teenagers to have same-thexxth fantasies. Have you ever heard that? I doubt it. Even today thexxth is a touchy topic.

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quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

Even today thexxth is a touchy topic.

....and apparently an even harder one to spell, ya doofus.

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quote:Originally posted by Schraff:

It's because of that HBO special. "Gia" or whatever it was.

Nah...It was "Taking Lives" that did it for me (the british accent and the brief nudity)

.straight.

I have decided that I am NOT bi-sexual

Why...because I don't wanna be

Also because it was kinda one of those impulsive things...woke up in the morning and thought to myself "Am I bi-sexual?"

First and foremost for me would be guys

I love guys, I love guy's bodies, I love dicks

I gotta agree with that other girl, I don't think I could ever eat pussy...or kiss a girl, actually I don't think I could do anything remotely sexual with a girl without being grossed out

Hmm...then why did I even start this topic in the first place?

Yeah well that's about it, I'm not bi-sexual

For all you bi-sexual chicks out there, good luck with that (maybe it's just a faze)

Oh and that other guy is right, It's all in your mind set

If you don't want to be bi, just don't think girls are hot...simple

Holy shit, you're dumb. Unless you're like 9 years old (I discovered my sexuality when I was 10; I expect others to have done the same), you deserve to be shot. Being bisexual isn't a choice or a "faze". It's no different from being gay or straight except in that it carries more stigma because of dumb bitches like you. Please go die.

quote:Originally posted by Aunt Jemima:

Nah...It was "Taking Lives" that did it for me (the british accent and the brief nudity)



Yup....you're bi.

EDIT: Oh, so you're going to hide it now? OK, whatever.

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quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Holy shit, you're dumb. Unless you're like 9 years old (I discovered my sexuality when I was 10; I expect others to have done the same), you deserve to be shot. Being bisexual isn't a choice or a "faze". It's no different from being gay or straight except in that it carries more stigma because of dumb bitches like you. Please go die.

So that means that if when I was 10 years old I was heterosexual and not attracted to girls that means that now I'm still heterosexual and I never was bi-sexual

P.S. I'm not the one who looks for sexual release in weed

Why don't u go fuck a girl instead of a piece of grass u dumb shit

quote:Originally posted by Mr X:

First of all, Cosmopolitan is bullshit because it is not normal for strait girls to have fantasies about other girls. Maybe you might look at another girl and think, "Oh....that's a cute outfit". I would consider that normal, but not sexual fantasies.

Is this attraction to other girls more like... you would want to have sex with them or you just like to check them out, and not necessarily act on it?

If you find out that you really are Bi-Sexual, so what. You are the only one that can choose to act on it. Hey, I don't have a problem with girls being Bi-Sexual. I think that's a turn-on for most guys anyway.

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You said ^ that I don't have to act on it, so that's what I'm gonna do

Why say I'm bi-sexual if I'm not gonna do anything with girls

That's just giving the wrong impression

Then I'll end up with some girls coming to me and being all like "I hear you're bi, u wanna hook up with me tonight...blah blah blah" Then I have to go say "no, I don't act on my bi-sexuality" and they get disappointed, plus it wastes my time

So ya think what u want "Mr.X" but I'm just basically following your advice

quote:Originally posted by Aunt Jemima:

So that means that if when I was 10 years old I was heterosexual and not attracted to girls that means that now I'm still heterosexual and I never was bi-sexual

P.S. I'm not the one who looks for sexual release in weed

Why don't u go fuck a girl instead of a piece of grass u dumb shit

Honey, when you call someone dumb, please try to spell "you" correctly. It's not a difficult word for most of us.

My point was not that your sexuality has changed. The point was that you're a dumbass for questioning it, then dismissing all bisexuals as "going through a phase" when you realized that you're not bi. Guess what! We're not all you (thank God) and we don't all have the same sexual preference. Just because you don't feel a certain way doesn't mean that no one should, or worse yet, that it's just not possible that anyone would.

By the way, I'm not looking for sexual release in weed. I'm looking for weed release in sex.

Edit: wow, I missed something that I quoted in an earlier post of yours. You actually stated that a person could change their sexuality if they wanted to. Up until I read that I thought I might be being too hard on you. You actually think a person can just not think girls are hot and that will be the end of it? There are no words to express what I'm feeling right now. It's hard to believe a person could be as dumb as you are. Wow

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quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Honey, when you call someone dumb, please try to spell "you" correctly. It's not a difficult word for most of us.

My point was not that your sexuality has changed. The point was that you're a dumbass for questioning it, then dismissing all bisexuals as "going through a phase" when you realized that you're not bi. Guess what! We're not all you (thank God) and we don't all have the same sexual preference. Just because you don't feel a certain way doesn't mean that no one should, or worse yet, that it's just not possible that anyone would.

By the way, I'm not looking for sexual release in weed. I'm looking for weed release in sex.

Edit: wow, I missed something that I quoted in an earlier post of yours. You actually stated that a person could change their sexuality if they wanted to. Up until I read that I thought I might be being too hard on you. You actually think a person can just not think girls are hot and that will be the end of it? There are no words to express what I'm feeling right now. It's hard to believe a person could be as dumb as you are. Wow

[This message has been edited by GlitterPunk112358 (edited 05-11-2004).]

I'm sorry, but you misinterpreted the point I was trying to get across

1) Some people believe that you are not born bi,gay,lez...etc They believe that everyone is born heterosexual and if you want to be something other than that then you end up choosing what you want to be

Like for eg. A girl is raped by her father at a young age so she ends up being a lesbian when she is older

2) I was trying to figure out if I was bi-sexual because that is inbetween, also I haven't had anyone scar me like the ^

That is why I said "If you don't want to be bi-sexual, just don't think girls are hot" cause that was what I had been doing

Everytime I was like "Oh this girl is hot" then I started doubting my sexual preference and wondering if I was bi-sexual

When I actually sat down and thought about it, I realized that besides thinking a girl has a nice body, I was never really like "sexually" attracted as I would, persay, a guy

3) I only questioned my sexuality because I have a friend who was heterosexual, then became bi-sexual, then went back to being heterosexual, all because of this one girl she had a crush on

If it was possible for her to do that, then why couldn't it be possible for me to have changed my sexual preference as well? Don't you think?

4) I have nothing wrong with Bi-sexual, Gay, Lez...etc people

I have lots of friends, and friends of friends who are Bi-sexual

I haven't met any Gay or Lesbian though

I don't think there's anything wrong with being that

But I also kind of feel like it's a choice that you make

God made us to reproduce right? Then wouldn't we always be attracted to the opposite sex, the people we reproduce with?

That's basically what humans are meant to do, we're like animals

Also it's also like that whole "mindset" thing, you wanna be Gay, ur gonna be gay

5) I didn't say that EVERYONE was going through a faze. If you read above that you will see that another guy said that teenagers like to experiment and a lot of the time it is something like a "faze"

Like my friend for example

When you're a teen you're still growing up so obviously you're still figuring out everything about yourself...right?

Anyway that's all I gotta say, Sugarlips

Yeah, now that I read that, I see that you're right. It was a choice I made to be harassed for years and thought of as a whore. One day I thought to myself, "Stephanie, what do we want to do today? Should we be attracted only to guys and fit in with society? Should we be accepted like normal people? Naw, I think I'll try something different and get treated like shit every day. That will be fun." Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I don't know what goes on in your mind, but I don't get to pick and choose who I fall for. It's just something that happens. And as soon as I started having sexual feelings, I had them about girls and guys. Not my choice. Why would I want to do that if I did have a choice?

And it's fucking insulting that you would suggest that lesbians are how they are because they've had some horrible experience with men. NOT EVERYONE IS YOU. We're not all the same. It's fucked up to think that any person who differs from the norm has been abused. If everyone followed your mentality that different = crazy, where the hell would we be today? Do you also think that people who don't want Bush as a president feel this way because of some childhood trauma?

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Yeah, now that I read that, I see that you're right. It was a choice I made to be harassed for years and thought of as a whore. One day I thought to myself, "Stephanie, what do we want to do today? Should we be attracted only to guys and fit in with society? Should we be accepted like normal people? Naw, I think I'll try something different and get treated like shit every day. That will be fun." Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I don't know what goes on in your mind, but I don't get to pick and choose who I fall for. It's just something that happens. And as soon as I started having sexual feelings, I had them about girls and guys. Not my choice. Why would I want to do that if I did have a choice?

And it's fucking insulting that you would suggest that lesbians are how they are because they've had some horrible experience with men. NOT EVERYONE IS YOU. We're not all the same. It's fucked up to think that any person who differs from the norm has been abused. If everyone followed your mentality that different = crazy, where the hell would we be today? Do you also think that people who don't want Bush as a president feel this way because of some childhood trauma?

I'm sorry, I'm not American

So really, I have no clue how you retards think

P.S. Come to Canada if you want to deal with some real shit, bitch

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

What is it about you bi-curious ladies and Angelina Joile?

Seeing GlitterPunk become more aggressive in the later days has some how arroused me in my pants.

MUAHAHAAH!

Anyways, there is no BI. BI is when your gay but you think it makes you feel better to not be completely gay.

End of story, if I see a BI man "supposedly" he is still gay. Gay men are just men who want sex more often and other men who want the same.

Also who like to act feminine

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Seeing GlitterPunk become more aggressive in the later days has some how arroused me in my pants.

MUAHAHAAH!

Anyways, there is no BI. BI is when your gay but you think it makes you feel better to not be completely gay.

End of story, if I see a BI man "supposedly" he is still gay. Gay men are just men who want sex more often and other men who want the same.

Also who like to act feminine

Wait, what about my gay butt?

Oh... if you are gay it will trouble me so.

You being the only female I have come remotely to respecting in this hell hole I call totse forums.

WOE IS ME!

I am feeling rather inspired tonight? I wonder why?

I'm sorry Carbon, but your assessment of bisexual men is wrong, atleast in my case, and I'm sure in 90%+ of others.

I'm not in denial of being full on gay, I'm just not gay. I have a sexual attraction towards men that is kicked in the crotch in comparison towards my sexual attraction towards women, but it still exists and it does me no use to deny it exists, nor would it be of any use to deny the extent of it.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Oh... if you are gay it will trouble me so.

You being the only female I have come remotely to respecting in this hell hole I call totse forums.

WOE IS ME!

I am feeling rather inspired tonight? I wonder why?

I'm gay and in denial. I think I like guys, but apparently you and the chick who can't spell 'you' know more about who I like than I do.

I'm not trying to tell you who you do or don't like.

I am simply stating that if you are gay, congrats and if you aren't I hope you a long and happy life.

If you think about it I think that gay women are just confused and don't know what to get from a man. Getting it from a women seems easier?

Or is it the fact that a man can't turn you on?

Anyways, if you say you are attracted to men then you aren't gay or BI. If you engage in sexual relations with a man you are gay, no matter what you say. I don't care if you sleep with women in my EYES, and only mine you are still 100 percent gay.

Now if you haven't engaged in any type of sexual relations with a man then in my eyes you are straight.

Well I see members of the opposite sex also, and see that some are attractive.. but I'd have to say you can consider yourself bi when you are sexually attracted to both sexes.

To my experience, ne girl that is kinda on tha lumpy side, u know the ones with the spare tire, when they say that they are BI, they are just really desperate for any action. But if u are like a girl that makes ppl give second looks,(not like punk or goth ppl get second looks) and ur BI u can get some one to fuck or suck w/o having to say ur BI. So yea.

I'm not gay. That's been my point. I'm bi. I'm not ugly or fat either. I have plenty of guys drooling over me (not to be arrogant, but I'm not going to lie). I'm not bi because I need the largest pool possible to find someone to fuck me. I'm bi because I'm bi. That's how I am. Not a choice. Not a denial of being gay (I like the cock) and not a denial of being straight (I like the cunt)

I didnt say ne thing bout hating BI gurls its just kinda the guys that bother me. Damn thats so nasty FUCK.

quote:Originally posted by PsyCl0ne:

To my experience, ne girl that is kinda on tha lumpy side, u know the ones with the spare tire, when they say that they are BI, they are just really desperate for any action. But if u are like a girl that makes ppl give second looks,(not like punk or goth ppl get second looks) and ur BI u can get some one to fuck or suck w/o having to say ur BI. So yea.

why would you say "punk" or "goth" people don't get second looks? that's all up to personal preference ... anywho ... as for the argument of jemima vs. glitter, i side with glitter in that you don't always really "choose" who you fall for, you like who you like, ... i could say i'm bi becuz i like guys, wanna fuck guys ..etc. but then also check girls out (not just outfits, don't usually care about that) but more physical features (ass/legs/boobs) and hell i've even made out with one of my friends who's a chick and have at least one pic of a female porn star on my computer somewhere, so am i bi? i'm not even totally sure, just 16 and trying to figure things out. did i "choose" to find attraction towards members of the same gender? no, but i do find some girls attractive, and i'm not denying it.



(and i agree that angelina jolie is very hot)

There is only one sure way to know if you are bisexual (sp?). Try it. Keep in mind the feelings you experience compared to an experience with a boy. Then decide.

Just somethin' a bisexual girl told me.

Good luck.

she just really really hot

quote:Originally posted by BlackNiggaTown:

There is only one sure way to know if you are bisexual (sp?). Try it. Keep in mind the feelings you experience compared to an experience with a boy. Then decide.

Just somethin' a bisexual girl told me.

Good luck.

Yup, just like Heroin or Crack, if yer not really sure if you'd like them...TRY THEM. Sure, get some pleasure[i] mixed in,

then try to decide.

You're not at all like *Pavlov's Dog*, pain &

pleasure have nothing to do with what you do.

You, just do what you do.

Glitter, just slow down. Relax, do you always

get so cranky without Weed?

Thexxthuallity is very complex. I think a little attention to animals & birds is good.

Some Seagulls, fer instance, there are a number of girlbirds who form lesbian pair bonds. Lay eggs & all.

Some more butch female dogs will mount other

dogs of both thexxuths. Same with cows & lots of others. Thexxth is not always about reproduction...even with animals.

So, me, I tend to think a lot of any type of

stuff/thing appears on a bell curve. Say that

maybe for Thexxth, that at the right end (I don't think one curve will cover all sex) are

genetic gays. The big middle bulge is Hetero.

Whereas way at the other end are people who just don't care much for thexxth.

What about the folks who aren't genetically predisposed to their own thexxth? Sure, they can be attracted, even Pavloved to that kind of thexxth.

I think any group that goes political (such as militant Homothexx) tends to warp discussion. It's all "You [i]must be open

to our viewpoint. Of course, we don't have to

be open to yours! That's just not the way things work. Us, Us, Us, We, We, We. Not you, not you, not you."

The above type of folks might say you have to act on attraction. Why doesn't that apply to animals? Or kids? Or the money in banks?

Why shouldn't all those gays in the fashion industry who do women's fashion have thexxth

with these women they see are attractive? I

tend to think that just 'cause a person or thing is excellent, one doesn't have to act.

I don't really like men, so any attraction

(small as it may be) I've never acted on. I don't want to be Pavloved. With a busy World & only so much time.... One cannot have time for everything.

Schraff, I've never been a *Sparrow*...Caw,

caw, caw caaaw.

^^^ Stupid server, it won't let me edit the above. Wants me to look more idotic.

Well I still don't recognize a classification for BI's. To me Bi's don't exsist only straight and gay.

This is only my opinion so please don't say I'm wrong to think this way?

Bi's is just another form of not wanting to admit your gay. If you say you like both sexes it doesn't matter. If you like 2 types of drugs are you still a drug addict?

If you like the same sex and engage in sexual relations with them then you are gay. That is the definition. You are gay.

So when you say you are bi, to me all I hear is you are gay. You like the same sex.

Anyways, I think this thread has gone in a wierd direction? Or has it?

Carbon are you just wakin' or sick? You're so

mellow. Columnist Rhona Raskin, among ohers, has said basically the same.

Yet, I wonder, if someone has it off for 20 or 40 years with both sexses? Like if someone isn't really interested in Stock Car

racing, yet a buddy talks him into some track

action. He doesn't go out of his way, but keeps doing it. Ten years later he's at a bunch of tracks on a semi-reg basis.

He's not the best, but has gotten better. Is he a stock car racer or not? If he isn't, why

is he out on the track? If he is, why does he

have other interests?

If you met an US ex-President, would you call

him *Mr. President*? Even though he's not?

I wish my wife was bi.....

No because he's not the President anymore.

A position in office isn't the same as a preference.

If you have sex with the same sex you aren't going to be remembered for your accomplishments you are only going to be remembered for what seperates you from other people, and that is being gay.

I don't care if it was only one time, if you sucked some dick your a dick sucker. A cock sucker, someone who sucks the cock.

Even if it was an experiment I hope you don't release that info to anyone you don't trust becuase they are going to look at you in another light.

For a woman who see's other women kiss is just as disgusting as a man seeing another men kiss each other.

quote:Originally posted by Aunt Jemima:

You said ^ that I don't have to act on it, so that's what I'm gonna do

Why say I'm bi-sexual if I'm not gonna do anything with girls

That's just giving the wrong impression

Then I'll end up with some girls coming to me and being all like "I hear you're bi, u wanna hook up with me tonight...blah blah blah" Then I have to go say "no, I don't act on my bi-sexuality" and they get disappointed, plus it wastes my time

So ya think what u want "Mr.X" but I'm just basically following your advice

I did not say that your were going to act on your bi-sexuality. I just said that it seems like you are bi.

Either way, I don't really care.

quote:Originally posted by Aunt Jemima:

I'm sorry, I'm not American

So really, I have no clue how you retards think

P.S. Come to Canada if you want to deal with some real shit, bitch



Eh?

anything with an ass and a rack..

This is starting to piss me off. Carbon, you can't invent your own word definitions and expect everyone to know, follow, or give a shit about them. If I wanted to start calling you a plate because someone ate food off you once, that doesn't mean that you're no longer human and are now a plate. It means that I like to make up definitions for words. Besides, even if we were going to accept your definition, it's fundamentally flawed. If a man who is attracted to men is gay, would a man who is attracted to a woman not be straight? But what if he likes both? That's like saying that anyone who has some African blood in him is black. And anyone who has aryan blood is white. And there is no middle ground. That's denying the existance of anyone of mixed race

Well he is white and yes he would be considered black on a legal level.

He would be elligable for scholarships based on his bloodline.

I'm not making up definitions, the definition of homosexual is being sexually involved with the same sex.

For you to say you are attracted too and like females am I wrong to call you homosexual?

It really matters not to me how frustrated you get because I will!, always have the upper hand.

Just remember that.

Heterosexual: Sexually oriented to persons of the opposite sex.

Homosexual: Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex

By these dictionary.com definitions, I am both heterosexual and homosexual. It would be equally accurate to refer to me as either one. Meaning that to say that a man who sleeps with women, yet has had sexual interactions with men is homosexual and not heterosexual is just your own stupidity. A more accurate term for this man is bisexual (Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex) because it encompasses his whole sexual orientation instead of half of it.

Kinsey, Alfred



Now go here (Http://www.google.com) and fucking learn.

I know you can come out of that ocean of ignorance. You don't even know you're in water now, but once you come out, you will wonder how you didn't drown.

KidKelko, your post made less sense then most of mine usually do.

bi·sex·u·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-sksh-l)

adj.

Of or relating to both sexes

That is the definition, I don't understand how you can disagree with a word that means exactly what it says.



homosexual

adj : sexually attracted to members of your own sex n : someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex [syn: homo, gay]

Let's break it down for you Carbon in words that you can understand:

Homosexual-only sexually attracted to members of the same sex

Heterosexual-Only sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex

Bisexual- sexually attracted to members of both sex

Okay, get it?

Oh, and nocuous, those lips, that voice, the body, how could we NOT be attracted to Angelina?

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Well I still don't recognize a classification for BI's. To me Bi's don't exsist only straight and gay.

This is only my opinion so please don't say I'm wrong to think this way?

Bi's is just another form of not wanting to admit your gay. If you say you like both sexes it doesn't matter. If you like 2 types of drugs are you still a drug addict?

If you like the same sex and engage in sexual relations with them then you are gay. That is the definition. You are gay.

So when you say you are bi, to me all I hear is you are gay. You like the same sex.

Anyways, I think this thread has gone in a wierd direction? Or has it?

"If you like the same sex and engage in sexual relations with them then you are gay. That is the definition. You are gay."

...Exactly? You're gay if you are sexually attrcted to the same sex. Thats obvious.

"So when you say you are bi, to me all I hear is you are gay. You like the same sex."

No. If you are attracted to only the same sex, then you are gay. Bisexuality is defined by a sexual attraction to both sexes. Look up Gay or homosexual in the dictionary. It doesn't state that you can want men, and have women on the side. Homosexuality is strictly the same sex.

I can't see how you don't get this.. It's painfully obvious.

But here. www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) It might help if you still don't want to change your mind.

*Edit* Fixed a few spelling mistakes so as to clarify my point.

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You can post all the defintions that you want, but the only thing that I am going to hear is my own opinion.

Is that so hard for you to understand I want to voice my opinion and it's not wrong, it's just another form of thinking.

For you to sit here and tell me my opinion is wrong is just you being naive about who I am and how hard that is going to be.

My opinion isn't wrong and if I want to call you a flaming faggot for having sex with the same sex then I can.

It's correctly termed and I can call you it all I want.

If you are a metal worker and a wood worker would it be wrong of me to call you a Carpenter?

No becuase you are. You are a homosexual. Yes now get over it.

Carbon, go look up Kinsey. If you think you're not "wrong."

You're not wrong, just ignorant. i don't mean that in a bad way either, you just don't have all the facts and you're making assumptions what you do know. I used to hold the same opinion as you.

"There is no 'bi-sexual' that's just when someone is gay and doesn't want to admit it to themselves."

That is, until I figured out I was just repressing my own bi-sexuality. Maybe a little soul-searching is in order here?

^^close-minded

adj : not ready to receive to new ideas [syn: closed-minded]

It's ok, it's the way of the world I guess.

Sorry kid, that was directed at carbon

something i dont get though- you know how lesbians are suposed to be all butch and attracted to other butch lesbians? well surely if you wanted pussy, you'd want pure girly pussy? because the point is your not attracted to men?

well, at least thats what i tell myself anyway..one of my bi friends was all like 'i think ur fittest out of all our friends'..

but the thing is that im actually more attracted to our straight friends. aaaaaaaaaarrgghhh i dont want to be a lesbian. yet going to an all girls school and all.. you gotta entertain yourselves as there aint much else there.. but when i sober up i always kind of wonder if i was actually drunk in the first place.

its bloody confusing.

do i prefer pussy or dick? dick. though i wouldnt mind a bit of pussy now a- AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH THIS BOARD IS TURNING ME INTO A LESBIAN AND I DONT WANT TO BE A LESBIAN BUTCH OR NO BUTCH

(gay people rock by the way, its just not for me)

(or is it?)

quote:Originally posted by gloria_iwontbesued:

something i dont get though- you know how lesbians are suposed to be all butch and attracted to other butch lesbians? well surely if you wanted pussy, you'd want pure girly pussy? because the point is your not attracted to men?

well, at least thats what i tell myself anyway..one of my bi friends was all like 'i think ur fittest out of all our friends'..

but the thing is that im actually more attracted to our straight friends. aaaaaaaaaarrgghhh i dont want to be a lesbian. yet going to an all girls school and all.. you gotta entertain yourselves as there aint much else there.. but when i sober up i always kind of wonder if i was actually drunk in the first place.

its bloody confusing.

do i prefer pussy or dick? dick. though i wouldnt mind a bit of pussy now a- AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH THIS BOARD IS TURNING ME INTO A LESBIAN AND I DONT WANT TO BE A LESBIAN BUTCH OR NO BUTCH

(gay people rock by the way, its just not for me)

(or is it?)

See how exasperating and confusing things can be when you try to fit labels onto them?

Your a fucking lesbian, just admit it now.

Lesbians going out with wannabe lesbian men lol.

The world just keeps turning.

You BI's are all alike.

Carbon, I don't think you understand the nature of humans. Our natural inclination is to discuss things and try to convince other people that our opinions make more sense because they have more basis in logic. People do this all the time. In fact, it's almost all we do. You're trying to argue that one should be of the opinion that trying to change other people's opinions is wrong. But in arguing this, you're trying to change my opinion that trying to change people's opinions is natural and human. Get it?

Now, about the homo/hetero/bisexual debate, let me spell it out for you (even though I thought I already had. I guess you missed it):

It can hardly be called a matter of opinion. It's WORD DEFINITIONS. That is the center of the issue. How words are defined. Because making up your own definitions and expecting the world to accept and follow them is IRRATIONAL AND STUPID. Now, I do see your point that a homosexual is defined as someone who is attracted to the same sex. This is technically the definition. But common usage suggests that it also implies a person who is not attracted to the opposite sex. If I called myself a heterosexual, I would technically be telling the truth by your definitions. I am attracted to the opposite sex. But I'm also attracted to the same sex, which makes my calling myself heterosexual somewhat misleading. In other words: you can say that a guy is gay because he's fucked around with other men. But you could also call him straight because he's fucked around with women. BOTH ARE EQUALLY ACCURATE! However, common usage suggests that both are equally wrong and the term bisexual should be used. This is a MORE ACCURATE term to describe this man. It's not a matter of opinion. It is simple fact. If you like men and women, bisexual is the best term to use. Homosexual, while kind of correct, ONLY TELLS HALF THE STORY.

I don't know how to make this more clear to you. If you still don't get it, I guess you must be retarded. Even the most ignorant of hicks can understand these simple definitions. Oh yeah, speaking of ignorant hicks, learn how to use the word "your". "Your" means belonging to you. It is a posessive word. "You're" means "you are". It's a contraction.

As a straight guy, I'd have to say that my favorite All-American-Faggot columnist is Dan

Savage, with his *Savage Love* column. He wrote a column about Lesbians & Gays a couple

of years ago.

He was pissed at celebrity Lesbian couples. I

think: Ellen Degenerous was in one & Melissa

Etheridge in the other. I believe both pairs

had a kid.

Both couples pledged eternal love, very much in public & not too long after the unfamous woman in each pair...took off with a man. Savage said he was so pissed of that these women would act so. He said none of his

gay friends picked up & ran off with women.

I don't know about that, lots of so called gay men have wives & chilren. So what

if a *gay* has a wife & chilren? What if she

doesn't know? Does that mean she's not hooked

with a homo? Or is she? How the kids?

quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

As a straight guy, I'd have to say that my favorite All-American-Faggot columnist is Dan

Savage, with his *Savage Love* column. He wrote a column about Lesbians & Gays a couple

of years ago.

He was pissed at celebrity Lesbian couples. I

think: Ellen Degenerous was in one & Melissa

Etheridge in the other. I believe both pairs

had a kid.

Both couples pledged eternal love, very much in public & not too long after the unfamous woman in each pair...took off with a man. Savage said he was so pissed of that these women would act so. He said none of his

gay friends picked up & ran off with women.

I don't know about that, lots of so called gay men have wives & chilren. So what

if a *gay* has a wife & chilren? What if she

doesn't know? Does that mean she's not hooked

with a homo? Or is she? How the kids?

Who are you challenging and what are you trying to say? The answer is that the wife is hooked up with a homo if he is in fact that: homo. If he isn't attracted to women and is living a lie by being married to one, the wife is married to a homosexual. Where's the relevance? Why did you ask a question that you had already stated the answer to?

On a side note, Ellen DeGeneres's former partner Anne Heche (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000162/) can hardly be called "unfamous"

Hey glitter yer starting to sound like Carbon

It's kinda weird with you two. At any time either of you seems to go from polite & very reasonable...to raving-raging-wolverines.

Anyone who forgets that is gonna soon be sorry.

Now you're taking Carbon's viewpoint. That a

a man with chidren & a wife is not BI but a

HOMO???! WTF!

You & CarbonB should hook-up! You could be a couple & enjoy hours of pointless arguing.

quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

Hey glitter yer starting to sound like Carbon

It's kinda weird with you two. At any time either of you seems to go from polite & very reasonable...to raving-raging-wolverines.

Anyone who forgets that is gonna soon be sorry.

Now you're taking Carbon's viewpoint. That a

a man with chidren & a wife is not BI but a

HOMO???! WTF!

You & CarbonB should hook-up! You could be a couple & enjoy hours of pointless arguing.

You specifically stated that the hypothetical man is "gay." Gay and homosexual are the same. Of course he is homosexual if he's gay. A man can have a wife and children, but be faking it. He may have never had any attraction to this woman, as you implied by calling him gay. If he did have an attraction to the woman, or still does, though he has had sexual encounters with men, he is bisexual. It's so bloody simple. What the fuck is wrong with you?

What's wrong with you sweet wolverine? If you

will look more closely, I was refering in part to Savage saying his Gay friends were not BI at all. How could that be? Maybe it's just his circle?

If a guy has a wife & kids but has Gay sex too, how is he neccesarily in denial? Some are that way but why all? First you say things are more grey, then you want stuff to be black & white.

Some people are definitely oriented one way or the other, some are more of a blend & of course some are as unsure as folks get unsure

about any/manythings.

It's funny about the term "faking it".

I mean for all we know? You are attracted to only women, but fake being attracted to men just to not be a complete outcast.

It's really hard to tell. Also for me to hook up with Glitter would be statitory rape.

She is 14 and I am 18 and that is just a mismatched couple since I can't stand being around little girls unless I'm babysitting them.

Glitter seems like she would need a lot of babysitting.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

It's funny about the term "faking it".

I mean for all we know? You are attracted to only women, but fake being attracted to men just to not be a complete outcast.

It's really hard to tell. Also for me to hook up with Glitter would be statitory rape.

She is 14 and I am 18 and that is just a mismatched couple since I can't stand being around little girls unless I'm babysitting them.

Glitter seems like she would need a lot of babysitting.

Omg! Glitter is 14? I'm 14 too

What a coinkidink :P

And that isn't rape, I hooked up with a guy who was 18 this year and he had no problem with it

Haven't you learned that when you get to high school age doesn't matter

You should treat everyone as equals, but w/e ur loss, I bet Glitter would make you a good girlfriend

Moron, under the legal system it's consider rape since I am using persuasion to take advantage of a minor.

I don't know where you from, but here in the States it's called Statitory rape.

Means someone of age can't engage with sex of a minor.

I don't really care if you dated an 18 year old, and I don't care how mature the maturiest 14 year old is, to me 14 year olds are annoying to be around.

Also, I'm not in high school and I don't want to date high schoolers, or middle schoolers.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Moron, under the legal system it's consider rape since I am using persuasion to take advantage of a minor.

I don't know where you from, but here in the States it's called Statitory rape.

Means someone of age can't engage with sex of a minor.

I don't really care if you dated an 18 year old, and I don't care how mature the maturiest 14 year old is, to me 14 year olds are annoying to be around.

Also, I'm not in high school and I don't want to date high schoolers, or middle schoolers.

I didn't have sex, what do you think I am...Stupid?

quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

What's wrong with you sweet wolverine? If you

will look more closely, I was refering in part to Savage saying his Gay friends were not BI at all. How could that be? Maybe it's just his circle?

If a guy has a wife & kids but has Gay sex too, how is he neccesarily in denial? Some are that way but why all? First you say things are more grey, then you want stuff to be black & white.

Some people are definitely oriented one way or the other, some are more of a blend & of course some are as unsure as folks get unsure

about any/manythings.

Seriously, are you retarded? If you are, let me know and I'll stop wasting my time. I never said that a man who has a wife and children, yet also has gay sex is in denial of who he is. The man may be gay, straight, or bi based on the information we have. But because you specified in your post that the man was gay, I was left to assume that you were telling the truth about the man you made up. If he's gay, he's gay. He could have a wife and still be gay. If he's straight, he's straight. He could have gay sex and still be straight. But more likely, the man is bi. My point here is that he could be of any orientation. It doesn't matter what kind of sex he's had because he may not have a genuine attraction to the people he's fucked.

Carbon, if I wanted to be accepted by society, I wouldn't claim to be bisexual. I would just call myself a lesbian. You know why? TO AVOID PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I come across people all the time who tell me that I'm lying about who I am because they're too stupid to understand that some people are different than they are. People respect lesbians for coming out and they accept them for what they are. Bisexuals are never taken seriously. We're always seen as being gay and in denial or as gigantic horny sluts. Would you pick that life? No sane person would

I enjoy being a gigantic horny slut, but I'm not sane.

Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the gay community could easily pinpoint and pick out a bisexual person just on the way they act.

I mean you can call me stupid all you want, I am not going to chage my opinion that Bi-sexual people are just either horny or don't want to admit to being homosexual.

It's fine that you think that's who you are, but you are saying that you wouldn't go through a hard struggle just to come out in the end?

I mean shit if you aren't even going to argue or fight for what you believe in, in real life then what fucking good are you?

I never let someone tell me who they think I am and I always let someone know where I come from and what I represent.

Anyways, come back to me in about 4 - 6 years and tell me if your views are the same.

quote:I didn't have sex, what do you think I am...Stupid?

...too easy.

Why does this topic continue? People tend to not change their views about things such as homosexuality because thats either the way they were raised, or they're too stubborn to admit they were wrong. So basically we should just let this thread die, except to make fun of the wonderful ignorance/stupidity of Aunt Jemima

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quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the gay community could easily pinpoint and pick out a bisexual person just on the way they act.

I mean you can call me stupid all you want, I am not going to chage my opinion that Bi-sexual people are just either horny or don't want to admit to being homosexual.

It's fine that you think that's who you are, but you are saying that you wouldn't go through a hard struggle just to come out in the end?

I mean shit if you aren't even going to argue or fight for what you believe in, in real life then what fucking good are you?

I never let someone tell me who they think I am and I always let someone know where I come from and what I represent.

Anyways, come back to me in about 4 - 6 years and tell me if your views are the same.

I don't know how to respond to that. I really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I'm not fighting for what I believe in because ...I'm bisexual? What the fuck are you talking about? Please rephrase

I'm saying, since you think so highly of being bisexual that you are to afraid to tell people in fear that they'll make fun of you.

Then your even less of a human being then I thought to let someone tell you how to feel.

Someone21special...is your name Melissa by any chance?

If so, I'm tellin Mike

quote:Originally posted by Todesgehen:

...too easy.

Why does this topic continue? People tend to not change their views about things such as homosexuality because thats either the way they were raised, or they're too stubborn to admit they were wrong. So basically we should just let this thread die, except to make fun of the wonderful ignorance/stupidity of Aunt Jemima

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HaHaHaHaHa! Very funny

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the gay community could easily pinpoint and pick out a bisexual person just on the way they act.

I mean you can call me stupid all you want, I am not going to chage my opinion that Bi-sexual people are just either horny or don't want to admit to being homosexual.

It's fine that you think that's who you are, but you are saying that you wouldn't go through a hard struggle just to come out in the end?



Wow, that's funny, I don't know about that first comment, because I have no gaydar what so ever. But that second comment, well I haven't had sex in almost three years now, so I don't think I'm exactly what you would call horny. But if I could come out, and say that I was homosexual I would be thrilled. But as it is, I still like chicks, and I've liked guys since, well I started to accept the fact that I like guys probably two or three years ago. That's almost on the same timeline there, huh? But I really take issue with your "no bi" rules. Go ask a psyciatrist about human sexuality. They will tell you that the majority of the population has bi-sexual tendencies. Now, whether or not the majority chooses to accept this fact is up to them. But that's why we see a lot mysoginy, and abuse in our society, insecurity. It's sad, we live in a world where it's not ok to be a natural human being. But how can you say that bisexuality doesn't exist when it's been proven scientificly? Have you even looked into the subject, or did you just come up with these opinions from you life experience, and at 18 let me tell you, you haven't done shit. When I was 18 I thought I had done a lot more than most 18 year olds. Now that I'm almost two years older, I realize that I hadn't done shit. Just please, before you close the curtains, at least look out the window. See what's going on outside, the real world can be a fun place. It can be scary too, like when you see a guy fucking another guy in the ass, who if eating the pussy of some fat chick.

So if I was a member of NAMBLA; but just one of the little boy members, and I enjoyed taking it in the asshole because I was an inspiring goatse, would I be homosexual(because I like to take it in the ass) or undecided (because I am butt a little member, say 8 years old)

Sick, I know.

Wow you haven't had sex in 3 years? Yet you don't consider yourself horny?

I haven't had sex in probably a year and I am still horny.

It isn't "natural" or being a "human being" to want to have sex with both sexes.

It's not natural it's something that has developed through time and come down through the churches of Rome where little choir boys were forced to perform acts on priests.

All this started because priests had a vowe and couldn't be broken...WITH WOMEN. So little boys became the desires of priests.

Which in turn made people start thinking that it wasn't that bad if priests do it so why don't we do it.

Basically that is what formed homosexuality. This is a rather abstract view and might be wrong.

Anyways I don't care if you claim "bisexuality" it's no concern of mine and neither are the views of "science".

So please STFU!

quote:Originally posted by AllOrNothinEnt:

Someone21special...is your name Melissa by any chance?

If so, I'm tellin Mike

No, it's not.. My name is Sarah

Carbon, I said that it would be easier to be a lesbian. I don't know how that morphed in your mind into me saying that I lie to people and tell them that I'm a lesbian. I'm straight (har har) with people and tell them that I'm bi. I'm just saying that it would be easier to be a lesbian

And I'm saying you have no idea what it would be like to be either lesbian or bi.

What city do you live in again?

No matter how stupid you think I am, I still believe that your limited life experience draws a very thick iron curtain over your eyes.

To remove the curtain you need to remove yourself from the mindset that you know what the "aspect" of being a lesbian is or being BI is.

Ovbiously you have no idea what being a 14 year old girl is, so how can you grasp concepts as complex as these?

The very term 'Sexual Prefference' irritates the hell out ot me. No one has a freakin preferrence, that's stupid. Save for bisexual people. People are chemically attracted to the sex they're attracted to. They have no control over that, people are born the way they're born.

If God, is real, I believe He tried to stress this fact to use lame ass humans, when He made Hermaphrodites. If they're to have sex with either sex, which would they be, gay or straight? You're chemically attracted to what you're attracted to, and people should realize that that's out of our hands.

If you think Hermaphrodites are the creation of god then I have lost all faith in religion.

God created a companion for Adam and it was a women not a man.

I still do not believe that being gay is based on your "chemical balances". Being gay is based on the enviroment you were raised in.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

If you think Hermaphrodites are the creation of god then I have lost all faith in religion.

God created a companion for Adam and it was a women not a man.

I still do not believe that being gay is based on your "chemical balances". Being gay is based on the enviroment you were raised in.



What the fuck? Who the hell did create hermaphrodites then? The trees? The devil? If everything is God's creation, how could there be one exception? Fuck! You just keep getting worse

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

God created a companion for Adam and it was a women not a man.

God didn't create glasses, so does that mean I shouldn't wear them? Because I'd have a fucking hell of a time trying to see with the shitty eyes God granted me.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I still do not believe that being gay is based on your "chemical balances". Being gay is based on the enviroment you were raised in.

So are you saying people shouldn't be raised in environments?

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

If you think Hermaphrodites are the creation of god then I have lost all faith in religion.

Of course they aren't, they exist, unlike God. :\

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

God created a companion for Adam and it was a women not a man.

God didn't create anyone. If there even was a God (which I doubt to a extreme because of my time as a God) then s/he would have not taken the time to create a single world. S/he would just create the universe, and allow it to play out.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I still do not believe that being gay is based on your "chemical balances". Being gay is based on the enviroment you were raised in.

It is a mix of both, most people say. Although I'm sure, of course, God made homosexuals, right?

Introducing god as an actual science is in itself crazy.

God is letting it play out, it's my belief that God created as much as he felt necessary for things to continue without his interruption.

So homosexual were made from man's mistakes and so were the birth deformities that exsist today.

Anyways, I have stated what I believe and Glitter, let me guess your going to call me an idiot huh?

Lol....laughable.

You are an idiot, babe, but it looks like you no longer need me here to tell you about it

It's alright.

Your 14, what the fuck do I care. I am just glad I don't know you personally because then it would be even more enjoyable to laugh in your face.