as some of you may know from a few of the posts ive made on this board, i dont have alot of faith in humanity. i have a pessimistic outlook, and i dont care for being PC. so, in that spirit, i think its time for a tutorial for the younger guys on here, in how to tip the sexual playing field in your favor, in the long run.

i say long run, because straight off the bat the ladies have the advantage most of the time. now, if they come onto you, or start coming on strong, then your in control. anyway, here it is.

in the initial courting process, women are constantly scanning you and seeing if youre good enough for them. this is a genetic trait, because women way back wanted to have the strongest, most brutal man they could find for protection and support. now, it has morphed into different things. your money making potential, dressing in the current style, lack of bodyfat and facial hair, ability to make them laugh, and put up with there inane shit. theres more, but those are the biggies.

personally, i dont do a thing for the ladies. i have a moustache, i dress how i like, i workout for myself and not to get laid, and my earning potential is none of there business. this is an important mindset to have, because women as a whole think that most things guys do, circle around getting laid. so, the first lesson for taking power, is to be more self centered, and unappologeticly so. dont make excuses for your behavoirs, and dont let them fuck with you over it.

forget what TV says. TV knows shit. if you were to try to pick up hints about women from TV, youd think theyd like some wimp whos 'in touch with there feelings.' meanwhile, as you all know, 'assholes' get the ladies. so stop the new age bullshit. be a man, THEY LIKE IT.

ill repeat, dont take any shit. women, sneaky devils they are, use a multi-level attack on you. while theyre trying to figure you out, they are poking around for weaknesses. see what they can get away with. let them get away with nothing. call them on the bullshit, and dont blink. once the game is on, start poking back at them. take a chance on pissing her off, ONCE SHE HAS STARTED FUCKING WITH YOU. then if she starts bitching, point out her stuff. if you run out of patience, leave. no pussy is worth swallowing your pride over to get, even if you intend to just sport fuck her.

never ask her where she wants to go. have a date planned out, and do not deviate. now, this doesnt mean take her to a titty bar. unless you think shed be into it. find some activities you think youd BOTH be interested in, and run with it. even if the places dont suit her taste, if the chemistrys there, shell be back. if not, then it was never meant to be, and nothing couldve saved it. if she starts bitching about a restaurant, tellher to get over it cause thats where we are going. of course, not that harshly. if you just stop in your tracks and change plans cause she starts to whine, you are showing weakness. NEVER SHOW WEAKNESS.

the only exception to the rule is, if shes allergic to shellfish, a seafood restaurant isnt a good place to go. so have a backup just in case. then if she says something, snap, you have an alternative. your taking the lead, and your fast on your feet, in there eyes.

humor is invaluable. not everyone is born funny though. if you fall into the unfunny group, go read a book called 'Comedy Writing Secrets.' and read it often. humors a subtle art, but you can become better with a little practice. knowing the framework allows you to do it yourself.

forget trying to be interesting. most girls dont give a rats ass about world politics, or video games or fighting or other stuff you may be interested in. if, by some chance you do find a girl whos as rabid about things as you are, congrats. the main thing about dates or any other encounter, are be funny, and keep things moving.

tease. double entendres [double meanings]. fuck with her.

if you have your own place, or your parents are away for a few days or whatever, get her back there asap. first thing off if you can. get some chinese, or if your a good cook, cook her a nice meal. nothing heavy. chicken, or small amounts of beef, with plenty of veggies. if shes all full and bloated feeling, you wont be getting any pussy. wine or some other alcohol is nice. if shes willing, smoke some herb. the you can try some touching, like maybe a massage. this will go over real well if shes loosened up.

now, heres the radical part. this is chancey, and it MIGHT backfire. but, if youve played your girl....er cards right, itll work like a charm.

back out of fucking her.

ill give you a second to pick your jaw up off the floor. however it comes off, dont do it. i dont care if your grinding your throbbing cock into her, and shes trying to unzip your pants. dont do it. make an excuse, and get out of there. the trick here is to not say too much. you dont want her to know if it was her, or you. you want to create doubt.

this will blow her fucking mind, and it will every time you pull it on a different chick. in addition to creating self doubt, youll have resisted her only powerbase: sex. youll leave her wondering about why you did it. and since shes worked up, youll leave her wanting more. never discuss why you 'really' did it later on, cause shell prolly ask.

fi you have played your cards right [leading the way, planning out the date, not backing off, not taking shit, teasing her, being funny, and bacially meeting all her challenges] this will lead to a woman who is HOT after you.

call her the day after to let her know you had a good time, keep it short and sweet, and head off there. be out of touch for the next couple days, till tuesday or so, to plan the next date. after all, your a busy man and you cant always get back to ppl right away.

if she balks at the next date, forget her. if she gives you any static, forget her. shes obviously a master game player, and shes trying to re-exert her control. if shes like this now, holy shit the stuff that will be in 3 months, if shes even in your plans that long. cut her out of your life and move on. phone calls stop being returned etc. one game ive found they love to play is to say no to you when you ask, then ask you later on to see if youll jump at it. dont. so if she isnt thrilled to go on another date, forget her. period.

if she says yes, the day before the date, call her to confirm. keep it short. dont just smash her trying to get off the phone, but be on there the least amount of time you can. ask about her week, pretend to give a shit, get off the phone.

this date should be good. pull out the stops. buy grapes to feed her. lots of eye contact. if shes dressed to show off her body, thats a big sign. then take her home and fuck her good. lots of foreplay and teasing. mutual oral sex. lay it on thick.

its at this point, that i usually drop them. maybe another date to fuck them again, maybe not. if shes actually someone i might like thats different. but its very rare i want to keep up this bullshit charade for some chick. by all means, fuck her as often as you can. but start pulling away, and go to another girl.

some tips:

always leave her wanting more.

always be mysterious. give as little detail about yourself as you can without seeming like thats what your doing.

goto the library, and pick up a book called the rules. its a feminist book that tells you how to manipulate men. memorize that motherfucker. learn what to look for,and also, pull some of it on them.

be out of touch as much as possible. you dont want her to know you, you want her to make up this person she thinks you are. you also, on the other hand, dont want to seem like your avoiding her. figuring out this timing trick is best learned from doing it. a good standard is 2 days during the week, next day on the weekends. she calls sunday?call her monday. she calls tuesday? call her thursday.

keep things moving. progress.

im sure the ladies on here will want to castrate me. they will say i dont know what im talking about, or i dont get laid, or some other shit. bottom line: 1. they dont know how to fuck women. they may think they are experts, they arent. remember, women will give you a whole list of things they want in a guy, then fuck some dood who is at best vaugly like anything they said. 2. they dont want you doing it because it will upset there powerbase. they see this is lethal, and they dont want you to try it. in short, any critique of this method from a woman in the negative is shit. as a man, you owe it to yourself to try it out once, forget what they say.

remember this: the sexes have been set up to be grossly unfair in certain circumstances. men are more powerfull etc etc. women are better manipulators. men want sex, women have it. outside the workplace, womens major powerbase is the pussy. they can get what they want with that thing. they dont have to bring anything else to the table for most guys. so if this seems like taking advantage of women, its because it is. get over trying to be fair. its not about being fair, its about winning. its about getting what you want. they have no trouble using what they have to fuck with you, so stop the bullshit and play ball.

Fabulous. You must be a real devil with the ladies.

I suppose all that would be fine if you stick to the not-so-bright chicks with no self-esteem to speak of.

whatd i say? the hate starts already.

all your labels for the girls i do mean nothing. life is a zero sum game, its all about getting what you want.

so go ahead. but what works works, and thats all that matters.

Anyways I read about the first 3 paragraphs and decided that this was utter crap anyways.

I mean the things you had listed for a girl wanting a man is complete bullshit. I mean potential for money? Style? Low bodyfat? No facial hair?

I know girls that adore facial hair, don't care about money. Date guys that wear a wife beater everywear and are fat.

I think you are misunderstanding what women do and how they do it.

You said if they start hitting on you strong then they are yours? Correction my man that is another way for a women to get what she wants.

There is no way for the male species to stop the control of women over the sex game unless we all turned gay.

Even as a gay man I would still have reason to have sex with the most attractive women I saw. Women will always have control over the man genitalia because they have the one thing we want and that is a vagina.

Now if you think any different you are naive. If you think I am lying you are naive. Also if you think that your tips are going to help anyone you are naive.

This is all I have to say and it has been said good day to you all.

well i know girls who like to be pissed on. and your point?

this is about getting power. i dont care what about the girl. is about getting power, and getting laid.

your position that theres nothing guys can do to get power in bed is why we have been eating shit for decades. you keep doing the same things the same way, you get the same result.

I think your just mad becuase you can't force a girl to have sex with you.

It's not about forcing a girl to have sex with you. It's about playing off a girl's personality and insecurities to get her to open up to you.

It's not hard it just takes a little observation and a little well spent time around the girl.

A lot of things affect how quickly you can do it, your looks, your charm, your charisma. These things affect how long it will take for you to get a girl in bed.

Some guys can do it in one night, and I'm not one of them. Some can do it in a month and some to convince say something hard like an uptight virgin might take 9 months, but once they are converted it's like everday baby YEAH!

oh, i get it, im just mad because i cant be a rapist huh? how blind of me to not ever see that!

im saying take control. your saying manipulate. i have a great deal of respect for both. what im saying is take away the power they have, and youll tip the feild in your favor.

if you look at it, what im saying is spin the tables. make them think fucking them isnt high on your list. make them come to you. thats what im saying.

Good one, Mr. NiHiLism!!!!:

I meet your kind-a-guy often. Your strategy never works with me, or any other girl I know.

Did I read it right..."...make them think fucking them isn't high on your list"!!?? OMG, now I know you've lost it!!! Sorry to tell you, but no girl exists (even the "beginners" and ultimately extremely mentally chanllenged ones) who wouldn't know better....especially after they read what you've written here, and see WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH IN YOUR DESPARATION just to get them in bed, and have them go down with you.

You are a man of many colors, I think....but mostly you are a man of many contradictions. But we love your kind-a-guy, because you help us keep our skills "state of the art". Mostly though, we love you because you are so fu__king funny!! (hee hee)!!Love, Venus.

quote:Originally posted by pretty pinay:

Good one, Mr. NiHiLism!!!!:

Your strategy never works with me, or any other girl I know.



i dont think he was talking about fat chicks

pretty pinay a fatass? i wouldnt doubt it.

see all the anger here guys? what i tell you? what i say is lethal.

keep proving the point for me ladies.

Any strategy for dating, or really any over-all strategy to deal with the opposite sex breaks down, if not dissolves completely when you're dealing with intelligent individuals. If I'm ever interested in a quick fuck (which I doubt), then this advice is exactly what I've seen a dozen other places in terms of how to go about doing it.

The problem is, I don't want anything to do with some insipid slut who'd put out on a second date.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

pretty pinay a fatass? i wouldnt doubt it.

Miss Pretty is not a fatass, and I respect her opinion, but this time I must disagree with her. I don't agree with everything in the original post and it takes some skill to do it correctly, but the basic ideas can work on anyone. No one likes to think they are susceptible to those tactics in some circumstances, but if you are human, you are. Even me.

As for the “not wanting to sleep with her” attitude, I agree that your strategy goes too far for most circumstances. Normally, you want to portray the “I find you attractive, but I am not going out of my way for you because there are so many options” attitude. Running out on a sure thing is just weird, but there are exceptions.

There are other things in your post I would modify for real world applications, but the basic strategy is the same.

One big difference is the philosophy behind it. I see it as “pacing” the relationship and assigning value to your efforts as opposed to going 0-100 in 2 seconds and giving everything for free and allowing her to pick and choose what she wants to take without making any effort or commitment herself. This leads to a balanced and healthy relationship, IMO. Kinda along the same lines of “who wants to buy the cow if you give away the milk for free” for guys. You seem to want to have a malicious attitude toward women and that will hurt your results in the end. The only time I would take that approach is as a counter attack to malicious games instigated by her.

Good post, EasyGoing. I don't doubt that NiHiLism's theory could sometimes work, if templered and modified with the good attitude, practicality and sweetness you show in your post. It's his AWFUL ATTITUDE that is the KILLER. Love from [Definitely Not A FatAss], Venus].



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You're plan is a good one, assuming you're with a girl who hasn't A. figured it out, B. had it used on her before, or C. any intuition. Which leaves you with about .25% of the female population.

Honestly, bullshit like that is so easy to see through. SO easy. If your plan does 'succeed' and you do get her in bed, chances are great that she knows exactly what you are doing, and for whatever reason, doesn't care.

Then who has the power???

All I got to say is when I read I don't think he is talking about Fat chicks I practically shat myself.

She is probably mad that it works on her all the time.

And she has been fucked over numerous times.

quote:Originally posted by pretty pinay:

Good post, EasyGoing. I don't doubt that NiHiLism's theory could sometimes work, if templered and modified with the good attitude, practicality and sweetness you show in your post. It's his AWFUL ATTITUDE that is the KILLER. Love from [Definitely Not A FatAss], Venus].



[This message has been edited by pretty pinay (edited 04-28-2004).]

except heres the thing you little shit, the "attitude" doesnt matter. the bluntness makes you angry here, but it doesnt face to face. why? well i see girls pretend to be offended at the shit i say all the time, but i know when i have my in. when i see the eyes roll and then come up into mine with a little smirk on her face, its over. why? because i might say whatever i want, but i still have deep blue eyes, a charming smile and a cute little smirk that hooks them. that right there, along with the facial expressions, tone and unwavering attitude gets them going.

now i dont agree with dropping a sure thing. my style is not to turn down sex, but rather not jump at the chance of sex. if shes taking my pants off, im all for it. if shes flirting and expecting me to go "too far" so she can back me off, wont happen. i dont put out the message that i dont want their pussy, i put out the message that i dont need their pussy. why? because thats the truth.

the guy did call it though. look at all the stuck up cunts acting like they are the most brilliant things to every spread their legs like a whore. sorry, it doesnt matter how smart a girl is, they dont think anyway. its all about how they feel and i can make a girl feel. young, old, professional women, ivy league grads, it doesnt matter. have some balls, have some looks and have a style that makes them horny and its done.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

All I got to say is when I read I don't think he is talking about Fat chicks I practically shat myself.

She is probably mad that it works on her all the time.

And she has been fucked over numerous times.

not very intuitive, are ya?

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

except heres the thing you little shit, the "attitude" doesnt matter.

*slaps mrman for the “little shit” comment*

The attitude does matter. If you are genuinely mad about the fairness of the situation, then you will give off an insecure vibe. Depending on your skill, more or fewer girls will pick up on it, but it will be there. With some skill, this may be successful short term with enough girls, but like I said, ultimately your contempt of women will hurt your results in the end.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

the guy did call it though. look at all the stuck up cunts acting like they are the most brilliant things to every spread their legs like a whore. sorry, it doesnt matter how smart a girl is, they dont think anyway. its all about how they feel and i can make a girl feel. young, old, professional women, ivy league grads, it doesnt matter. have some balls, have some looks and have a style that makes them horny and its done.

If you can have some balls, make them feel whatever, AND not be a pussy who is whining on the inside that it’s not fair and thinking “I hate you because blah blah blah” then it will work like it is supposed to. If the only way you can avoid being a pussy is by being a complete dick, then you are just masking insecurity, and it is just a matter of time before you are discovered.

Being confident and having the ability to assert yourself and to make girls feel how they want to feel is in no way inherently linked to being an asshole. In fact, being an asshole is the crudest most transparent way to try to do that.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

*slaps mrman for the “little shit” comment*

The attitude does matter. If you are genuinely mad about the fairness of the situation, then you will give off an insecure vibe. Depending on your skill, more or fewer girls will pick up on it, but it will be there. With some skill, this may be successful short term with enough girls, but like I said, ultimately your contempt of women will hurt your results in the end.



except thats not attitude. attitude is an outward expression, not a deeper meaning or explaination. im an asshole because its funny, not because i hate women.

there is no insecurity in me about the way things are. they arent fair, but life isnt. i do not like it, so i wish to change it. thats as far as it goes there.

and your hostility theory doesnt work, unless you made it known whats it is and who its pointed at. a major tenant of this whole thing is deception, i say as much in my final tips. as a matter of fact, it can only help. maybe add a little more edginess to your demeanor.

i go into great detail, because its needed. the why behind everything is what this accomplishes. of course, just like most gameplans, youll need to do tweaking, and what i typed isnt perfect.

'what if shes knows what your doing, and just goes along with it.' fine with me. as long as the end is the same i dont care what she knows.

pretty pinay totally gave it away here folks. she said i was dumb and full of shit etc etc. then she goes right around and contradicts herself by saying that it WOULD work, if i did it sweetly. LMFAO its clear that I cant be right, no matter how right i am, in her eyes. and i called it straight off. so guys, theres the proof in the pudding. if the best arguement is somantics or grammer, you have won.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

except thats not attitude. attitude is an outward expression, not a deeper meaning or explaination. im an asshole because its funny, not because i hate women.

First, the inner attitude does get communicated in some way under normal circumstances. There are exceptions, but not as many as you would think.

Second, Miss Pretty was responding to someone who is a dick because he is insecure. Just read the first post. If you are different, then that is a different topic. I guess I would have to get to know you in person to see if you are funny or not, and I don't plan on doing that. However, I did not find your asshole comments in this thread to be funny. If you think that just getting people mad at you is funny in and of itself, then congratulations on mastering the most basic and useless manipulation skill there is. Maybe you should now work on triggering a different response in people.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

However, I did not find your asshole comments in this thread to be funny. If you think that just getting people mad at you is funny in and of itself, then congratulations on mastering the most basic and useless manipulation skill there is. Maybe you should now work on triggering a different response in people.

i dont care what you find funny, i care what i find funny. im more than ok with myself and like-minded others laughing because you dont get a joke. hell, that makes it even more funny sometimes.

and obviously ive mastered other manipulation skills, thus the topic of this thread. the fact of the matter is, guys are not out there getting fucked quickly, cleanly and repeatedly by being sweet and genuinely caring. you can argue that having sex in a way worth having goes against the very principle of being sweet and genuinely caring, fine. but the fact remains. want to get your dick wet without a waiting period, without having to use the same boring spank rag and without relying on the shitty odds of luck? gonna to have to have a little game.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

there is no insecurity in me about the way things are. they arent fair, but life isnt. i do not like it, so i wish to change it. thats as far as it goes there.



What does “fair” mean anyway? What should happen? Should hot girls be required to sleep with you? It is only not fair because you think it is not fair. I personally think guys have it better, and in my world, we do. In a lot of ways your perception creates your reality.

I have read a few of your posts and you have to be one of the most insecure guys here. You think girls hold all the cards. The only thing that gives them all the cards is you thinking that. There is no magic. There are just people with free will.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

pretty pinay totally gave it away here folks. she said i was dumb and full of shit etc etc. then she goes right around and contradicts herself by saying that it WOULD work, if i did it sweetly. LMFAO its clear that I cant be right, no matter how right i am, in her eyes. and i called it straight off. so guys, theres the proof in the pudding. if the best arguement is somantics or grammer, you have won.

I have read her post a few times, and I think her main point is that it won’t work for you. (And that it needs to be modified considerably.) I missed that at first, and I could be wrong, but that is my take on it now. I am sure a woman like Miss Pretty can spot a bitter man a mile away, and you are so bitter that even I can spot it. You need to first let go of the idea that girls are taking advantage of you and that things are unfair. The main idea behind the “hard to get” games for men is to compensate for them being far too easy to get and losing respect. It does not have to go overboard to being an asshole, or blaming women for past power imbalances that you created yourself by being such a little bitch.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

but the fact remains. want to get your dick wet without a waiting period, without having to use the same boring spank rag and without relying on the shitty odds of luck? gonna to have to have a little game.

I totally agree.

But I don't agree that that game has be exactly what nihilist posted. I came out and said the basic stategy is the same, but the specifics and his motivation was the problem.

I have supported games and seductions tactics numerous times here. But there is a right and wrong way to do it.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

I totally agree.

But I don't agree that that game has be exactly what nihilist posted. I came out and said the basic stategy is the same, but the specifics and his motivation was the problem.

I have supported games and seductions tactics numerous times here. But there is a right and wrong way to do it.

no, heres what you did. you agreed with what he said, then cried because the typed version, with frank explaination hurt your timid little pee pee. this is like judging someones acting skill by reading a script. eventually you might age, hike up your skirt and be able to handle a blunt statement without actually being naive enough to think a person cannot type a tactless message on the internet yet have a warm charm in a personal, intimate setting.

we could sit here and argue my self esteem all night. you dont know me, so at best your taking a shot in the dark. think what you want.

im a bitch huh? well listen dumbfuck: the paradigm of women and men are men are the pursuers, and women choose who to fuck and who not to. by starting the chase, a man has already said what he wants.

so let me know how im wrong, and how things arent inequal. like i said, im past wanting the world to be fair, but im trying to modify my world to how i like it. period.

and yes, things are great for men, paticularly white men. we do have more advantages than women. but just because thats true, doesnt mean i should let something else that can so easily be changed stya the way it is.

realizing that world isnt fair goes both ways. if you didnt have this big thing against taking advantage of ppl to get what you want, youd understand this.

being fair in an unfair world gets you fucked over. life is a zero sum game, and its all about who wins.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

...being fair in an unfair world gets you fucked over. life is a zero sum game, and its all about who wins.

Is there a winner in a zero sum game? If there is, it would be THE JEWS!

hmm, after reviewing your posting spree of the past couple of days in all the forums, looks like you're far more interesting than I originally thought.

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(erm, note to regulars: this is not to be taken seriously.)

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

no, heres what you did. you agreed with what he said, then cried because the typed version, with frank explaination hurt your timid little pee pee.

dude, do you ever read these forums or do you just post. i am the one that types explanations of how to do this all the time. you are an idiot.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

Originally posted by mrman383:

no, heres what you did. you agreed with what he said, then cried because the typed version, with frank explaination hurt your timid little pee pee.

dude, do you ever read these forums or do you just post. i am the one that types explanations of how to do this all the time. you are an idiot.



what does that have to do with him typing his version of his theory? i mean unless you typed it for him, i dont see your point.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:



im a bitch huh?

yes, the power imbalances are not inherent. if there are so many imbalances in your life, it is because you give it away like a little bitch. being the hunter does not make you weaker.

your focusing on the "unfairness" and your precieve lot in life is insecurity.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

what does that have to do with him typing his version of his theory? i mean unless you typed it for him, i dont see your point.

My point is that I do not have a problem seeing a game in print. I have a problem with what he wrote.

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quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

My point is that I do not have a problem seeing a game in print. I have a problem with what he wrote.

[This message has been edited by Easy Going (edited 04-29-2004).]

which has nothing to do with what you quoted from me. what i said was that you saw a printed description, you did not witness this in action. yet you make a judgement about how he supposedly acts and his conveyed attitude... such things youve never seen. therefore, you got pissypants over your imaginative view of how he must come off to a female target.

No, I got "pissy" over the ideas he talked about. He did not just say that you make all the calls. He said life was unfair. He said girls had all the advantages and it was not worth talking to them about it. He said there was no possibility of a good relationship ever. I can disagree with this, call him on his insecurity, and still agree that seduction works when someone has the proper attitude.

[This message has been edited by Easy Going (edited 04-29-2004).]

so what is wrong with what i wrote, other than i phrased it in a way you and others didnt care for? im being totally serious here. because, all im seeing are ppl who dont like my not censoring what i think.

seriously, if i had wrapped it in different language, would it have made that much of a difference? cause other than the flames and potshots, thats what im getting as the major problem with what i wrote.

If is not just "phrasing". You really think things are unfair, and that creates problems. You really believe that there are no happy endings in relationships, so you must just get laid. You really believe life is 0-sum.

Life is not always 0-sum. Two people can win together. Girls don't have an inherent advantage. What you perceive as that advantage is something you gave them. Some of the tactics you gave can be used to correct that problem, but with the wrong attitude it won't be as effective, and with the wrong philosophy you will lose in the end.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

No, I got "pissy" over the ideas he talked about. He did not just say that you make all the calls. He said life was unfair. He said girls had all the advantages and it was not worth talking to them about it. He said there was no possibility of a good relationship ever. I can disagree with this, call him on his insecurity, and still agree that seduction works when someone has the proper attitude.

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1. life is unfair. this topic isnt even up for serious discussion.

2. i never said it was impossible, i implied it was very unlikely.

3. talking to them about what? you think talkings going to do a thing here? fuck talking, start doing.

4. yes you can disagree.

5. im not even attempting to validate my self esteem to you. youve made up your mind.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

If is not just "phrasing". You really think things are unfair, and that creates problems. You really believe that there are no happy endings in relationships, so you must just get laid. You really believe life is 0-sum.

Life is not always 0-sum. Two people can win together. Girls don't have an inherent advantage. What you perceive as that advantage is something you gave them. Some of the tactics you gave can be used to correct that problem, but with the wrong attitude it won't be as effective, and with the wrong philosophy you will lose in the end.

um life is unfair. thats just logical. there is no such a thing as a level playing field in life, science dictates that there cannot be. we all have different genetics, different raising and different environments. theres no harm in realizing that truth.

women do have an advantage with sex. simple supply and demand. there is more demand from guys to fuck women than there is supply of pussy. simple put: guys want more sex than they are getting from women. thus, women have leverage in setting the price for sex and deciding where to dispense the product. again, not something anyone did to anyone, simply biological. our differing horomones give us different sex drives.

this really is all too funy, man it's this kind mentality that proves beyond a doubt that men still don't have any power over women. Shit all that work he talks about all the mind games, you know what it's all a waste of energy time and brain power, all that bs just for sex. You know what I DON'T play the game EVER and i have had plenty of sex without having to play some retarded game of Mr. Mysterious. I am just me, the weird, gun-toting wacky fucker as always and if a girl can't handle my personality oh well only a million others out there. He loses the battle by playing the game, they set the rules and he just hops and jumps when they tell him to. I don't play there retarded games it's what seperates the desperate fools from the smart guys who see the whole cocnept as a waste of their time. Your blind if you can't see how by describing your technique for sex you fall into their game and theirpower. Wanna get a girl, a REAL girl not a fake who plays games and isn't worth talkign to. Be yourself and one will show up who is worth hanging out with, why waste your time on someone you don't want for anything but sex.

[This message has been edited by ChaosMachine (edited 04-29-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by ChaosMachine:

this really is all too funy, man it's this kind mentality that proves beyond a doubt that men still don't have any power over women. Shit all that work he talsk about all the mind games, you know what it's all a waste of energy time and brain power, all that bs just for sex. You know what I DON'T play the game EVER and i have had plenty of sex without having to play some retarded game of Mr. Mysterious. I am just me, the weird, gun-toting wacky fucker as always and if a girl can't ahdnle my personality oh well only a million others out there. He loses the battle by playing the game, they set the rules and he just hops and jumps when they tell him to. I don't play there retarded games it's what seperates the desperate fools from the smart guys who see the whole cocnept as a waste of their time. Your blind if you can't see how by describing your technique for sex you fall into their game and theirpower. Wanna get a girl, a REAL girl not a fake who plays games and isn't worth talkign to. Be yourself and one will show up who is worth hanging out with, why waste your time on someone you don't want for anything but sex.

so your strategy for having regular sex with new pussy is to wait until one shows up? k. tell me how that ones going in 3 months.

Reading comprehension must not be required by the women you're after. By saying show up, i was referring to meeting a girl through common everyday interactions with the opposite sex that most of us have. Therein you come across a woman who is worthy of talking to and giving your time and energy, not just fucking a few times and being a coward and not returning phone calls to avoid talking with the girl you just fucked and forgot.

quote:Originally posted by ChaosMachine:

Reading comprehension must not be required by the women you're after. By saying show up, i was referring to meeting a girl through common everyday interactions with the opposite sex that most of us have. Therein you come across a woman who is worthy of talking to and giving your time and energy, not just fucking a few times and being a coward and not returning phone calls to avoid talking with the girl you just fucked and forgot.

yea, which is what i just said. like i said, thats your strategy for regularly fucking new pussy. see, heres the point genius: you didnt do anything but change the goal into something you desire. which, ive got to say, really makes me give a fuck. thats like you asking how to get to new york city and i give you directions to miami because i like miami better than nyc. so yea, sorry if i think your little idea there sucks. i like sex, i like exciting sex and i like to have it regularly. youre theory has a slim to none chance at accomplishing that.

im not in it for a relationship, im in it for sex. youre again wrong.

I wasn't trying to help you fuck more random women. I wasn't thinking from the manwhore perspective. Ok in the sense you are correct it wouldn't help you fuck lots of different slutty girls and possibly some ones that are worth more then a hole to fuck. I was trying to express the way you find a girl worth messing around with on a regular bassis. Not to put down your life's ambitions or anything. cause we know how much it would suck to be stuck to just one girl for more then a week.

quote:Originally posted by ChaosMachine:

I wasn't trying to help you fuck more random women. I wasn't thinking from the manwhore perspective. Ok in the sense you are correct it wouldn't help you fuck lots of different slutty girls and possibly some ones that are worth more then a hole to fuck. I was trying to express the way you find a girl worth messing around with on a regular bassis. Not to put down your life's ambitions or anything. cause we know how much it would suck to be stuck to just one girl for more then a week.

again, i really give two shits about what you want in life. i dont meet girls i like. im not going to stop having sex because of that. therefore, no go to your plan. you may now return to fearing free sex.

your missing my point, and it's not worth my effort to pound it in your head.

quote:Originally posted by ChaosMachine:

your missing my point, and it's not worth my effort to pound it in your head.

no im not. your point is to convince me to live life the way you want. i dont want your stupid waiting game. i know how i feel about the girls i meet. i dont need to sit around with my thumb up my ass until some freak of nature comes along and isnt a dull worthless internal organ. the end.

When guys start out in their life as a sexual person, they are very often idiots. They want to get to the end so badly, they jump steps all the time and offer way too much.

Here is an analogy: Someone goes to buy are car. They see it, and they just love it. It is the best car, perfect color, they really want it so bad…then the car salesman finishes his speal, and before he can get down to brass tax, the over eager buyer says, “I’LL TAKE IT!!” Of course he pays full sticker price plus full price for all the options, no rebate, and no discounted interest rate. Did the car salesman take advantage of him? Yeah, but not the way this dude is going to think when he finds out how much his neighbor paid for the same car. The salesman took advantage of him because this idiot gave him advantage over him. No one makes you give away the farm right away, but who would not take it if offered?

Now what is the solution? Saying all salesmen are crooks? Going there and being rude and demanding 50% off? Do you think that works? Some people actually act that way because they were taken advantage of in the past, they are insecure because they know how they get when they are buying something, they heard about “negotiations” but they don’t really know how it works, and they think this will solve their problems.

Others learn how the game is played. They realize that salesmen are people too. No one has an inherent advantage. The playing field is not unfair. They learn the art of negotiation and get a fair price or even better. They also are respected by the people they do business with. They don’t have to be mean to be firm. They are not unrealistic in what they ask for. They don’t lay all their cards on the table right away. They don’t hate the people they do business with.

Then there are some that still offer sticker price after they hear about “negotiations.” They don’t like to play games. Games are unfair because the outcome is not always the same. They hold their beliefs on the pretext honesty or personality, but in reality they are insecure about their ability to match wits with the salesman. They know about negations, but not how to do it.

Avoiding the game or overplaying are both rooted in fear. Someone who shouts and makes unreasonable demands in the name of negotiations does not fool anyone. They are just as insecure as the person who just pays full price up front.

Is the system unfair? No. It is just capitalism. You have the same chance as everyone, and you fail on your own merit.

Guys who give girls everything, give them the advantage. Girls may take it when offered, but why blame them? Blame yourself. Some guys correct the situation by learning how to “negotiate” properly, and some just get bitter and turn into stupid assholes.

What is wrong with complaining about how it is unfair that girls have the advantage? First of all, they don’t unless you give it to them. Just the thought in your head that they have the advantage gives it to them. Second, you create hostility where there should not be any. You blame women for taking advantage and you are jealous of them, but what do you expect? If a guy is willing to do something for free, why would she “pay” for it? Would a salesman say, “I am so glad you are offering full price, but we usually sell for 3K lower so you should negotiate with me.”? How about would he just give you the car because you don’t know how to negotiate? How about just not take your money and send you on your way? All these are ridiculous, but that is exactly what you expect of women after you fuck up the situation by giving them all the power as soon as you see how big their tits are. They cannot take this power from you. You have to give it to them.

Any strategy based on the idea that you are compensating for an inherent power differential is flawed, and will eventually fail because of that. The key to real confidence it to see things as they really are and learn how to take the appropriate action to keep things balanced and to find win win scenarios. If you assume the women have an inherent advantage, you will give them an advantage, and you may delay the effects with a game for a moment, but eventually they will realize that advantage and you will have created even more problems.



[This message has been edited by Easy Going (edited 04-29-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

When guys start out in their life as a sexual person, they are very often idiots. They want to get to the end so badly, they jump steps all the time and offer way too much.

Here is an analogy: Someone goes to buy are car. They see it, and they just love it. It is the best car, perfect color, they really want it so bad…then the car salesman finishes his speal, and before he can get down to brass tax, the over eager buyer says, “I’LL TAKE IT!!” Of course he pays full sticker price plus full price for all the options, no rebate, and no discounted interest rate. Did the car salesman take advantage of him? Yeah, but not the way this dude is going to think when he finds out how much his neighbor paid for the same car. The salesman took advantage of him because this idiot gave him advantage over him. No one makes you give away the farm right away, but who would not take it if offered?

Now what is the solution? Saying all salesmen are crooks? Going there and being rude and demanding 50% off? Do you think that works? Some people actually act that way because they were taken advantage of in the past, they are insecure because they know how they get when they are buying something, they heard about “negotiations” but they don’t really know how it works, and they think this will solve their problems.

Others learn how the game is played. They realize that salesmen are people too. No one has an inherent advantage. The playing field is not unfair. They learn the art of negotiation and get a fair price or even better. They also are respected by the people they do business with. They don’t have to be mean to be firm. They are not unrealistic in what they ask for. They don’t lay all their cards on the table right away. They don’t hate the people they do business with.

Then there are some that still offer sticker price after they hear about “negotiations.” They don’t like to play games. Games are unfair because the outcome is not always the same. They hold their beliefs on the pretext honesty or personality, but in reality they are insecure about their ability to match wits with the salesman. They know about negations, but not how to do it.

Avoiding the game or overplaying are both rooted in fear. Someone who shouts and makes unreasonable demands in the name of negotiations does not fool anyone. They are just as insecure as the person who just pays full price up front.

Is the system unfair? No. It is just capitalism. You have the same chance as everyone, and you fail on your own merit.

Guys who give girls everything, give them the advantage. Girls may take it when offered, but why blame them? Blame yourself. Some guys correct the situation by learning how to “negotiate” properly, and some just get bitter and turn into stupid assholes.

What is wrong with complaining about how it is unfair that girls have the advantage? First of all, they don’t unless you give it to them. Just the thought in your head that they have the advantage gives it to them. Second, you create hostility where there should not be any. You blame women for taking advantage and you are jealous of them, but what do you expect? If a guy is willing to do something for free, why would she “pay” for it? Would a salesman say, “I am so glad you are offering full price, but we usually sell for 3K lower so you should negotiate with me.”? How about would he just give you the car because you don’t know how to negotiate? How about just not take you money and send you on your way? All these are ridiculous, but that is exactly what you expect of women after you fuck up the situation by giving them all the power as soon as you see how big their tits are. They cannot take this power from you. You have to give it to them.

Any strategy based on the idea that you are compensating for an inherent power differential is flawed, and will eventually fail because of that. The key to real confidence it to see things as they really are and learn how to take the appropriate action to keep things balanced and to find win win scenarios. If you assume the women have an inherent advantage, you will give them an advantage, and you may delay the effects with a game for a moment, but eventually they will realize that advantage and you will have created even more problems.

everything youve just said is stupid. why? because the analogy sucks. this isnt about negotiation of price dipshit. its about supply and demand. you are assuming women are going around selling pussy or even making it available. if giving away the farm bought pussy, guys wouldnt really care.

i also like how you didnt even touch the differences in education, intelligence, health, looks or anything like that. after all, an intelligent, good looking man picked himself up off that even playing field and made himself that way. the slightly retarded boy who forgets things ever since the car accident was really just too lazy to do likewise.

There is the difference that the guy who pays full price goes home with the car. That is only because guys try to pay for pussy up front. They carry her books or buy her dinner or whatever. If you just handed a salesman cash for free with no contract, do you think you would get a car? NO

The analogy works for my purpose, and if you don't get it, it is because you don't want to.

BTW, price is a function of supply and demand.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:



BTW, price is a function of supply and demand.

which is independent of negotiation skills and out of the buyers control. the simple fact is women are not superior negotiators because they are born with a pussy. they do however, limit supply of a product in high demand because they have much lower sex drives than men.

what works works. you can preach morality, but as long as im getting laid with regularity, its falling on deaf ears. and i am.

you have a different view on things than i. your all about the relationship, im all about sport fucking.

dont tell me what i am about. i fuck around and play games all the time. it is EASIER to play a game when you can see the board for what it is. of course you get laid. everyone does. that does not mean you know what you are doing.

sure mr orville wright, you can make this plane fly, but it doesnt mean you know what youre doing.

haha.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

which is independent of negotiation skills and out of the buyers control. the simple fact is women are not superior negotiators because they are born with a pussy. they do however, limit supply of a product in high demand because they have much lower sex drives than men.

Price on a car is set by the negotiation. What are you talking about? The negotiation in a relationship is different, but still analogous. You give and take as the relationship progresses, be it weeks or hours. You don’t just give and then wonder where the power went.

Women want sex as much as men…it is just not as urgent. I believe the guy in the Tao of Steve said they want sex 15 min after we do, and then Miss Pretty posted that women are more patient in response to a previous nihilistic thread. Just delay your desire a bit and you will equalize. You have to give them the advantage for them to get it. Women would give you the advantage if they came up to you and said “I need love” or “I need security” or whatever. They are not idiots and there is no reason for you to be either.

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

sure mr orville wright, you can make this plane fly, but it doesnt mean you know what youre doing.

haha.

I'm sorry, anyone who has ever scored should be consider the wright brothers of seduction?

im sorry, do you think you are qualified enough to guess how many chicks i can pull?

Im fairly new to the dating game and am realizing through personal experiences that the tables can be turned, stakes raised, and cheating very possible. Nihil is very right and I would classify his thoery under my "disposable pussy law". Insecurity is not an issue when discussing this because EVERYBODY! is insecure about something and when exploited by someone who's purpose is to hone in on them, the subject becomes very vulnerable to manipulation. Very few are able to assertain the role of the "chameleon" a.k.a "The Liar" for requisitional reasons. (A wolf in sheeps clothing if you will). Experts of this practice are sociopaths of a high degree, not dangerous unless provoked, and are more than likely unofficialy educated in the art of courtship. I must say that nhils post is somewhat accurate and well written for procedure purposes assuming that the reader has established the correct mindset.

For the potentials: If you (the reader is planning on using this method on your dream girl) this is NOT for you. You must be willing to give her up when playing. I also highly doubt she is the most beautiful girl in the world. Let alone your township. Good luck and have fun!

quote:Originally posted by Nihilism:

im sorry, do you think you are qualified enough to guess how many chicks i can pull?

no, i did not say i could. pulling a lot of chicks does not make you right though. i did not say you could not have short term success with your approach. i said with skill you would have enough short term success with enough women. however, that does not make you right that girls have the advantage or that you couldn't do better with a better outlook.

quote:Originally posted by Kaijec Torsf:

Im fairly new to the dating game and am realizing through personal experiences that the tables can be turned, stakes raised, and cheating very possible. Nihil is very right and I would classify his thoery under my "disposable pussy law". Insecurity is not an issue when discussing this because EVERYBODY! is insecure about something and when exploited by someone who's purpose is to hone in on them, the subject becomes very vulnerable to manipulation. Very few are able to assertain the role of the "chameleon" a.k.a "The Liar" for requisitional reasons. (A wolf in sheeps clothing if you will). Experts of this practice are sociopaths of a high degree, not dangerous unless provoked, and are more than likely unofficialy educated in the art of courtship. I must say that nhils post is somewhat accurate and well written for procedure purposes assuming that the reader has established the correct mindset.

For the potentials: If you (the reader is planning on using this method on your dream girl) this is NOT for you. You must be willing to give her up when playing. I also highly doubt she is the most beautiful girl in the world. Let alone your township. Good luck and have fun!

Very interesting post, but you are missing the most important thing. The mindset of the writer is key here because it can be fatal. We don't need to adjust to him. If you want tactics, go to the seduction archive.

BTW, just because everyone is insecure at some level, that does not mean we base are actions on it. That is what nihilist is doing, and women can sense that.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

Very interesting post, but you are missing the most important thing. The mindset of the writer is key here because it can be fatal. We don't need to adjust to him. If you want tactics, go to the seduction archive.

BTW, just because everyone is insecure at some level, that does not mean we base are actions on it. That is what nihilist is doing, and women can sense that.[/B]

It depends how well the game is played between partners. Perception of both parties is at this point "fiction". Women sense what men want them to and vice versa. Now, to pursue a relationship the perceptual illusions must become real or failure will become the end result.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:



Very interesting post, but you are missing the most important thing. The mindset of the writer is key here because it can be fatal. We don't need to adjust to him. If you want tactics, go to the seduction archive.

BTW, just because everyone is insecure at some level, that does not mean we base are actions on it. That is what nihilist is doing, and women can sense that.



nihilist sees that someone has an advantage over him. so nihilist finds a way around it. nihilist gets what he wants. as you said, im a big beleiver in life being a zero sum game.

quote:Originally posted by pretty pinay:

Good one, Mr. NiHiLism!!!!:

I meet your kind-a-guy often. Your strategy never works with me, or any other girl I know.



Nihilism is EXACTLY RIGHT. Fuck bitches. The sluts on this board just want to undermine the truth, because subconciously they know this is what works IN REAL LIFE, and feel threatened by it. Its sad, but bitches are so illogical, they refuse to admit what is blatantly true, just to convince themselves as much as others. Sad, but you idiots cannot look beyond your superfical lifestyles with any sort of objectivity. Why? Well, because you're stupid. Sorry.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

All I got to say is when I read I don't think he is talking about Fat chicks I practically shat myself.

She is probably mad that it works on her all the time.

And she has been fucked over numerous times.

haha yeah pretty pinay, the same person who was posting about how you can get your virginity back mentally every time you have sex or some bullshit like that clearly just to justify the fact that she is a huge hypocritical hoebag

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

yes, the power imbalances are not inherent. if there are so many imbalances in your life, it is because you give it away like a little bitch. being the hunter does not make you weaker.

your focusing on the "unfairness" and your precieve lot in life is insecurity.

Unfortunately, your emotional appeals and logical fallasies do little to prove your point, which is why nihilism wins hands down. Because he is actually using logic and reason, unlike you.

My playing of the game is somewhere between Easy Going's and Nihilism's respective playing styles...that is, when I choose to play the game. A lot of the time I don't mind being nice to stupid women or anything like that...doesn't take away from my time as I spend most of it sitting on my ass doing nothing anyways. If I want to fuck though, I can fuck, you know why? Because I balance the empathy and heartlessness. Too much of either one creates a weakness which can be exploited. Never give the woman an advantage, and never try to force one; only take an advantage that they GIVE you. I don't manipulate to discover weaknesses, I let them arise and then attack.

quote:Originally posted by Player1:

Nihilism is EXACTLY RIGHT. Fuck bitches. The sluts on this board just want to undermine the truth, because subconciously they know this is what works IN REAL LIFE, and feel threatened by it. Its sad, but bitches are so illogical, they refuse to admit what is blatantly true, just to convince themselves as much as others. Sad, but you idiots cannot look beyond your superfical lifestyles with any sort of objectivity. Why? Well, because you're stupid.

If by "sluts" and "bitches" and "idiots" you mean yourself and those like you, then what you say makes some sense, bitch.

quote:Originally posted by Player1:

Sorry.

You're a pussy.



This has officially become an unproductive thread suitable for B&M. I'm sure it will become far more interesting there.

And nihilism/mrman, I'll say it again: pick one account and stick to it.

[This message has been edited by deadlycindy (edited 04-29-2004).]