Ok whats the deal with nice guys finishing last? DO you girls realyl want to be treated like shit? Want us to lie to you? Cheat on you? Not tell you anything? There are lots of decent guys out there that spend months or years with a girl before she realizes whatever it is that she realizes. Just COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAY IT!!! TREAT ME LIKE A SLUT! BUY ME DVD's AND VIDEO GAMES AND BEER AND ALL THE CRAP YOU WANT!~!! MAKE ME GIVE YOU HEAD AND FUCK ME IN THE ASS A LOT !!!!! man i dont know i just got pissed off reading some of these stories yall been writing about bein dumped and I so knwo however you feel. if this relationship I'm in doesnt work out. Im goign to be celebate and concentrate on school/work 100% fuck all that shit .

Yep.

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Are you trying to make a point that you're a "good guy"? Well, you're not. You're an idiot.

Time of the month again?

You can't just be "the bad boy" to get girls. They'll see right through you. And make sure you've fucked them real good before you punch them for the first time, or you'll get nowhere.

As jokingly as you I think you're saying that, it's true. The whole reason assholes get the women is because they show roughly half aggression, half pacifism, then once the woman is hooked on the mystique of their attitude, AND gotten some decent sex, the guy can beat the shit out of her or do whatever he wants and she'll stick around so she can 'change' him not realizing she's being played.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Are you trying to make a point that you're a "good guy"? Well, you're not. You're an idiot.

Speaking of "good," Snoopy, I think your mom owes me some change...

quote:Originally posted by Gillibiabtiag:

Speaking of "good," Snoopy, I think your mom owes me some change...

OH. MY. GOD. A "ur moms a ho!!1" flame, thats never been done before!

nobody is truly nice. dont lie to yourself. people will act nice to try and get what they want. every person is selfish.

people consider me a nice guy and ill admit that it's only an act to get what i want.

just remember, dont trick yourself into thinking that your truly a nice person.

quote:Originally posted by SBTlauien:

nobody is truly nice. dont lie to yourself. people will act nice to try and get what they want. every person is selfish.

people consider me a nice guy and ill admit that it's only an act to get what i want.

just remember, dont trick yourself into thinking that your truly a nice person.

This guy's a genius. A bit pessimistic, but I think he's got potential.

FUCK YOU

What's with all the dumb twats posting here lately? Why doesn't she like you? BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING PANSY! Girls only want a pansy to buy them shit. Other than that, we generally see them as dumb desparate weakasses who won't dare to be themselves for fear of rejection (which they [you] are). God you're a fucking dumbass. You're going to piss and moan your whole sad life about how nobody likes the "nice guy" and probably get all the sympathy in the world from other pussies like you who think girls want to be beaten. And you'll probably never realize what a cunt you are. I like my guys to treat me like a person, not like someone they have to step around or someone to be feared. In other words, I want a guy who acts like himself around me. Is this so fucking hard to grasp that you stupid pricks keep making threads on this same lame old topic? God fucking dammit I hate you. Grow some balls. You're weak. I don't want a guy to be an asshole to me. No girl outside of sadomasochistic relationships wants to be treated like shit. But a normal chick likes dudes to just be fucking normal. I really fucking hate people like you.

/\ Can I have your number?

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

FUCK YOU

What's with all the dumb twats posting here lately? Why doesn't she like you? BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING PANSY! Girls only want a pansy to buy them shit. Other than that, we generally see them as dumb desparate weakasses who won't dare to be themselves for fear of rejection (which they [you] are). God you're a fucking dumbass. You're going to piss and moan your whole sad life about how nobody likes the "nice guy" and probably get all the sympathy in the world from other pussies like you who think girls want to be beaten. And you'll probably never realize what a cunt you are. I like my guys to treat me like a person, not like someone they have to step around or someone to be feared. In other words, I want a guy who acts like himself around me. Is this so fucking hard to grasp that you stupid pricks keep making threads on this same lame old topic? God fucking dammit I hate you. Grow some balls. You're weak. I don't want a guy to be an asshole to me. No girl outside of sadomasochistic relationships wants to be treated like shit. But a normal chick likes dudes to just be fucking normal. I really fucking hate people like you.

short sighted.

do you know why so many guys are "nice" like that? some are pussies. complete pussies who cant stand up for themselves. most are just guys who observe life and come to the initial conclusion that this is how they should treat women. they see what kind of guys fuck a lot of girls. the guys who could give a flying fuck about the bitches.

now these future "nice" guys dont want to just fuck a lot of girls, they want to have a girlfriend. they listen to girls bitch (undoubtable after the dumb cunts finally figure out mr wonderful just wanted his dick up in them) about how there are no nice guys. they just want a guy to "treat them right" and "not be all about getting in my pants". so now these guys think "well, thats me. i want to treat a girl right and im not all about getting in her pants".

so now the "nice" guys think this is what they need to do. they think they have to treat a girl "right" by not upsetting them. why? this is what they "learned" by observing stupid cunts getting fucked by assholes and complaining about it.

are the guys being themselves? no. are they afraid of rejection? of course, nearly any guy is. have you fucking watched how young girls treat guys they want to reject? none of these guys with feelings wants to have his crushed for the amusement of some twat. but the guys figure if they act "nice" then the girl will act "nice" and like him because hes doing what he thinks she wants.

he figures once time goes by he can open up and be more of himself when hes comfortable. ever hear a girl say how she needs time to feel comfortable and open up sexually? ever notice how "good" guys are expected to understand and accept this? notice how women dont give a flying shit about these "nice" guys feeling comfortable and are quick to friend zone them, use them for gifts/emotional tampons and treat them like jokes? well that is you. too stupid to know which guys care about nothing but a particular internal organ and which guys have hearts.

so what happens after these guys finally figure out they arent getting anywhere? they get bitter. they figure they might as well be another guy who doesnt give a fuck about a girl because hey, atleast those guys are getting laid. so whos to blame for this? girls not fucking the characteristics that they claim to want and guys who are too stupid to just go for what works to begin with. if girls actually fucked what they say they want in a guy, these "nice" guys would be using their dicks and stop being such pushovers. if guys just went for the fuck to begin with instead of trying to want feelings, these "nice guys" wouldnt get created.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

short sighted.

do you know why so many guys are "nice" like that? some are pussies. complete pussies who cant stand up for themselves. most are just guys who observe life and come to the initial conclusion that this is how they should treat women. they see what kind of guys fuck a lot of girls. the guys who could give a flying fuck about the bitches.

now these future "nice" guys dont want to just fuck a lot of girls, they want to have a girlfriend. they listen to girls bitch (undoubtable after the dumb cunts finally figure out mr wonderful just wanted his dick up in them) about how there are no nice guys. they just want a guy to "treat them right" and "not be all about getting in my pants". so now these guys think "well, thats me. i want to treat a girl right and im not all about getting in her pants".

so now the "nice" guys think this is what they need to do. they think they have to treat a girl "right" by not upsetting them. why? this is what they "learned" by observing stupid cunts getting fucked by assholes and complaining about it.

are the guys being themselves? no. are they afraid of rejection? of course, nearly any guy is. have you fucking watched how young girls treat guys they want to reject? none of these guys with feelings wants to have his crushed for the amusement of some twat. but the guys figure if they act "nice" then the girl will act "nice" and like him because hes doing what he thinks she wants.

he figures once time goes by he can open up and be more of himself when hes comfortable. ever hear a girl say how she needs time to feel comfortable and open up sexually? ever notice how "good" guys are expected to understand and accept this? notice how women dont give a flying shit about these "nice" guys feeling comfortable and are quick to friend zone them, use them for gifts/emotional tampons and treat them like jokes? well that is you. too stupid to know which guys care about nothing but a particular internal organ and which guys have hearts.

so what happens after these guys finally figure out they arent getting anywhere? they get bitter. they figure they might as well be another guy who doesnt give a fuck about a girl because hey, atleast those guys are getting laid. so whos to blame for this? girls not fucking the characteristics that they claim to want and guys who are too stupid to just go for what works to begin with. if girls actually fucked what they say they want in a guy, these "nice" guys would be using their dicks and stop being such pushovers. if guys just went for the fuck to begin with instead of trying to want feelings, these "nice guys" wouldnt get created.

Wow, you took ever last word right out of my mouth. Don't ever let a girl tell you any different, man.

quote:Originally posted by FuCkThEsYsTeM:

Time of the month again?

I think this also applies to GlitterPunk.

[This message has been edited by Corrupt Civilian (edited 02-16-2004).]

The nice guys who complain are the ones who are nice all the time. That's boring. Nobody wants boring forever, no matter how wonderfully sweet the package might be.

mrman is only half-right. Girls do say they want all these good and noble qualities, and then ditch the guys who show them. It happens a lot. However, let's keep this in perspective. Haven't you ever gotten bored of anything, guys? Doesn't the same old shit wear on you eventually? It's not any different if you play the same tune with your girlfriend day in and day out. I have yet to see a good guy get dropped on his ass if he shows depth of character beyond the "nice guy" teenage girls describe as their ideal mates.

I readily admit that it would be nice if everyone would fucking say, this is what I want, all the way through, instead of focusing on certain things. The girls who say they want a nice guy who is affectionate and blah blah blah yackity smackity either haven't had a boyfriend like that, and thus have no idea how dull it can be if he has nothing else to his personality besides that, or they don't mention the rest.

Why not?

Maybe it's fear of social stigma- we're not exactly past the point where a girl who talks about liking sex is readily labeled a slut, though that's improving. To one extent or another, I'm willing to bet that's why most of the girls who are well aware of just how hard they want their nice, sweet boyfriend to fuck their brains out don't talk about it. Even if they don't care about what people think of them, they also don't always revel in the funny looks they might get, depending on the company.

But I digress. BE INTERESTING. That goes both ways, guys and girls. It's great to be a good person, but you have to add some depth to yourself if you want anyone who isn't a completely clueless, superficial shithead to stick around. If you're ho-hum, the people around you will become ho-hum about you, and that's when these mysterious "realizations" often occur.

And if you do this and she still takes off for no good reason, then you've done all you could. You'll find someone better suited to you. That may be small consolation when you get dumped, but it won't take long to feel better when you can honestly answer the question, "What did I do wrong?" with "Nothing."

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

The nice guys who complain are the ones who are nice all the time. That's boring. Nobody wants boring forever, no matter how wonderfully sweet the package might be.

mrman is only half-right. Girls do say they want all these good and noble qualities, and then ditch the guys who show them. It happens a lot. However, let's keep this in perspective. Haven't you ever gotten bored of anything, guys? Doesn't the same old shit wear on you eventually? It's not any different if you play the same tune with your girlfriend day in and day out. I have yet to see a good guy get dropped on his ass if he shows depth of character beyond the "nice guy" teenage girls describe as their ideal mates.

I readily admit that it would be nice if everyone would fucking say, this is what I want, all the way through, instead of focusing on certain things. The girls who say they want a nice guy who is affectionate and blah blah blah yackity smackity either haven't had a boyfriend like that, and thus have no idea how dull it can be if he has nothing else to his personality besides that, or they don't mention the rest.

Why not?

Maybe it's fear of social stigma- we're not exactly past the point where a girl who talks about liking sex is readily labeled a slut, though that's improving. To one extent or another, I'm willing to bet that's why most of the girls who are well aware of just how hard they want their nice, sweet boyfriend to fuck their brains out don't talk about it. Even if they don't care about what people think of them, they also don't always revel in the funny looks they might get, depending on the company.

But I digress. BE INTERESTING. That goes both ways, guys and girls. It's great to be a good person, but you have to add some depth to yourself if you want anyone who isn't a completely clueless, superficial shithead to stick around. If you're ho-hum, the people around you will become ho-hum about you, and that's when these mysterious "realizations" often occur.

And if you do this and she still takes off for no good reason, then you've done all you could. You'll find someone better suited to you. That may be small consolation when you get dumped, but it won't take long to feel better when you can honestly answer the question, "What did I do wrong?" with "Nothing."

but the question is this. do these girls who claim the nice guy is boring ever tell him? do they ever do anything exciting themselves? its a lovely excuse but i dont buy it. atleast not in the way its practiced. to claim there is "nothing else there" is simply a lie in most cases. how often do you see these guys friend zoned within a very short time of meeting girl x? girls will claim to want a guy who isnt all about getting in her pants, but if he doesnt chase her she wants to label him as boring and not sexually attractive.

i also dont buy the slut issue. it is women who most often and most quickly label another girl a slut. why? because they are jealous cunts. women [i]can[/c] be honest about their sexual wants and needs, they just have to have a spine. funny, isnt that the exact same thing virgin twat from above just bitched the whiney thread starter out for? being a pansy? take your own advice women. dont want a dull, spineless bitch? guess what, neither do we.

so once again what does it all come down to? guys being too stupid to just fuck women and move on and women being liars who cant admit what they want or atleast fuck what they say they want.

mrman383, these "nice guys" aren't guys who don't sleep around. These are not the guys bitching. I know plenty of dudes who don't fuck everything that moves, but that don't get dumped for being "too nice." Believe it or not, there is some ground between fucking a girl and leaving her bloodied up on the street in front of a cheap motel and showering her with gifts, opening doors, and licking her boots. You can be the guy who takes the road between these extremes and you won't get dumped for being nice.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

funny, isnt that the exact same thing virgin twat from above just bitched the whiney thread starter out for? being a pansy? take your own advice women. dont want a dull, spineless bitch? guess what, neither do we.



It's annoying that there are two people in the same thread who need a bolded FUCK YOU but I guess that's the way it goes on totse nowadays. Me and Spiffy are two different people. And I'm different from the girls you're talking about. All not the same person. How you've missed this in your 12 years of existance, I'm not sure. Anyway, you're a jackass for thinking chicks should give a boring dumbass a chance to get comfortable with her even though she doesn't like him. We're supposed to just assume he'll get better and less dull with time? What the fuck? I would rather take a guy who isn't a loser initially than a guy who is. But hey, that's just me

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

mrman383, these "nice guys" aren't guys who don't sleep around. These are not the guys bitching. I know plenty of dudes who don't fuck everything that moves, but that don't get dumped for being "too nice." Believe it or not, there is some ground between fucking a girl and leaving her bloodied up on the street in front of a cheap motel and showering her with gifts, opening doors, and licking her boots. You can be the guy who takes the road between these extremes and you won't get dumped for being nice.

dumped? since when is this about being dumped? this is about watching pathetic guys trying to be sweet and act like "gentlemen" and having girls keep them around as emotional tampons. these guys soon realize that "showering her with gifts" and "opening doors" are the quick road to friendtown.

but here, ill play along with your little game. why dont you go ahead and describe this "middle ground" in great detail. this should describe, with many examples, exactly how a middle ground guy gets pussy rather than finding friends. and since you know plenty of these dudes, im sure youll have a great explaination as to why you are not with them. begin.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

It's annoying that there are two people in the same thread who need a bolded FUCK YOU but I guess that's the way it goes on totse nowadays. Me and Spiffy are two different people. And I'm different from the girls you're talking about. All not the same person. How you've missed this in your 12 years of existance, I'm not sure. Anyway, you're a jackass for thinking chicks should give a boring dumbass a chance to get comfortable with her even though she doesn't like him. We're supposed to just assume he'll get better and less dull with time? What the fuck? I would rather take a guy who isn't a loser initially than a guy who is. But hey, that's just me

notice how you conveniently missed the other half of that analogy. so here it is: youll see many women claim they need time to get to know a guy, trust a guy and be comfortable with a guy before they can open up sexually. guys who do no "understand and accept" this are considered insensitive.

so why arent you out flying the flag that says "hey guys, if she wont take it up the ass on the first date, dump her. why should you wait around to see if she will get less dull with time? youd rather have a girl who wasnt a prude initially!"? dont get me wrong, im not at all opposed to girls going for the exciting guy who doesnt give a fuck about them. that makes my life easy and fun. but dont bitch about wanting a guy that cares about you then.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

dumped? since when is this about being dumped? this is about watching pathetic guys trying to be sweet and act like "gentlemen" and having girls keep them around as emotional tampons. these guys soon realize that "showering her with gifts" and "opening doors" are the quick road to friendtown.

but here, ill play along with your little game. why dont you go ahead and describe this "middle ground" in great detail. this should describe, with many examples, exactly how a middle ground guy gets pussy rather than finding friends. and since you know plenty of these dudes, im sure youll have a great explaination as to why you are not with them. begin.

Try to be more irrational. Really. You're almost giving me a glimer of hope that you might not be a troll. So just finish it off.

I know a lot of guys who are assholes. Why am I not with them? Is it that I'm the one exception to your great rule? Jackass.

I'm not sure I even see your point here. Do you have one? Are you trying to say that the guys who you admit are pathetic deserve to be with chicks even though their whiney pieces of shit? Seriously, if this is your argument I fear for mankind. And the argument that there is no middle ground between walking vaginas and near rapists is insane. I think I'll actually just cut off the conversation here.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

notice how you conveniently missed the other half of that analogy. so here it is: youll see many women claim they need time to get to know a guy, trust a guy and be comfortable with a guy before they can open up sexually. guys who do no "understand and accept" this are considered insensitive.

so why arent you out flying the flag that says "hey guys, if she wont take it up the ass on the first date, dump her. why should you wait around to see if she will get less dull with time? youd rather have a girl who wasnt a prude initially!"? dont get me wrong, im not at all opposed to girls going for the exciting guy who doesnt give a fuck about them. that makes my life easy and fun. but dont bitch about wanting a guy that cares about you then.

God dammit. You're so misguided I have to respond. Not being willing to open up sexually and not being willing to have intelligent conversation are two different issues. If I'm trying to see if a guy is worth dating, I would like to be able to talk to him and not have him be stepping around issues and generally being an idiot so he will be seen as a gentleman. This is important because it's an important show of what kind of person he is. If I'm on a date with a chick and she's being nice and cool and providing me with stimulating conversation, but not putting out, I can live with that. It's her character that matters. Same with guys and girls. Now, if you're trying to say that the chick's willingness to fuck you is as important as the quality of her character, this "nice guy" thing doesn't really apply to you

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Try to be more irrational. Really. You're almost giving me a glimer of hope that you might not be a troll. So just finish it off.

I know a lot of guys who are assholes. Why am I not with them? Is it that I'm the one exception to your great rule? Jackass.

I'm not sure I even see your point here. Do you have one? Are you trying to say that the guys who you admit are pathetic deserve to be with chicks even though their whiney pieces of shit? Seriously, if this is your argument I fear for mankind. And the argument that there is no middle ground between walking vaginas and near rapists is insane. I think I'll actually just cut off the conversation here.

here lets make it real simple for you.

most pussy guys exsist because they take advice on how to treat women from women themselves. women claim to want what these guys are when they clearly do not.

women are pussies. on the whole they are giant fucking cowards. exactly the thing they do not want.

"near rapists" are just guys who know what they are doing. you get women by giving them what their body wants, not what they say they want. you get fucked by turning a girl on, not by treating her like the stereotypical gentleman.

and finally: while a vast number of women expect a man to wait for her to open up sexually, women will not do the same for these pussy men. they want a guy to wait until shes ready to get fucked, but will not wait for a guy to be ready to show his entire personality. thus women find these pussy men to be nothing but that, all the while never taking the time to find out. why? a spoiled sense of entitlement.

Women aren't saying that they want a guy licking her butthole at all hours of the fucking day. My point is that what they say they want and what you hear are two different things. She says she wants a nice guy. You think that means she wants a pansy. But is that what she said? Oops, looks like you're a dumb twat. Girls don't want the asshole guy for a boyfriend. They want him for a fuck. They actually do want a decent man to date, but guys like you can't see the middle ground.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Now, if you're trying to say that the chick's willingness to fuck you is as important as the quality of her character, this "nice guy" thing doesn't really apply to you

no shit stupid, what have i said like 5 times now? i know this whole nice guy thing doesnt hurt me personally, but i still think its worth looking at on a deeper level. to me a girls sexuality is a huge part of whether or not i would date her. i simply cannot be with a girl whos an immature dipshit like most women. if she isnt attracted to me by the first date, i dont want er. and if she is attracted to me but she is too much of a coward to admit it, i definately do not want her.

but that isnt the point. the point is one persons comfort level and another persons lack of concern thereof. like i said previously, what have you done to fix this "nice guy" problem? simply whining because you werent entertained (and im just so sure you are the highlight of many a guys night) does nothing. then again, you lump being entertainment quality with character quality, so what the fuck do you know?

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

1) Women aren't saying that they want a guy licking her butthole at all hours of the fucking day.

2)Girls don't want the asshole guy for a boyfriend. They want him for a fuck.

3)They actually do want a decent man to date, but guys like you can't see the middle ground.

1) yes they do.

2) yes i know. thats what makes it such an obvious choice. you get to use your dick and act how you want. no kissing ass, no putting up with shit, no hassles.

3) no they dont. they want to tame the asshole and date him. they want to keep the sexual attraction but change him into a stand up guy who take care of her emotional retardation.

Its reasons like this that nice guys get shit on and turn into emo kids.

In my experience with girls...they can be very brutal...never say what they mean, and two faced. You can give them everything they want and they still wont be happy.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

no shit stupid, what have i said like 5 times now?

That wasn't exactly my point. I was calling you an asshole. Guess you're a bit dense.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

like i said previously, what have you done to fix this "nice guy" problem? simply whining because you werent entertained (and im just so sure you are the highlight of many a guys night) does nothing. then again, you lump being entertainment quality with character quality, so what the fuck do you know?

I haven't done anything to make the guy less of a boring loser. I have done nothing to "fix the problem" because this guy's problem is no concern to me. He's boring and steps around conversation topics so I'll think he's nice. Why would I want to stay with a guy I don't like? Because he might turn out to be okay? You're stupid.

But if a girl won't put out (I guess I have to say this again because you didn't pay attention the first time) it's not as big of a deal because I care more about who she is than whether or not she'll fuck me on the first date.

If I'm boring a guy, he should leave. If he's boring me, I should leave. If we're having sexual issues, leave. There's no reason to stick around if you don't like what's going on. While I think a guy (or girl) shouldn't care as much about having sex with some chick (or guy) on the first date as much as he (or she) cares about character and being with a good person, not everyone has to go by my rules. If you want a slutty broad and she wants a boring gentleman, great. Have a nice time. But if you want a slutty broad and she isn't one, don't be a bitch about it. Just don't be with her. And If I want a normal guy and you're a gentleman, I'll just leave. Plenty of fish in the sea

It could be possible that you're all coming across dumb chicks, then generalizing. I never said I wanted a guy licking my anus. That could be your problem. Some dumbass says she wants a guy to be a pussy and you take that to mean that she's talking for every woman. So you get upset when another chick doesn't want the ass-licker

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

I haven't done anything to make the guy less of a boring loser. I have done nothing to "fix the problem" because this guy's problem is no concern to me. He's boring and steps around conversation topics so I'll think he's nice. Why would I want to stay with a guy I don't like? Because he might turn out to be okay? You're stupid.

But if a girl won't put out (I guess I have to say this again because you didn't pay attention the first time) it's not as big of a deal because I care more about who she is than whether or not she'll fuck me on the first date.

If I'm boring a guy, he should leave. If he's boring me, I should leave. If we're having sexual issues, leave. There's no reason to stick around if you don't like what's going on. While I think a guy (or girl) shouldn't care as much about having sex with some chick (or guy) on the first date as much as he (or she) cares about character and being with a good person, not everyone has to go by my rules. If you want a slutty broad and she wants a boring gentleman, great. Have a nice time. But if you want a slutty broad and she isn't one, don't be a bitch about it. Just don't be with her. And If I want a normal guy and you're a gentleman, I'll just leave. Plenty of fish in the sea

you keep saying things over and over but you never really try to pick out things that apply to the subject at hand. somehow being boring has something to do with character and being a good person to you. whatever.

but atleast understand a simple analogy before trying to use it to make your point. here, ill type it up for a third time. this time ill use different stresses so you can perhaps grasp a very simple concept.

girl -- isnt ready for sexual acts --- time frame doesnt matter -- societal expectations dictate that a good guy understands and accepts this.

guy -- isnt ready to open up his personality -- societal expectations do not dictate that a woman understands and accepts this.

the part that makes them similar: the person is not ready for several reasons. they are shy, emotionally unready and scared.

the part that makes them different: the expectation, especially from the female side of society is for the men to wait for the woman but not for women to wait for the man.

the part that doesnt have a goddamn thing to do with the point: whether the sex is more important than entertainment.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

It could be possible that you're all coming across dumb chicks, then generalizing. I never said I wanted a guy licking my anus. That could be your problem. Some dumbass says she wants a guy to be a pussy and you take that to mean that she's talking for every woman. So you get upset when another chick doesn't want the ass-licker

when a restaurant decides which drinks to keep on tap, do they ask you? since we cant be sure youll know the answer, ill tell you. they look at common opinion from the population they anticipate to serve. they then decide which to keep on tap by measure of which are most popular. there may be individuals who like none of the choices the restaurant chooses to stock.

lets see if you can figure this brain teaser out.

jesus christ for the sake of the sanity of everyone who bothers to read this will you two just agree to disagree!!!

you obviously won't agree on anything so just one of you be big and give it up and the other one don't write anything just let it die in peace....please??? think of the children!!!

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

when a restaurant decides which drinks to keep on tap, do they ask you? since we cant be sure youll know the answer, ill tell you. they look at common opinion from the population they anticipate to serve. they then decide which to keep on tap by measure of which are most popular. there may be individuals who like none of the choices the restaurant chooses to stock.



That is in no way related. I understand that some things are popular. Thanks for that. But this has nothing to do with the conversation. Now if your example had been some lady asking the bartender for a martini and him getting mad when he serves it to me and I don't want it, that would make sense.

About the sex/character thing, my point is that you can't compare them. A guy is expected to accept that a girl won't have sex with him initially (which is what you originally said before changing the topic). But a girl is not expected to accept that a guy eats babies. Is this a double standard? No because they're not the same thing.

As for me bringing up guys being boring, I meant that they're "nice," which is what we've been talking about, no?

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

That is in no way related. I understand that some things are popular. Thanks for that. But this has nothing to do with the conversation. Now if your example had been some lady asking the bartender for a martini and him getting mad when he serves it to me and I don't want it, that would make sense.

About the sex/character thing, my point is that you can't compare them. A guy is expected to accept that a girl won't have sex with him initially (which is what you originally said before changing the topic). But a girl is not expected to accept that a guy eats babies. Is this a double standard? No because they're not the same thing.

As for me bringing up guys being boring, I meant that they're "nice," which is what we've been talking about, no?

to read my response to this, go read one of many topics where i corrected your inability to read or understand very simple analogies. im not going to explain popularity to you. im also not going to try to figure out how you can insert eating babies for being introverted.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

im also not going to try to figure out how you can insert eating babies for being introverted.

yeah... I'm the one who doesn't get analogies

Wow, I diddn't realize this post woudl get so many responses. Being a nice guy, doesnt mean your a pansy. it means you know how women should be treated. This is based on how you were raised, and probably how you saw your mom treated by your dad. Being nice doesn't make you boring at all. If a girl thinks that, she doesn't know what she wants and is into the whole wanna be thug theme or whatever. And inface those are the pussies. "The queiet ones... them be the killas, now you tell me whats realer?" Anyways thats all I have to say about that.

p.s glitterpunk, I dont think you know whats goin on... with anything. Gather your thoughts some more.. or seek counseling..

quote:Originally posted by Psychotogen:

p.s glitterpunk, I dont think you know whats goin on... with anything. Gather your thoughts some more.. or seek counseling..

I would fight you on that, but I've been kind of sleep deprived and confused. But this basically only means that I'm poorly communicating my opinions here and assuming people are more intuitive than they are. This does not mean that you're not a huge pussy. The other asshole whose name escapes me right now is still irrational and stupid.

I do resent the counceling bit. Just because I'll admit that sometimes chicks don't like me for me instead of pretending that they're all insane doesn't mean that I need to seek help. However, it's clear that you have trouble with knowing the difference between fantasy and reality. You might need help. Or drugs. Or nads

I'm gonna go and just kinda chime in here, with some minor experience on the situation (not much, but hey, I'm still young).



My experience has shown that the average girl is going to accept whatever face you put forward. Nice guys (not me, I learned very recently that I'm quite a bastard) tend to not put much personality forward on contact with women, because they are interested in bending to the girls whims, as a demonstration of chivalry and gentlemanly manners. This gives the women the impression of a yes-man, however. This leads to them becoming disinterested. Jerks don't put a whole lot of their true personality forward either (most of the time, they KNOW they're jerks), but because they're less focused on bending over backward for the girl, they come off as more lively and interesting. This is where I feel this argument is rooted.

Girls who profess to want a nice guy are generally reasonably serious. However, they miss the obvious "natural" nice guys and try to change the "asshole" guys because they're more interesting right off the bat.

Possible solutions--

Nice guys- Remember that relationships are a constant give and take. Nice guys have to be prepared to take once in awhile; otherwise you're her slave, not her boyfriend.

Ignorant girls- For god's sake spend a little more time with the boring guy. Most of the time, you've never seen the true depth of their personality.

There IS a middle ground here. Glitterpunk is in fact kind of advocating it, once you get past all the rather heartless "ball-less pussy" insults. But she misses that it's not ALL the guy's fault. True, nice guys could solve their problem by being a bit less nice, but women could stand to be a bit MORE nice once in awhile. Women could spend a few extra dates getting to know someone who is nice to them; otherwise, they'll catch a whole lot more assholes than fish.

are you bitching and moaning because your bored or because you just got rejected?

quote:Originally posted by tokaygecko:

they miss the obvious "natural" nice guys and try to change the "asshole" guys because they're more interesting right off the bat.

Now, someone please get this man a prize! Well done, my friend. Way to be diplomatic.

A brief moment of introduction: been here a while, never saw any reason to post other than self interest. Everything to be said is usually already said, and what I'm about to say certainly has been, but here's my take/summary of this issue:

To get women you can't give a shit about them. Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet, keep reading.

Women want to independently "choose" a guy. They don't want a guy trying to show them he's "the right choice", because it feels like he's lying to her, and in many cases he is.

It's okay to care about a woman, to want to know how she works, to want to comfort her, to want to be there for her. You just can't express those feelings, (at least not until the right time) because it seems like you're doing them for selfish reasons (getting her to like you).

More to the point, women like "jerks" because these guys have the attitude of not giving a shit, usually about anyone, and certainly not about women. This causes women to "look deeper" and see that better guy which is always inside the jerk, who is only corrupted by circumstances.

Nice guys, on the other hand, are usually lying to women to get something, true, although there are genuine nice guys. These genuine nice guys still don't get the girlies, because the fake nice guys have fucked it up for them!

More important is the sexual issue. The genuine nice guys who aren't actually terribly interested in sex (they do exist, and they never get any, because no chick is going to give unwanted sex to them) don't get in relationships much, because most (if not all) chicks want (at least at some point) sex! They often hide that well, and there have to be the right conditions, but they do. There are already pages on the psychological issues of sexual attraction, so I won't go into that.

My point for now is that genuine nice guys who are uninterested in or know little about sex just don't get the juices flowing, and yes I mean those juices. "Nice guys" who are just hiding their interest in sex are being deceptive, and girls almost always see through them and won't sleep with them. So called "jerks" on the other hand, are usually quite sexually secure, know what they want, and go for it. They always wet their lady's panties, because they know what's up, and a chick will (almost) always respond to that.

So if sex is your goal in life, here are your instructions:

Guys: You don't have to be a jerk to get girls, you just can't be what you're not to get them. If you want a girl, stop worrying if they want you or not. Just as we've been told all this fucking time, "be yourself", and don't give a shit what anyone thinks. Go for what you want no matter what anyone says, and you will get it.

Girls: Keep doing what you've been doing, because you aren't going to change no matter what I say. It would be nice though, if you would can the "I want a nice guy" bullshit, because although it is true in some way, it is horribly misleading.

If, on the other hand, you are cursed like me and not interested in sex as your primary goal of existence, although it is nice in certain circumstances, I'm sad to tell you this:

You will never be happy. Start putting out, because no one wants what you want, and if they do, they probably misunderstand what they want. Take what is obvious to you and put it to use to start having sex. If all goes well, you will start to just want sex, or at least maybe get what you do want as a side effect of all that sex.

Bitternessed!

I may be way off on some things, but I think I've been rather fair and correct in my observations.

Edit: unclear thought patterns and minor grammar.



[This message has been edited by Profoundly Foolish (edited 02-16-2004).]