I've been pondering this for about three years now, why are some humans homosexual? Yes, we are of the animal kingdom, and basically the whole purpose of life is to reproduce and continue life. But, if someone is homosexual, they can't procreate, therefore, technically have no use on earth. So then why are there homosexuals? Is it a chemical imbalance in the brain? A mutation of some sort? Or do they actually choose to be homosexual? Strange...

If you're willing to do a little research, there's tons of info in regards to every segment of sexuality, right here at your fingertips (internet).

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If I felt like doing research, I would've done it. I just posted here to get people's opinions. =]

If indeed it is a natural thing...I think its biologically a mutation. Maybe just a minor change in their chemical balances. Maybe we all have a homosexual part of the brain and theirs is more active/enlarged.

But you make a good point. Homos have no purpose in this world from a biological standpoint. Basically, all creatures are intended to live to have kids. (Women make this hard for some...). When you get down to it, all this emotional shit is just a result of higher intelligence.

I'm getting off topic. Oh yeah, homosexuals should be turned into food. One set of homos could feed 30 starving 3rd world country children. I'm not entirely serious, so don't worry, but you made a good point.

EDIT: If they choose to be gay, which I believe at least most of them do, then thats pretty stupid. See, what I'm getting at is that most people have some gay thoughts or tendencies. Most straight people would just ignore the thoughts and still pursue women. However, as a result of the openness of society lately, they decide "Gee, I must be gay, I'm comin outta the closet". Most people do have some minor same sex thoughts, but they don't pursue them, and enjoy women. I believe a number of gay people were like that but CHOSE to pursue men and be openly gay.

BTW, an alternative to eating them would be to forced them underground. But all that wasted food....

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lol. thanks.

That's odd. Such a question has theories with actual scientific/scholarly merit, yet you prefer half-assed opinions from a mostly juvenile population. Really, I'm not dissing you, but I just think it's...odd. *shrug*

Some sheep are gay and birds jack off. Humans are funny little creatures, they're just good for a few laughs.

I'm sorry, do you have any suggestions on another forum I can visit?

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

That's odd. Such a question has theories with actual scientific/scholarly merit, yet you prefer half-assed opinions from a mostly juvenile population. Really, I'm not dissing you, but I just think it's...odd. *shrug*

Since scientists haven't been able to answer this question, one had might as well ask the people of TOTSE.

sex and affection.

quote:Originally posted by praisejahmoreherb:

Some sheep are gay and birds jack off. Humans are funny little creatures, they're just good for a few laughs.

Most animals pleasure themselves. But homosexuality, I can't explain that one.

I suggest you read a book titled 'Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity' There's a funny review over at Salon's The Fabulous Kingdom of Gay Animals (http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html).

A Quote: "Biology must accept the apparent purposelessness of sexualities, he argues. Sexual pleasure is "inherently valuable" and "requires no further 'justification.'"

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quote:Originally posted by TheDragon:

If indeed it is a natural thing...I think its biologically a mutation. Maybe just a minor change in their chemical balances. Maybe we all have a homosexual part of the brain and theirs is more active/enlarged.



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I heard that besides mother and father genes and that stuff, that there is some fminen(sp) side in every man and masculine side in every woman. But fags choose to be ass raming cock suckers, its weird how that humans have the best logic out of all "animals" but still cant see that bulls dont fuck bulls they fuck cows. Maybe a true fudge packer can come and share why he likes being a queer.

quote:Originally posted by jimmy the gent:

I heard that besides mother and father genes and that stuff, that there is some fminen(sp) side in every man and masculine side in every woman. But fags choose to be ass raming cock suckers, its weird how that humans have the best logic out of all "animals" but still cant see that bulls dont fuck bulls they fuck cows. Maybe a true fudge packer can come and share why he likes being a queer.

Lol...fudge packer

quote:But fags choose to be ass raming cock suckers

How do you know its chosen? Did you choose it?

Yes they do choose to act on their urges, but they dont choose to be attracted to members of the same sex. Here's an analogy. Think of food, or music. I dont like country music. For whatever reason its just not appealing to me. Sure I can choose whether or not to listen to it, but I cant choose to like it. If somebody puts on a country song I cant just say, "Well I really hate this, but I dont want to be miserable for 3 minutes so I'm going to choose to like it until its over."

quote:Originally posted by SupaAznPirate:

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Damn dats a big catfish Wooo Haw!

You know seriouslly guys.. I was kind of insomniactic last night and when I get that way I try and think of something really off the wall to make me tired and So I started thinking about what purpose Gays in fact have on earth.

Some say to controll population. But its not mans choice to controll world popultion but nature herself.

Really.. it is a fucked up lifestyle. Whenever i go on yahoo chat and a gay person says something stupid like "Well in nature lots of creatures are gay" and I usually say "What creatures" and 99% of the time they say "Dogs have gay sex" and im like.. Thats so true.. i have seen 2 male dogs butt fuck each other and My dog eats his shit too. They are fucking dogs and we are people. So Procreation is the reason for sex. Sex is not for mans pleasure.. it is pleasurable for man because if it wasnt he would be to fucking lazy to do it. Its why flowers smell so pretty so to attract bees otherwise bees wouldnt give a fuck about making honey or heloping flowers procreate.

Birds and the Bees and not Dogs eating shit. Homosexuals are basically Dogs.

quote:Originally posted by jimmy the gent:

I heard that besides mother and father genes and that stuff, that there is some fminen(sp) side in every man and masculine side in every woman. But fags choose to be ass raming cock suckers, its weird how that humans have the best logic out of all "animals" but still cant see that bulls dont fuck bulls they fuck cows. Maybe a true fudge packer can come and share why he likes being a queer.

Both males and females produce testerone and estrogen/progesterone. Testerone is just more dominant in males, obviously, and vice versa.

quote:Whenever i go on yahoo chat and a gay person says something stupid like "Well in nature lots of creatures are gay" and I usually say "What creatures" and 99% of the time they say "Dogs have gay sex" and im like.. Thats so true.. i have seen 2 male dogs butt fuck each other and My dog eats his shit too. They are fucking dogs and we are people.

Is it normal for you to be in yahoo chat looking for gays to talk to? Nevermind, you dont have to answer.

The point they're making is that its natural.

Ok look im gay and the way i see it there are a lot of different reasons for why i am the way i am. I know there are some people who choose to be gay because they dont feel special when there with the opisite sex. I know a gay man he used to get all kinds of pussy and yea he will admint it was great but it was just sex he didnt get any love out of it like he does with his boyfriend now so yes there are some gays that do choose and then there are others that dont. Me i have never really been attracted to females. Just like looks i dont care what someone looks like i feel that personality is more important than anything it doesnt matter if there male or female as long as thers it love it shouldnt matter who your with.

Love is the reason we get into relationships and if you dont get love from a female or ever think you could love one but you still love to have sex with them think about this. Would you rather have sex with someone that you could never love or love someone and never have sex with them. Its a matter of love not sex. I know several gay couples who dont have sex very much at all. Me personally im huge on anal sex doesnt mean im not gay and doesnt mean i dont love my Mate it just means we dont have a lot of sex. My mate is the same way he isnt huge on anal sex eather but it doesnt mean we dont have a healthy sex life or anything.

Love I feel is more important than who you sleep with if you love them and they love you then why does it matter if you fuck them or not. Sex isnt everything.

I have straight friend he will admint if a guys cute or hot or not he wont have sex with one but he will give his opinion. Same with me i will tell a straight man if i think a female is cute or hot doesnt mean I will fuck them eather.

Me personally I dont think it maters who you sleep with or who your attracted to its like the color of your skin it doesnt make you different. There are no differences between a gay mand and a straight man they both can love someone with all there heart and soul so why does it matter if that person is the same sex as them or not. I think its more important to love someone and care for them than what sex they are. I found a man and fell in love with him for others they find woman and fall in love with them so then why are we treated different. We both love someone why does it mater who.

I have asked people if they think a black man shouldnt marrying a white woman or an asian woman or any other differnt ethnic background other than there own. You know what most people tell me. &lt;b&gt; "They tell me theres nothing wrong with it at all they love each other and thats great."&lt;/b&gt; "Then i ask then I ask then whats the difference between a man marrying another man, dont they love each other just the same." Most if not all the people I ask this look at me and say, &lt;b&gt;"Well if you put it that way I guess nothing."&lt;/b&gt; the only people who tell me different tell me well because its nto right or god doesnt love gays or some shit like that, but last time i checked god loves everyone even gays he may not agree with us but he loves us still the same. I dont know I'm not a Christian so I wont go into that. All i know is that it states in the bible that god loves everyone even if they dont love him and I have heard this from countless christians too.

Christians alway try and use the bible to prove themselves right and say that its gods will and this is what god says is right. But ever christian i have asked "but isnt the bible written by man as an interpitation of god its still failable becaue its written by man not GOD he didnt right it man did" they just stair at me most of the tiem and then say something like "yeah but god wouldnt let us get it wrong." This saddens me because some christians think that they couldnt have made a mistake in interperating god and that what the bible says its all right. They ignore that fact that the bible has changed in the last 2000yrs its have been rewritten or changed countless times thigs have been removed and altered to make man look better or to give the "Church" at the time more power or the "King" or who ever is in power. Just do a quick look into 15 and 16 century england you will see a lot of changes in the Christian views and the bible. Yet still today christians try and use the bible to justify there thinking ignoreing the fack that it might not be the same book it used to be.

Not only that but if god is all powerful and everything then why am i here why am i alowed to live if he doesnt agree with me and thinks i sould die or thinks i shouldnt have the same rights as other. Is it impossible that he could have changed his mind on the subject in the last 2000 yrs isnt it possible he doesnt care that there are gay just that they love each other and are happy. I dont know though like I said above I'm not christian so I dont know.

Anyway thats all i have to say so its up to you to listen or whatever if you dont then ohhh well I tried and I'm not gona tey to push my views onto you or anything. I'm not like most christians I dont believe that my views are perfect for eveyone I just tell you my opinion and hope you rethink yours and see what happens. I dont care if you like me or anything I have plenty of enemies that dont like me but sill respect me for what I say even if they dont agree on it.



Why ask what makes gay people gay it doesnt matter its more important to be happy and in love then it is to have answers. There are alway questions in the universe that will never be answered and this is probably one of them. There are also questions that dont matter and dont need answering this also in my opinon is one of them. It doesnt mater to anyone who i love except me and my lover so why does it matter to everyone else. You dont see me geting mad at straight people because there straight so why should they get mad at me for being gay isnt it more important to be happy than to hate someone.

Think about this would you rather hate someone and ruin your life because of it or would you rather just ignore them let them be as long as there not hurting anyone and be happy yourself.

Ohh and for all you guys or girls who say that your ok with gays as long as they dont comeone to you. Think about the men and women have the same problem when there straight people comeon to them that totally discust them and are defently not there type you dont see then kicking the shit out of them for it do you. No you see them decline the offer and get on with there lives. So if a gay man or woman comes on to you just decline and move on its not the end of your life. If anything you should be flattered that someone thinks your attractive and all. Me I get straigh women who comeon to me I just decine them and tell them there not my type and thats it they leaeve me alone. So why cant you do the same. Its not like there hurting you by thinking your cute or sexy its just like if a woman or man comes on to you and there not your type. Theres noting different about it.



ok now I think im all done I also think this is the longest post I have written here lol.

mr_pantz please do your own research.

Some of the comments and ideas are so way off, it even surprises me but then again a lot of authors on totse seemed to have skipped school or are still in school.

quote:Originally posted by NewDude:

How do you know its chosen? Did you choose it?

Yes they do choose to act on their urges, but they dont choose to be attracted to members of the same sex. Here's an analogy. Think of food, or music. I dont like country music. For whatever reason its just not appealing to me. Sure I can choose whether or not to listen to it, but I cant choose to like it. If somebody puts on a country song I cant just say, "Well I really hate this, but I dont want to be miserable for 3 minutes so I'm going to choose to like it until its over."



Actually, to a certain extent, you do chose what music to like. And according to the best science has come up with, yes, it is a choice to be gay. Some have argued the smaller hypothalamus thing, but that's just funny, because they would unwittingly arguing that gays have brain defects. While it is true that some gay sheep have smaller hypothalamuses(sp?), these same sheep are generally less intelligent than other sheep(which is really hard.)

quote:Originally posted by FireBomb:

I have straight friend he will admint if a guys cute or hot or not he wont have sex with one but he will give his opinion. Same with me i will tell a straight man if i think a female is cute or hot doesnt mean I will fuck them eather.

Me personally I dont think it maters who you sleep with or who your attracted to its like the color of your skin it doesnt make you different. There are no differences between a gay mand and a straight man they both can love someone with all there heart and soul so why does it matter if that person is the same sex as them or not. I think its more important to love someone and care for them than what sex they are. I found a man and fell in love with him for others they find woman and fall in love with them so then why are we treated different. We both love someone why does it mater who.

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Sorry for being a dick, but i gotta say that was one GAY post.hahahahaha no pun intended. About the straight guys saying a another man is hot is a fucking lie, if they do they are gay or only say it cuz you are. A straight man would admite that Brad Pitt ,for insatnce, is a good looking man, or whoever and the only time a man says another male is cute is if its a child under 8 or they'r one kid. And about men loving men, that goes along with every religion, love one another, everyone dont exclude. So you dont have to be gay to admite someone is good looking or to love the same sex, everything you said is your pretty much the same except you have sex with men.

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There're three answers to that question, that I can think of.

First off, homosexuality is found in nature. If a species is so overpopulated that the land can no longer support it, they become homosexual. You can even do a little experiment, if you want, and try breeding mice in a small cage. It's pretty cruel, but if you want to, that will prove that homosexuality is a natural occurance.

Humans have far over populated the earth. Disease (also an effect of over population) is part of keeping the population down to a healthy level and so is homosexuality.

The second answer is more religiously based.:

Humans have freewill. Therefore we all have to make choices. If all the choices we have to make are the right ones, though, our freewill has no meaning. So, sometimes we have to (subconciously) make the "wrong" choice. Ethically I don't believe there's anything wrong with homosexuality. I don't like to get that involved in other peoples lives. But, obviously, on the a biological level, it's an anamoly and it's not in the rhythmn of everything else, so it's scientifically wrong.

Also, often if someone has a bad sexual experience with the opposite sex - even if it's subconcious - it can cause the person to be unattracted to the opposite sex and by default attracted to the same sex.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by FireBomb:

Ok look im gay and the way i see it there are a lot of different reasons for why i am the way i am. I know there are some people who choose to be gay because they dont feel special when there with the opisite sex. I know a gay man he used to get all kinds of pussy and yea he will admint it was great but it was just sex he didnt get any love out of it like he does with his boyfriend now so yes there are some gays that do choose and then there are others that dont. Me i have never really been attracted to females. Just like looks i dont care what someone looks like i feel that personality is more important than anything it doesnt matter if there male or female as long as thers it love it shouldnt matter who your with.

Love is the reason we get into relationships and if you dont get love from a female or ever think you could love one but you still love to have sex with them think about this. Would you rather have sex with someone that you could never love or love someone and never have sex with them. Its a matter of love not sex. I know several gay couples who dont have sex very much at all. Me personally im huge on anal sex doesnt mean im not gay and doesnt mean i dont love my Mate it just means we dont have a lot of sex. My mate is the same way he isnt huge on anal sex eather but it doesnt mean we dont have a healthy sex life or anything.

Love I feel is more important than who you sleep with if you love them and they love you then why does it matter if you fuck them or not. Sex isnt everything.

I have straight friend he will admint if a guys cute or hot or not he wont have sex with one but he will give his opinion. Same with me i will tell a straight man if i think a female is cute or hot doesnt mean I will fuck them eather.

Me personally I dont think it maters who you sleep with or who your attracted to its like the color of your skin it doesnt make you different. There are no differences between a gay mand and a straight man they both can love someone with all there heart and soul so why does it matter if that person is the same sex as them or not. I think its more important to love someone and care for them than what sex they are. I found a man and fell in love with him for others they find woman and fall in love with them so then why are we treated different. We both love someone why does it mater who.

I have asked people if they think a black man shouldnt marrying a white woman or an asian woman or any other differnt ethnic background other than there own. You know what most people tell me. &lt;b&gt; "They tell me theres nothing wrong with it at all they love each other and thats great."&lt;/b&gt; "Then i ask then I ask then whats the difference between a man marrying another man, dont they love each other just the same." Most if not all the people I ask this look at me and say, &lt;b&gt;"Well if you put it that way I guess nothing."&lt;/b&gt; the only people who tell me different tell me well because its nto right or god doesnt love gays or some shit like that, but last time i checked god loves everyone even gays he may not agree with us but he loves us still the same. I dont know I'm not a Christian so I wont go into that. All i know is that it states in the bible that god loves everyone even if they dont love him and I have heard this from countless christians too.

Christians alway try and use the bible to prove themselves right and say that its gods will and this is what god says is right. But ever christian i have asked "but isnt the bible written by man as an interpitation of god its still failable becaue its written by man not GOD he didnt right it man did" they just stair at me most of the tiem and then say something like "yeah but god wouldnt let us get it wrong." This saddens me because some christians think that they couldnt have made a mistake in interperating god and that what the bible says its all right. They ignore that fact that the bible has changed in the last 2000yrs its have been rewritten or changed countless times thigs have been removed and altered to make man look better or to give the "Church" at the time more power or the "King" or who ever is in power. Just do a quick look into 15 and 16 century england you will see a lot of changes in the Christian views and the bible. Yet still today christians try and use the bible to justify there thinking ignoreing the fack that it might not be the same book it used to be.

Not only that but if god is all powerful and everything then why am i here why am i alowed to live if he doesnt agree with me and thinks i sould die or thinks i shouldnt have the same rights as other. Is it impossible that he could have changed his mind on the subject in the last 2000 yrs isnt it possible he doesnt care that there are gay just that they love each other and are happy. I dont know though like I said above I'm not christian so I dont know.

Anyway thats all i have to say so its up to you to listen or whatever if you dont then ohhh well I tried and I'm not gona tey to push my views onto you or anything. I'm not like most christians I dont believe that my views are perfect for eveyone I just tell you my opinion and hope you rethink yours and see what happens. I dont care if you like me or anything I have plenty of enemies that dont like me but sill respect me for what I say even if they dont agree on it.



Why ask what makes gay people gay it doesnt matter its more important to be happy and in love then it is to have answers. There are alway questions in the universe that will never be answered and this is probably one of them. There are also questions that dont matter and dont need answering this also in my opinon is one of them. It doesnt mater to anyone who i love except me and my lover so why does it matter to everyone else. You dont see me geting mad at straight people because there straight so why should they get mad at me for being gay isnt it more important to be happy than to hate someone.

Think about this would you rather hate someone and ruin your life because of it or would you rather just ignore them let them be as long as there not hurting anyone and be happy yourself.

Ohh and for all you guys or girls who say that your ok with gays as long as they dont comeone to you. Think about the men and women have the same problem when there straight people comeon to them that totally discust them and are defently not there type you dont see then kicking the shit out of them for it do you. No you see them decline the offer and get on with there lives. So if a gay man or woman comes on to you just decline and move on its not the end of your life. If anything you should be flattered that someone thinks your attractive and all. Me I get straigh women who comeon to me I just decine them and tell them there not my type and thats it they leaeve me alone. So why cant you do the same. Its not like there hurting you by thinking your cute or sexy its just like if a woman or man comes on to you and there not your type. Theres noting different about it.



ok now I think im all done I also think this is the longest post I have written here lol.

YOU ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD!!!

PS. DIE

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

...But, obviously, on the a biological level, it's an anamoly and it's not in the rhythmn of everything else, so it's scientifically wrong.



I would even go a bit further on that:

Every life form itself is an anomaly.

every organism (even a virus) contains variations. If that wouldn't be the case there would be no change/evolution.

All the differences you see out there, are just that: Variations

The alternative to that would be:

Clones, everyone?

(no pun intended)



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i agree with firebomb.



qu. Did any of you heteros choose to be hetero, was there a day when you woke up and thought ' yeah, i wanna be a hetero'? I dont think so.

love comes in many shapes and forms.

Most hetero couples will never procreat, so watz the piont in those relationships?? I'd have to say as a bisexual, I get into same sex relationships for the same reasons I get into hetero ones: love, affection, and of course sex!

quote:Originally posted by bloodenangel:

Most hetero couples will never procreat, so watz the piont in those relationships?? I'd have to say as a bisexual, I get into same sex relationships for the same reasons I get into hetero ones: love, affection, and of course sex!

And the first prize goes to:

Bloodenangel

Congratulations and a happy successful life!





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quote:Originally posted by ATypiCalStuDenT:

Did any of you heteros choose to be hetero, was there a day when you woke up and thought ' yeah, i wanna be a hetero'?

I can remember when I was around 10-12 and starting puberty all the confusion I had regarding sex. Then I saw a story about gay couples on tv and made a concious decision that I would never be like that.

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quote:Originally posted by CatharticWeek:

I can remember when I was around 10-12 and starting puberty all the confusion I had regarding sex. Then I saw a story about gay couples on tv and made a concious decision that I would never be like that.

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Not much logic there, sorry.

You chose not to be like the two persons you saw behaving whatever way, they were on a tv show.

You didn't choose not to be gay (or whatever) you chose not to be what you perceived.

Now remember kiddies: no two persons are the same and this includes gays, thank-you.

its a wrong connection in the brain - chemical imbalance sort of. just liek how people have foot fetishs.

but alot more homos these days are out of choice, not a wrongly wired brain.

quote:Originally posted by SupaAznPirate:

&lt;A HREF="http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/graphics/catfish.jpg"&gt; <A HREF="http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/graphics/catfish.jpg">http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/graphics/catfish.jpg" width="90" height="90 (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/graphics/catfish.jpg" width="90" height="90)</A> &lt;/A&gt;

thats a big fish.

quote:Originally posted by obsessed_metal_head:

its a wrong connection in the brain - chemical imbalance sort of. just liek how people have foot fetishs.

but alot more homos these days are out of choice, not a wrongly wired brain.

You are a total idiot, all of this stuff has to do with your ubringing. Usually with sexual taboo as a kid which leads to missapropriated sexual behaviour as an adult. This is why people rape women/men, are gay, and have fetishes. There is nothing wrong with the later two. Nothing to do with a wrongly wired brain; Im sure that there are millions and even billions of gay or people with fetishes that have a much better chemical balance and are a lot more intelligent than you.

^ There is mounting evidence of differences in gay brain structure.

Link (http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=8697&continuebutton=Not+Now)

An excerpt:

Researchers from the University of Texas announced on Friday that there are quantifiable differences in the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals, lending more weight to a growing body of evidence that suggests sexual orientation is hard-wired in individuals from birth.

Contrary to the cultural stereotypes that portray gay men as less masculine, the study suggests that gay males actually appear to be more masculine and better endowed physically than their heterosexual counterparts.

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I've read somewhere that homosexuals' brains don't match their gender, like a gay male having a female brain and so forth.

I think the existence of gays comes from 2 things:

1) not population control, but as an adaptation to an exploding population. ie, it's not meant to keep the population down, it's just something that developed

2) homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, but there's a whole gay population now because our survival is no longer dependent on pairing up and producing babies.

PS wow, birds jack off? Way?

Okay, let the gay genuis help clear things up.

It only makes sense that homosexuality is a combination of pre-wired genetics and social up-bringing, how you ask well...

If homosexuality were indeed 100% genetics then both people in a set of identical twins would be gay or straight, but that is not true so then it must be social right? Some people believe that having a dominant mother or no father would yeild a gay son, also untrue, studies show that a family with one mother turns out no more gay males then a family with both parents. Another thing that points to genetics is the classic high-pitched gay guy with a lisp voice,(who was the asshole that put a 's' in lisp anyway?) Most guys develop this before they relize thay are gay, but then why don't all gay guys have it, and I believe that someboday already stated this, variation, the spieces(sp?) is always evolving, we are just a branch of the homo(haha...homo)sapien tree.

There is no clear dead-set proven theroy on what causes homosexuality but one thing is for sure, it is a combonation of things, (another interesting throy has to do with the number of older brothers yous you have) and perhaps it will never be proven so we might as well accept the fact that there is probally no way to get rid of or destroy homos but o well, we make life interesting.

Silentdark, you're on to something there.

Research does provide indication that homosexuality can have a genetic link. Twins often do have the same sexuality orientation be that straight or gay. Also large families, if they have a gay child, they often have other siblings that are gay too. (Often = statistically significant)

Well said FireBomb. I don't know why people think its sooooo gross. I am not gay, I am straight, but if you look at it, its just a different way of loving someone. And plus, many of the "sexual acts" they perform, many straight people do those too. And, why do people have to judge by what they see, or what they do in bed or whatever? They are happy, they love eachother, what if you were in their place? What if you loved someone so much, but you couldnt go out in public with out getting tormented or someone said "I am sorry you can't marry this person because its wrong"? How would you feel? Like shit. Yea sure, they can something CLOSE to a marriage, but its not the same. I am against Bush and his not permitting gay marriages in the US. Thats just me though... but I wish all of you the best of luck, and hope you find someone one day that you are happy with, truely love, and can't be without and think about "if" you were in a gay relationship. In the long run, it is practically the same thing.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

That's odd. Such a question has theories with actual scientific/scholarly merit, yet you prefer half-assed opinions from a mostly juvenile population. Really, I'm not dissing you, but I just think it's...odd. *shrug*

You come with the funniest shit, like when that guys tolet was overfloding you were all like, uh... nevermind.

quote:Originally posted by InimitableBallerina:

Well said FireBomb. I don't know why people think its sooooo gross. I am not gay, I am straight, but if you look at it, its just a different way of loving someone. And plus, many of the "sexual acts" they perform, many straight people do those too. And, why do people have to judge by what they see, or what they do in bed or whatever? They are happy, they love eachother, what if you were in their place? What if you loved someone so much, but you couldnt go out in public with out getting tormented or someone said "I am sorry you can't marry this person because its wrong"? How would you feel? Like shit. Yea sure, they can something CLOSE to a marriage, but its not the same. I am against Bush and his not permitting gay marriages in the US. Thats just me though... but I wish all of you the best of luck, and hope you find someone one day that you are happy with, truely love, and can't be without and think about "if" you were in a gay relationship. In the long run, it is practically the same thing.

I would like to thank you InimitableBallerina. It is sooooo true I dont judge people on what they do even if i dont agree with it its there business and as long as they dont hurt anyone its ok.

The way you put things into words it sooo true people always think that because it doent directly influence them then it doest matter and thats soooo not true. If it was the other way around and straights were being denied rights then i would fight for them too just like you are fighting for me.

For further information about homosexuality...

Watch YAGGA...

quote:Originally posted by InimitableBallerina:

Well said FireBomb. I don't know why people think its sooooo gross. I am not gay, I am straight, but if you look at it, its just a different way of loving someone. And plus, many of the "sexual acts" they perform, many straight people do those too. And, why do people have to judge by what they see, or what they do in bed or whatever?

One of two things: Fear (of the unknown) or stupidity.

Well this is weird...

Today i was thinking a bit about sexuality in general and i realised, when i do find love, its as likely to be with a man as with a woman.

At the moment i'd say i was pretty straight,

I jack off to pictures of chicks and the idea of anal doesn't seem too inviting to me.

But then again, i think just kissing would be the same and it wouldn't really matter...

And if i started forcing myself to get off to gay porn, would i then in turn become gay-er?

There was a really good article about this in new scientist a while back.

if i can find it i'll type it up for yall.

quote:Originally posted by Gsus:

And if i started forcing myself to get off to gay porn, would i then in turn become gay-er?



Ask yourself this:

"If I forced myself to get off to (ugly)old women, would I then in turn get to be a gerontophiliac (love for old)?"

I'm assuming your answer, would be "NO".

Same applies to your question.

ha...

Here another analogy:

Let's say you don't like rice.

You can force yourself to eat rice and you probably wil, lacking an alternative thereof

(eg. empty fridge).

That doesn't make you like rice, though.

As soon that you have an alternative to rice, you will take that alternative, again.



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Wow. That was a great post FireBomb. It actually did make a lot of sense. I agree with almost everything you said.

i'm bi, and i think that people turn gay sometimes because they find someone who they really love but just happens to be the same sex as them...really, i don't see why it's so important if you have one thing or the other, if you really REALLY loved the person and they REALLY loved you, one of you could get a sex change and make your relationship "right" (or if you wanted to have a kid)...

quote:Originally posted by asdf5kc:

i'm bi, and i think that people turn gay sometimes because they find someone who they really love but just happens to be the same sex as them...really, i don't see why it's so important if you have one thing or the other, if you really REALLY loved the person and they REALLY loved you, one of you could get a sex change and make your relationship "right" (or if you wanted to have a kid)...

Sounds like an interesting idea (sex change).

However, that's exactly what it means to be gay: You also appreciate the other person because he is the same gender.

No?





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I have been asking myself about homosexuality for long time. I think I have some answers, but maybe they are personal and not as universal as I think they are.

Homosexuality is in everyone. I mean, every carbon unit mammal is homosexual, in particular circumstances.

When lions fight for the territory, the loser usually makes up a steady homosexual couple.

(seen on Natural Geographic Channel).

Dolphins continuously make sex with anyone regardless of gender, since males have their penis (which is docked internally) enclosed within a particular valve which resembles a female genital organ. For them, this is a form of communication.

I am sure you have already seen what male dogs do in the street or with anything that can seem attractive, if no other dog is nearby (for some weird reason they also like human legs and so on).

In humans, homosexuality is one of the natural responses to submission, but since humans build mental constructs over anything, homosexuality is probably one of the oldest signs of civilisation, where civilisation is "the need to form a group based upon laws of non-belligerance to create something that is more than the sum of the singular components". So instead of being something that shows submission, the game becomes mutual domination and submission to balance the relation. (this happens in mixed gender couples too..) There are, of course, submissive-only and domination-only relationships, but this depends on different factors which is not my point to discuss here; I enclose in these factors the need for somebody to change surgically the body to resemble the sex being played.

As for anything "different but common", communities have been created to enforce the feeling to be right even if somebody says its not.

Nobody can really say for sure that he hasn't felt some "strange" feeling for people of his own sex, even if temporarily. Usually it is the negation of those feelings that erupts in phobiae and violent acts and thoughts for the particular behaviour being negated.

There are people who choose to feed those feelings and "take actions" (you know what I mean) to fulfill those primal needs, and there are people who are just aware of them without shame but choose to not take part in them.

In any case, homosexuality is right for who takes part in it for any amount of time; is a pain for who thinks it's wrong; it's neutral for who just don't care.

So better don't care, I think... do whatever you feel is right for you but don't judge people you don't understand, if they are harmless. (No, your kids will not become homosexuals just because there's somebody who is.)

I just experienced some enlightenment.

Thanks, TruthSeeker!

it easy, they are here to keep the population in balance. think is everyone one had children, or if there wasn't birth control and everyone was straight, because homosexuals were here long before birth control.

Food for thought:

Some think that homosexuality is a gene mutation. This may or may not be the case. In any way, don't expect science to find that gene (or genes) anytime soon.

It probably gets to be a bit more complicated than that.

For example: The disease Cystic Fibrosis can develope through any 1 out of over 700 different gene mutations; or any combination thereof.

Current tests only detect 70 mutations.

Caution: In no way do I want to imply that homosexuality is a disease. I'm merely speculating that it may be a genetic variation such as, blue eyes or brown eyes.

btw: for all the genetecists out there. I'm fully aware that this is a misrepresentation of genetics, since it still is much more complicated than that.



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quote:Originally posted by mr_pantz:

I've been pondering this for about three years now, why are some humans homosexual? Yes, we are of the animal kingdom, and basically the whole purpose of life is to reproduce and continue life. But, if someone is homosexual, they can't procreate, therefore, technically have no use on earth. So then why are there homosexuals? Is it a chemical imbalance in the brain? A mutation of some sort? Or do they actually choose to be homosexual? Strange...



Serious scientists on this subject claim only 10% of current homosexuals have something naturally wrong with there brain while 90% are conditioned by society (which would explain the growth from a few tens of thousand of homos in the 20th century to now 3 million). I agree they have no use to society and that if the government doesn't help them and they refuse to convert they be put on an island to die peacefully after they live there life in a homo-hawaii.

mmhh.

I was hoping I would get some critizism, dispute, questions, alternate viewpoints on my last post.

quote:Originally posted by LSA King:



Serious scientists on this subject claim only 10% of current homosexuals have something naturally wrong with there brain while 90% are conditioned by society (which would explain the growth from a few tens of thousand of homos in the 20th century to now 3 million). I agree they have no use to society and that if the government doesn't help them and they refuse to convert they be put on an island to die peacefully after they live there life in a homo-hawaii.

That's a big shitload of false information.

1. Your assumption totally disregards population growth.

2. Diverse past societies persecuted and killed homosexuals. Meaning, that there has always been a large majority of gays that did not admit to their sexuality.

3. Not wanting or being able to procreate does not equal "no use".



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it's evolutions way of stoping the overpopulation

Hmm I'm thinking of a certain group of city-states that existed over 2000 years ago. Yes, that's right, I'm thinking about Ancient Greece.

Now, anybody with any brains will remember something relevant about ancient Greece: gay sex was accepted and condoned.

Stay with me here: During that time period, the human population was relatively tiny. This proves that homosexuality isn't a "population control" measure or any of that bullshit.

Also it's relatively natural since animals have gay sex all the time, and exhibit transvestite activity (my dog is a perfect example. She pees like a male dog and humps people)

We don't need any more people, really. I think 6 billion is more than enough, so who cares if people are reproducing or not? I guess heterosexual couples who don't have kids are just as worthless as gays, right?

Also who cares who someone fucks.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

That's odd. Such a question has theories with actual scientific/scholarly merit, yet you prefer half-assed opinions from a mostly juvenile population. Really, I'm not dissing you, but I just think it's...odd. *shrug*

I HEARD A CUPPLE DIFF REASONS Y THEY ARE

1) they choose 2 be

2) and that they are born that way they cant help it they just like it up the but (or) the tounghe

I think if there were no religion, homos would not be labeled as such, the stigma of the gay life would not be such a bad thing.It would just be about sex.Its whatever floats your boat.Remove the moral and religious aspect of it, and it is just a choice some make when they want to blow a load.

What gets me is people say someone is a homosexual,well fine only when they are engaged in the act of sex with the same gender.When they are not activly engaged, what are they, just people.Like the ones no one ever would guess would be gay, and no one knows until that person tells them.You could be next to one on the bus,but not know it.

I dont think labels work well with humans.Since the only thing that defines a gay is sex, when they are not having sex what are they?And have you ever seen two male rabbits in the same cage? They are not "gay" but when they are horny they will fuck anything in the cage.I have seen rabbits get hurt fighting each other because they were both horny,wanted to fuck, but did not want to get fucked by the other.It seems like the natrual biological urge to reproduce is strong but enviromental restrictions have resulted in gay rabbit sex.

I have seen gay fucking bees for shit sake, on tv it was due to some overpopulation of a certin kind of bee in the hive or some shit.I really can not find anything sexual about a man, but then I dont find fat chicks who smell bad hot iether, but there are some out there who do.So it must be a combo of enviromental factors and the personal choice of the individual.

All I know is it dont change my life one little bit when some fags fuck each other, or get married, or anything.This should not even be the big deal that it is in the usa.How can you call for a constitutional amendment that discriminates against someone because of what they do behind closed doors.It goes against the very idea of all folks are equal, and is not founded in logic, but out of fear and stupid fucking religous beliefs.

I must say, I'm rather surprised so many people here on totse can be mature about this. It's rather refreshing.

I'm not gay, but I won't rule it out. Just as I don't limit potential partners by ethnicity or religion, I won't rule out men as partners. It's not something I'm looking for, but I'd like to think I wouldn't turn away from it. It's hard enough to find someone who can love and accept you for who you are.

quote:Originally posted by cringeshroomgod:

I HEARD A CUPPLE DIFF REASONS Y THEY ARE

1) they choose 2 be

2) and that they are born that way they cant help it they just like it up the but (or) the tounghe



Thank you for your words of wisdom...

quote:Originally posted by cringeshroomgod:

I HEARD A CUPPLE DIFF REASONS Y THEY ARE

1) they choose 2 be

2) and that they are born that way they cant help it they just like it up the but (or) the tounghe

I think,I'm giving up on facts and logic.

There are just too many morons on Totse.

quote:Originally posted by mr_pantz:



Thank you for your words of wisdom...

Sarcasam is truly a gift from god....

quote:Originally posted by silentdark:

Sarcasam is truly a gift from god....

...and so are idiots like cringeshroomgod.

This is probably quite interesting news to people that still think homosexuality is unnatural and doesn't exist in nature.

Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows, stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity (including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits, lions, porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms.

Homosexual behavior has also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards, mountain sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.

See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on homosexuality in bonobos:

De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape. Berkeley: University of California Press.

Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C. Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological, and biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.

So much for that "nature theory".





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The following is off-topic but if you'll continue to read on, you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

AGS (Adrenogenital Syndrome)

is a medical condition that is rarely spoken of.

However, 1 in 10'000 Children are afflicted by it.

The cause is a defect in the adrenal gland. This gland is responsible in the synthesis of various hormones.

As we know hormones are very important to our health.

One (!) of the devastating issues with AGS is that it can make (genetic) females to have male attributes and it used to be a fatal condition.

Most developed countries have prenatal screening and are well prepared to help these children to have an almost normal life.

You've probably never heard of AGS but it does exist. Parents are so ashamed and feel guilty, as if they were responsible for it, even though this is nobody's fault.

Imagine you had a child and someone asks you the innocent question,

"is it a boy or a girl?"

and you can't answer because our prude society doesn't allow any variation from the "norm".

My point:

1. We all have to come to terms, that we are genetically unique. There is no such thing as "normal". We are ALL different.

2. Nobody has to justify to anybody for point 1.

3. It's what you do and not what/who you are that will make a difference in this world.

4. Homosexuality can be a part of point 1.

5. Even though, there probably isn't a

"gay-gene" our genetic make-up can be a factor determining if you are gay or not.

6. Taking into account point 5. Nobody chooses to be gay. It is predetermined. Of course, if you're straight, you can choose to take the path of a gay person. but why would someone, in our narrowminded society, choose to do so, if being straight is the "norm"?

SK9





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What ??

No Critizism ?

No Disputes ?

No Flames ?

No Questions ?

To my last posts?

SK9

quote:Originally posted by SpecialK9:



What ??

No Critizism ?

No Disputes ?

No Flames ?

No Questions ?

To my last posts?

SK9



Yeah I'm supprised no one has responded to them too.

quote:Originally posted by SpecialK9:

6. Taking into account point 5. Nobody chooses to be gay. It is predetermined. Of course, if you're straight, you can choose to take the path of a gay person. but why would someone, in our narrowminded society, choose to do so, if being straight is the "norm"?

I don't think anyone has much of a "choice" in such matters. Sure, Timmothy Leary claimed he could alter someone's sexuality with LSD, but he claimed a lot of things. I don't see why a straight person would have more of a choice than a gay person.

Personally I don't see an attraction to people of a single gender as anything other than a sexual fetish. Some people are attracted to skinny Japanese women, others like hairy black men the size of whales. Why? Well, we've all got sexual schemas attached to our fetishes. Altering the schemas we're already used to is not only extremely difficult (if not impossible much of the time) but there's really no reason to do so.

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quote:Originally posted by mr_pantz:

I've been pondering this for about three years now, why are some humans homosexual?

All the valid reasons have been stated and all of the false reasons too.

However, there's another reason which hasn't been mentioned. I think it's time to do so now. A gay man can be just as aesthetically pleasing as any other straight guy or girl.

Here's proof!

<A HREF="http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg">http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg" width="90" height="90 (http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg" width="90" height="90)</A>

Click on picture for larger image



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quote:Originally posted by SpecialK9:

All the valid reasons have been stated and all of the false reasons too.

However, there's another reason which hasn't been mentioned. I think it's time to do so now. A gay man can be just as aesthetically pleasing as any other sraight guy or girl.

Here's proof!

&lt;A HREF="http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg"&gt; <A HREF="http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg">http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg" width="90" height="90 (http://images.partyguide.ch/2004/dukes_040304/img/0dsc01706.jpg" width="90" height="90)</A> &lt;/A&gt;

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Well I agree hehe but I dont count in this matter. still tho Mmmmmm cute boi's



sorry coulndnt reisit it the cuteness is too much hheheee

[QUOTE] homosexuals should be turned into food. One set of homos could feed 30 starving 3rd world country children. [QUOTE]

Hahaha yeah really just one gay couple?

id like to see you get some political power.

quote:Originally posted by luckyphill:

[QUOTE] homosexuals should be turned into food. One set of homos could feed 30 starving 3rd world country children. [QUOTE]

Hahaha yeah really just one gay couple?

id like to see you get some political power.

In regards to ethics, nothing needs to be said to the 1. stupid quote above.

The mathematical part of it however, will probably disappoint the author.

Research estimates conclude that 10% of people are gay, not counting an even higher percentage of bisexuals.

Therefore:

30 Children = ca. 3 gay + 27 straight or bi.



SK9

can't believe this thread is still going. =]

quote:Originally posted by Negro Savage:

You know seriouslly guys.. I was kind of insomniactic last night. So I started thinking, then I screamed in pain.

Because it hurts lik hell when I think.

So, after I took a shit load of painkillers. I was able to have an actual honest to god rational thought. I have come to the conclusion, that I have been a total ass! I'm sorry for being such a prick you guys. I also now believe it is wrong for gay people to be denied their basic human rights. Because homosexuals are people to!.

hehe, for a moment there, I thought I saw a ghost from the past.

Had a good chuckle afterwards, though!

quote:Originally posted by insanejuggalo02:

I'M FUCKED IN THE HEAD!!! What was I thinking! I'm so sorry firebomb! Please forgive me.

PS.PLEASE DON'T DIE

quote:Originally posted by LSA King:

I have no use to society and that if the government doesn't help me and I should be put on an island to die peacefully in my own little moronic world.

That's the first smart thing you have said.



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quote:Originally posted by Hentai Baka:

I suggest you read a book titled 'Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity' There's a funny review over at Salon's The Fabulous Kingdom of Gay Animals (http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html).

A Quote: "Biology must accept the apparent purposelessness of sexualities, he argues. Sexual pleasure is "inherently valuable" and "requires no further 'justification.'"

[This message has been edited by Hentai Baka (edited 02-25-2004).]

how can it be Homo as Homo refers to man not animals you muppet. Gay means happy and would you be happy having things placed in your arse?

quote:Originally posted by Uncle Nasty:

how can it be Homo as Homo refers to man not animals you muppet. Gay means happy and would you be happy having things placed in your arse?

From what you wrote, I'm quite confident in saying that: You are a complete moron.

--I'm not going to explain moron, if you don't understand--

but know this: homo = same

SK9

I don't understand gay either. It could be because of bad experiences with the other sex. I do understand bisexual, they just found a way to have more sex.

quote:Originally posted by Bonnie00:

I don't understand gay either. It could be because of bad experiences with the other sex. I do understand bisexual, they just found a way to have more sex.



It's always a good idea to read the posts, before submitting a worthless comment that's been covered previously.

quote:

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Originally posted by LSA King:

I have no use to society and that if the government doesn't help me and I should be put on an island to die peacefully in my own little moronic world.

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quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

That's the first smart thing you have said.

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ROTFLOL!!

The only thing homosexuality is good for is inteligent conversation in 'sex & affection.'