kind of a stupid questionbut seriously...what gets a girls attention. i mean like what do guys do to get a girls attention without making it look like they "are" trying to. you get wat i mean? like lets say shes talkin wit her friends or doin something else and you want her to come to you instead of going to her. well if you could help me out that would be great. im kinda tired of always having to make first moves or starting a convorsation going. thnxs 4 ur help

A big penis... yup, that's right.

Next time you're out on the town just walk up to a girl and flop your bad boy out... if she's seated walk up behind and just slap it down on her shoulder, or walk straight up to her and give her forehead a couple of good hearty thumps with the tip...

Guaranteed results my friend...

Umm... seriously, the only quality that most women like is confidence. You walk and talk like your confident, you'll become a chick magnet.

Incorrect... some chicks love weak men, men they can manipulate and twist, men with self-confidence issues that they can easily bend to their own will...

What kind of guy you are determines what kind of girl you attract. But basically, you just have to be a guy... that's it... that's the huge secret to attracting women, just BE a guy.

quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

A big penis... yup, that's right.

Next time you're out on the town just walk up to a girl and flop your bad boy out... if she's seated walk up behind and just slap it down on her shoulder, or walk straight up to her and give her forehead a couple of good hearty thumps with the tip...

Guaranteed results my friend...

Funniest thing I've heard all day. This gets the award.

NO SARC wants ramen noodles, not an award.

OR MAYBE she wants a cookie

Being a badass.

quote:Originally posted by KriminalMinded:

Being a badass.

Its my experience that this will drive more girls away than it will attract, unless they're actually girls, when they're still in middle school they like that. Once they enter high school and grow mentally (and physically), most of them get over that pretty quick. I'm gonna go with what sarc said though, the second thing, not the first, cause the first would get LEGAL attention instead of the good kind. Just be a guy, act like you've got a pair, and talk to her. As corny as it sounds, be yourself, trust me, you don't want to be in a relationship where you're acting something you aren't.

As much as some guys would like to believe such a thing exists, there simply is no magic formula, either a substance or "rules of behavior" that will attract the females. It's in the same category as "get rich quick" schemes. They don't work and end up making you look ridiculous.

As with getting rich, if you want female attention, you have to work at it a bit. God knows we females have to work at it. I hate to sound like your mother, but a neat appearance, good posture and decent attitude toward people in general go a LONG way. This doesn't mean expensive clothes and walking around like you have a stick up your ass; it simply means being reasonably clean and well-groomed, keeping your chin up (I'm put off by those who seem to be looking at the ground all the time, and being able to look people in the eye.

And try to excel at something. Find something you're good at, or that you enjoy, and do it well. This could be academics, club involvements, athletics, music, art, or whatever. Females tend to be attracted to guys who show a willingness to work hard and be good at something.

i'm going to say this because women are shallow.

learn to play the guitar and they'll be all over you.

i personally dont tell them i play untill later in the relationship.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

NO SARC wants ramen noodles, not an award.

OR MAYBE she wants a cookie

I think she gets a cookie, ramen noodles, and an award for that.

Of course, I can steal the ramen from my roommate, fold a piece of paper into a star, and I like any excuse to buy cookies, so I suppose that's not as meaningful as it could be.

whatever you do, dont look to women for advice on how to get women. you will never, ever get the truth from their lips. keep in mind, the goal isnt to pick up EVERY woman, just a lot. how to do that? look at other guys who are getting some and figure out what it is that they have or they do, then youll know. being "yourself" definately isnt going to work unless "yourself" is already getting you chicks. obviously its not, so dont even bother trying that method.

from what ive learned, its all about manipulation and con games. you have to figure out how to play your target and execute the plan you develope. if you can get good at that, you can pick up tons of chicks. a good way to start is to be a bit of a bad boy. be exciting, maybe even a little dangerous. and then heres the little secret that gets a lot of them to fall for it: when you are alone, do something atleast mildly sensitive or sweet. just open up a door to you having a caring, emotional side and its case closed. a lot of women will lie and tell you this doesnt work, but it does, trust me.

^^STFU, moron.

ok somebody said confidence, umm err neh.

i dont liek guys with the confidenc ei liek the oppsite. i suppose the more typical blonde cheerleader type would want a confident guy but, there needs 2 b a weakness a girl can tend to so she feels like your not better than her.

personaly, i think it sin the HAIR. alot gets me with a guys hair.

black, or multi coloured, if its gelled, it makes the guy FRIKIN HOT. just make ur hair a lil differant from the other guys. BLUE hair is hoit, but only if ur a blue hair type of guy.

mrman383.... you are the most clueless little dick... I was being honest. If some guy came up and thunked me in the forehead with his penis (and it was big enough) I'd probably end up going home with him... so there.

And I'll take the cookie... chocolate chip please.

[This message has been edited by Sarcophagus (edited 02-04-2004).]

just tape a mirror to your face.....



zing!

dude, seriously just be yourself. everyone is different and that makes every girls tastes different right? well odds are one is going to like you and your persona. you just have to find her. be your self, and never give up cause you got rejected theres plenty more were she came from.

edit:sorry for the spelling and grammer ppls

quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

just BE a guy.



A typical guy?

A romantic guy?

A mysterious guy?

Could you be more precise.

What ever kind of guy you happen to be, just BE that kind of guy. Whatever you are naturally! If you're mysterious, BE mysterious. If you're goofy, be goofy! If you're romantic, be romantic... just be YOU! Be the REAL you! That way we don't fall for some act that we will expect you to keep on performing for the duration of our relationship... you don't want to be stuck playing Mr Romance if it really isn't your style, now do you?

If you are yourself (whatever yourself happens to be) from the very start, and we're actually attracted to you, then it's happily ever after.

If you just put on some show to attract us then you're either stuck in a universe of repeat performances, or you lose us.

quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

What ever kind of guy you happen to be, just BE that kind of guy. Whatever you are naturally! If you're mysterious, BE mysterious. If you're goofy, be goofy! If you're romantic, be romantic... just be YOU! Be the REAL you! That way we don't fall for some act that we will expect you to keep on performing for the duration of our relationship... you don't want to be stuck playing Mr Romance if it really isn't your style, now do you?

If you are yourself (whatever yourself happens to be) from the very start, and we're actually attracted to you, then it's happily ever after.

If you just put on some show to attract us then you're either stuck in a universe of repeat performances, or you lose us.

but see, that cuts down on the number of girls you can get. so why be one of those when you can be them all? figure out what she wants and be that. its not hard to make it work for the duration of the "relationship". i mean thats what, 20 minutes in a bathroom stall? i think most guys can stay in character that long. besides, its always better to be getting laid than to be "yourself" and be home jerking off. in reality, its not really acting, its just showing different sides of yourself that fit what turns a specific girl on.

Mrman383, you sir are the kind of person who gets shoved into the bathroom and the ever living shit beat out of him around here. And he didn't ask what got the MOST girls number wise, he asked what got the attention of girls, if you form a specific persona for a girl then you will only attract that girl and ones similar to her. If you are yourself, you don't womanize(especially in one club/set of clubs/or town), and you don't manipulate. Cause no matter what, women are always the great manipulators. Many of the best spies in history have been women, do you know why that is? Because they have God given talents that lend them to this. Now, many ignore their talents, but still all the same. You did have one thing right, the be somewhat dangerous/mysterious, then open a door to your emotional side. Nine times out of ten this will not work, but you shouldn't do it if you aren't already dangerous/mysterious or if in your case you have no heart to have softer emotions. I say sarc is right, she is afterall a FEMALE and I afterall am a guy who has traveled a complete circle on the spectrum of women I've dated from the badass, tapping it in the church parking lot type, to the ditzy blonde, the normal(hardest type yet to find), and the most awesome chick on God's green earth, although I haven't dated that last type yet, I'm working really hard on it. Sure if you want to play the field, and have meaningless relationships that amount to nothing (aka, you're a normal guy) then by all means, follow Mrman's advice, but if you are above that, and desire something more meaningful, then ignore him and listen to people like sarc.

quote:Originally posted by firebird:

Mrman383, you sir are the kind of person who gets shoved into the bathroom and the ever living shit beat out of him around here. And he didn't ask what got the MOST girls number wise, he asked what got the attention of girls, if you form a specific persona for a girl then you will only attract that girl and ones similar to her. If you are yourself, you don't womanize(especially in one club/set of clubs/or town), and you don't manipulate. Cause no matter what, women are always the great manipulators. Many of the best spies in history have been women, do you know why that is? Because they have God given talents that lend them to this. Now, many ignore their talents, but still all the same. You did have one thing right, the be somewhat dangerous/mysterious, then open a door to your emotional side. Nine times out of ten this will not work, but you shouldn't do it if you aren't already dangerous/mysterious or if in your case you have no heart to have softer emotions. I say sarc is right, she is afterall a FEMALE and I afterall am a guy who has traveled a complete circle on the spectrum of women I've dated from the badass, tapping it in the church parking lot type, to the ditzy blonde, the normal(hardest type yet to find), and the most awesome chick on God's green earth, although I haven't dated that last type yet, I'm working really hard on it. Sure if you want to play the field, and have meaningless relationships that amount to nothing (aka, you're a normal guy) then by all means, follow Mrman's advice, but if you are above that, and desire something more meaningful, then ignore him and listen to people like sarc.

hmm, strange. first you start off saying id get beaten, which is odd because i dont. obviously though i must be getting beaten for succeeding in what i described. then you say it doesnt work, fails 9 times out of 10, spy women, blah blah. then you go back to saying that it works. i dont know if you dont have your mind made up or what, but ill make an attempt to respond.

women are easily manipulated. why? because its easy to control someone who takes a lot of direction from emotions.

as far as the badass/nice guy routine... well i think everyone, myself included has these qualities already. here you are not trying to act out qualities you do not have, but simply choose when and how to show them. you dont change your personality, you pick and choose which part of you is best in a particular moment. people do this all the time. take job interviews for example. people stress their qualifications and qualities on their resume and in their interview. they want to speak about how hard they work and how dependable they are. they dont usually start talking about how sometimes getting up for work is a miserable experience. same thing here, you show the woman what you want her to see in order to get her to "hire" you.

finally, the part about "real relationships". well heres how i view that. im open to a loving relationship with a girl i deeply care for. however im not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass waiting for that to happen. by doing what i do, i meet a lot of women. i always go in giving her a chance to show me she has something worthwhile about her, other than sex. when she proves herself worthless other than a fuckhole, i go ahead and enjoy her finest quality. if i ever meet one that meets my standards for a "relationship" girl, then i will give her the chance she deserves. the whole point is, you cant make someone who doesnt suck come along. i am certainly not going to lead a sexless, boring, depressing life in order to wait for "her" to come along.

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See, if you kept making sense like this instead of rambling on like an angry little shit, &TOTSE life would be a good deal better. It's too bad what you say only makes sense from the angle of tagging as many girls as possible.. if you've done this as much as you imply, and you've never had any negative consequences as a result, you're a lucky guy.

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

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See, if you kept making sense like this instead of rambling on like an angry little shit, &TOTSE life would be a good deal better. It's too bad what you say only makes sense from the angle of tagging as many girls as possible.. if you've done this as much as you imply, and you've never had any negative consequences as a result, you're a lucky guy.

if i "made sense" to you all the time, it wouldnt be fun for me. if you really read my posts carefully and took the real over-the-top stuff as something tongue in cheek, i probably wouldnt get the funny, emotional replies.

my method is fine for finding that special girl you want to love. theres nothing stopping you from having that. however, unlike the "wait around for her ass to show up" method, you get to enjoy your life while you wait for that possibility. sure, id love to own a porsche. but until if and when i get one, im still going to use other means of transportation rather than be a shut in.

finally, im not saying ive fucked more girls than anyone. hell, i havent even fucked more girls than some of my friends. but i have pulled off some wild shit and ive enjoyed myself. what problems would i have? i didnt knock anyone up and ive tested clean every year. the way i see it, if you have the mind to pull off this shit, you should have the mind to protect your ass from child support.

Just hang out with your wang out. If she likes what she sees, she'll suck it MK sexality styles. If a bear is hungry it WILL eat. No, seriously, confidence and talking smooth is good. don't compliment really hot chicks, those stuck up bitches know they are hot and will absorb them like a sponge. just say hey, how are you, get the number asap, but don't give your number, you want the control.

Yeah, first you buy her a sausage, this will break the ice

Then you go for a romantic walk on the beach singing the Oscar Meyer Wiener song, while walking your Dachsund

Then you go to the snake petting zoo

THEN you whip it out and start slapping her face with it.

EDIT: post was not funny

The one thing that will get more women than anything regardless of what they like is a set of chiseled abs minus the ego.

You usually don't even have to say a word, a casual shirt lift or if she touches your stomach and feels them you are in.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

whatever you do, dont look to women for advice on how to get women. you will never, ever get the truth from their lips.

This is so true. But I don’t think they are lying. Girls don’t know how to pick up girls. They never do it, and they have no fucking clue how hard it is. If you want to learn how to do something, anything, you have to talk to someone who does it well.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

the goal isnt to pick up EVERY woman, just a lot. how to do that? look at other guys who are getting some and figure out what it is that they have or they do, then youll know.

yep yep…why would you try anything else?

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

being "yourself" definately isnt going to work unless "yourself" is already getting you chicks. obviously its not, so dont even bother trying that method.



LOL! That is one way to say it. I think there are different ways to define “being yourself.” The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If you get no action, you need to change something. Even if it is just going up to girls and start saying “hi”, you need to start somewhere. If you are really shy some may see that as changing yourself, and some may see that as presenting yourself differently. I see it as both. You try to improve yourself and present yourself in the best possible way. You should not have to change your core values though unless you are a major asshole.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

from what ive learned, its all about manipulation and con games. you have to figure out how to play your target and execute the plan you develope. if you can get good at that, you can pick up tons of chicks. a good way to start is to be a bit of a bad boy. be exciting, maybe even a little dangerous. and then heres the little secret that gets a lot of them to fall for it: when you are alone, do something atleast mildly sensitive or sweet. just open up a door to you having a caring, emotional side and its case closed.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20031016-4-004598.html

I think the terms “manipulation” and “con games” are drawing your criticism. Those terms can mean a lot of things. On the one hand there is a guy that says he loves a girl he doesn’t. He talks about forever while he would never consider it. He basically will say anything and everything with total disregard for the consequences for his victim. While that may yield short term results, that is not me.

There are other types of games though. In the recent honesty thread, we talked about how some truths may be better left unsaid. Spiffy made a good point:

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

And, speaking of honesty, let's have a little more: You can get away unscathed with damn near any truth if you say it right.

This could be considered a form of manipulation or game. You choose a way to communicate that you know will change the reaction of the person you are speaking to. This is not wrong, IMO. It actually is good relationship skills. There are many good ways to manipulate. If there are several ways to talk about something about myself, and I know one is going to turn her off and one will turn her on, guess which one I am going to pick? If some topics about me will bore or disgust her, and some will arouse her, guess what I am going to talk about? Learning the words that have emotional meanings for her and using them is a great way to build a bond. Just crawling up in her head, finding out what makes her react to what, and stimulating and teasing her mind, like you would her body, till she craves you more than anyone is just a fun and effective form of manipulation. Play her like a piano; she will love it; just don’t be malicious or irresponsible about it.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

a lot of women will lie and tell you this doesnt work, but it does, trust me.

I don’t think they are lying, but I do think they are wrong.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

in reality, its not really acting, its just showing different sides of yourself that fit what turns a specific girl on.

There is the key. You are not changing your core self. You are presenting yourself in a more attractive form and adapting to your audience. Communication is for the listener, not the speaker. If you talk the same way to different girls, you are just lazy or ignorant.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

women are easily manipulated. why? because its easy to control someone who takes a lot of direction from emotions.



This is true. Once you can trigger different emotions in a woman, things get a lot less complicated. Once again I must reiterate that you must not be malicious about it.

These “games” also work well on women because they don’t expect it. Way more women play them than men, so they often catch them off guard.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

as far as the badass/nice guy routine... well i think everyone, myself included has these qualities already. here you are not trying to act out qualities you do not have, but simply choose when and how to show them. you dont change your personality, you pick and choose which part of you is best in a particular moment. people do this all the time. take job interviews for example. people stress their qualifications and qualities on their resume and in their interview. they want to speak about how hard they work and how dependable they are. they dont usually start talking about how sometimes getting up for work is a miserable experience. same thing here, you show the woman what you want her to see in order to get her to "hire" you.

Well said. You are not really changing or misrepresenting yourself. You are presenting yourself in the best possible light for your current audience.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

finally, the part about "real relationships". well heres how i view that. im open to a loving relationship with a girl i deeply care for. however im not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass waiting for that to happen. by doing what i do, i meet a lot of women. i always go in giving her a chance to show me she has something worthwhile about her, other than sex. when she proves herself worthless other than a fuckhole, i go ahead and enjoy her finest quality. if i ever meet one that meets my standards for a "relationship" girl, then i will give her the chance she deserves. the whole point is, you cant make someone who doesnt suck come along. i am certainly not going to lead a sexless, boring, depressing life in order to wait for "her" to come along.

I think most people would agree with the basic premise you are getting across, but the way you said it will piss a lot of people off.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

if i "made sense" to you all the time, it wouldnt be fun for me. if you really read my posts carefully and took the real over-the-top stuff as something tongue in cheek, i probably wouldnt get the funny, emotional replies.



LOL

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

my method is fine for finding that special girl you want to love. theres nothing stopping you from having that. however, unlike the "wait around for her ass to show up" method, you get to enjoy your life while you wait for that possibility. sure, id love to own a porsche. but until if and when i get one, im still going to use other means of transportation rather than be a shut in.



Great analogy.

I'm wondering how some of you are able to keep up a charade for long by copping a new personality for different females. Isn't the ability to do so a symptom of a type of schizophrenia? Probably works on less intelligent women, but so does anything else.

And it would be nice if some of this male bravado were backed up by (preferably factual) anecdotes where such tactics worked. How you met her, how she responded, how you spent time together, how long did you maintain a relationship/friendship. Of course, anything can be fabricated to prove a point, but enough with the theory...let's hear it in practice!

ur right cindy, games would never work on a woman as intelligent as you..

i take it all back

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

I think the terms “manipulation” and “con games” are drawing your criticism. Those terms can mean a lot of things. On the one hand there is a guy that says he loves a girl he doesn’t. He talks about forever while he would never consider it. He basically will say anything and everything with total disregard for the consequences for his victim. While that may yield short term results, that is not me.

i know those terms draw an emotional response, thats why its so fun to use them. however, they are correct. the manipulation is just as you said; showing the parts of your personality that will most help you to accomplish your goal. i find it funny to see people get outraged by the language used to describe a practice that many females here have endorsed. in a recent thread several members said that telling a girl what she wants to hear (weight isnt an issue, you dont think shes gaining weight/losing her attractiveness) is more important than telling her the blunt truth (shes letting herself go, overweight women are unnattractive).

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

I'm wondering how some of you are able to keep up a charade for long by copping a new personality for different females. Isn't the ability to do so a symptom of a type of schizophrenia? Probably works on less intelligent women, but so does anything else.

And it would be nice if some of this male bravado were backed up by (preferably factual) anecdotes where such tactics worked. How you met her, how she responded, how you spent time together, how long did you maintain a relationship/friendship. Of course, anything can be fabricated to prove a point, but enough with the theory...let's hear it in practice!

as i see it, this is deceiving. i think you simply dont believe this sort of thing could work on you because of an ego that will not allow you to accept the possibility. its an arrogant proposal designed for you to be able to discredit the accounts of men who claim to be able to do this and/or to claim these women are dumb, slutty, etc. but you know what? as much as i doubt youd ever allow yourself to believe what im about to share with you, ill go ahead and do it. why? because i simply do not care if you choose not to believe it. in fact, your inability to accept it is rather comical. ill even start you off with a story about a young woman who had this very same attitude. she believed she was far too intelligent to have a guy pull this over on her. so heeere we go.

i met this girl through a friend who had gone to her high school. i started things off innocently enough, talking to her about whatever was on her mind and telling her about recent events in my own life. she was curious about the parties i told her about and the fun i told her i had at them. at the time she had a boyfriend who she had been with for a couple years. he lacked a wild, exciting side but she described him as a nice guy who was very sweet, if not a little needy. she had asked me many times to take her out somewhere to have some fun, so late one night i invited her to go out to "talk" and "hang out".

we went to a park near her house and took a walk. i did the little things that help make a girl tip her hand, innocent flirting with my eyes, gentle joking and sexual innuendo, etc. the response was rather shy, but interested. so i turned the conversation to her boyfriend and got her talking about how he bored her and how she never got to have fun anymore and how the sex was so bland she didnt really care if they did it anymore. i turned this around and emphasized his "positive" qualities. i told her how he was "always going to be there for her" and how he was "mature in the relationship, almost how your parents are". this is where she tried to show me how brilliant she was. she told me she knew what i was doing and that she didnt fall for guys who try to talk her into bed. now at this point, im pretty much completely unnattracted to her. but, this would be a wonderful opportunity to really fuck with a cocky bitch and since thats not my usual style, i took it as a fun, new challange. i backed off that night and let things go for a while.

after several other innocent outings, we went out for another one-on-one. at this point she was attracted to me, but wasnt going to up and leave her man to make a move. however, she was curious/unsure of my feelings toward her. she asked me how i felt and if i was attracted to her, etc. i told her i didnt see why she needed me to tell her these things. after all, i had gone out with her many times and we always had fun. why did she need verbal reassurance? then i told her that i was not the kind of guy to sweet talk a girl into bed and even though she was giving me an open opportunity to tell her just what she wanted to hear, i wasnt going to take the bait. i said i didnt want anything to happen between us because of me saying the right things, i wanted things to happen because of natural chemistry. i continued this fun little lie by telling her how she was smarter than people gave her credit for and wasnt like those dumb hoes who fall for every cute, sweet talker out there. you see, these are things she loves about herself, but not many people ever compliment her on. usually shes told shes beautiful or funny or some other nonsense. the fun part for me here was talking my way into her pants by telling her i wasnt going to try to talk my way into her pants. by stroking her large ego and subtly turning her down, i gave her the opportunity to do what she wanted to do: have her exciting, fun guy but actually believe that she was in control. she didnt get sweet talked, tricked or otherwise bruise her delusional self image, but she chose to get sexual with a guy she thought she had right where she wanted.

after i had told her all of that, she told me that she did feel a chemistry between us. i told her i didnt want to come between her and her boyfriend. i put it like this "hes such a sweet guy for you, where would he be if you left him? i dont want him to be so unhappy." this time the subtle cut against her boyfriends failings (the needs, the clingy quality, the lack of balls) worked like a charm. she said she was sick of being bored with the guy who just wants to buy her things and watch movies at home. she said she had grown away from him and towards me. she then asked if she could find out how far her feelings toward me had come. she wanted to kiss me and see if she felt anything. we kissed and obviously she felt something (probably in my pants... i kid, i kid).

that night we fucked in my car, of all places. as pissed as i was that i had to manuver in the back of a mustang and that she got mud on my door speaker, it was a fun time. the sex was rather passionate, although more on her side than mine, but i guess her man hadnt got the job done in a while so me getting her going was more than enough to make her open up and enjoy herself. ive had better sex, but the mental satisfaction of having fucked her and now was able to dump her AND have her boyfriend know she cheated was wonderful. i took her home, gave her best friend a call (and the heads up on the sex) the next day and have never returned her calls or talked to her since. was is mean? hell yes. but was it worth it to do to a girl what she so arrogantly claimed couldnt be done? oh yea.

quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

What ever kind of guy you happen to be, just BE that kind of guy. Whatever you are naturally! If you're mysterious, BE mysterious. If you're goofy, be goofy! If you're romantic, be romantic... just be YOU! Be the REAL you!

Doesn't work. Sorry. There are some personalities no girls are attracted to. Mrman is definately right. Women just don't want to admit that they are as superficial as men are.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

I'm wondering how some of you are able to keep up a charade for long by copping a new personality for different females. Isn't the ability to do so a symptom of a type of schizophrenia? Probably works on less intelligent women, but so does anything else.



Meanwhile your current love interest is struggling to maintain the personality he knows you like so he can fuck you...

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Ok. Seriously, if that's your thing, more power to you. Now, on to some things I refrained from saying before, as it would have been a bit of a ramble without a story like that to help make my point.

First off, when I say you're lucky nothing bad's happened, I don't mean solely in terms of disease or getting a girl pregnant. I'm talking about anything- some girl getting pissed off and stalking you, getting some guy friends after you, trashing your car, all kinds of shit. Maybe it has happened, I don't know. In my humble opinion, it's not really worth it, even if I could whip the shit out of anyone who came after me (which, if there are enough of them at once, with bats, isn't likely). Situations like the one you just described can easily lead to that.

Secondly, you choose to turn your energies towards manipulation- the proper term for what you did, absolutely. You say what you're doing is fine, since you're just meeting girls, getting some, and if the right person comes along, great. It's a wonderful theory...

...but.

You're obviously caught up in being able to play mind games and pull a girl's strings. Even if you do this by feel, and not at all with an analytical approach, you're giving that feel a negative bent. That may be even worse (for you) than if you had a completely thought-out method for doing this, studying girls and figuring out their weaknesses. If a top-notch girl ever does cross your path, you won't be able to switch gears as quickly as you think.

More specifically, if you immediately turn your attention to her, you will, at least in part, fall into your habit of trying to work over her mind. Maybe you expect to do that. But if she falls to your charms that easily, you'll probably find she's not as great as you initially thought; and if she is, you run a high risk of turning her off to you because you can't help but act towards her in much the way you act towards any of your "fuckholes". I don't care how good you are, any worthwhile girl- assuming your definition of "worthwhile" doesn't come near "brain dead"- will see that you're a player and be smart enough to walk away, unlike the one in your example.

Lastly... you talk like it's all about getting laid, but it's not. For you, it's as much about the mind games and the power trips at being able to convince a girl to fuck you. There's a HUGE difference between simply showing your best side- which I advise everyone to learn to do- and what you do. Huge. I've had disagreements with EG about some of this shit before, since I think it's harmful to a guy in the long run to concentrate too much on how to twist someone's mind around, but I've never seen him suggest doing anything with a harmful intent. This thread is no different. You, however, are as malicious as anyone I've encountered in a long time. If you like it, fine, whatever, but you don't seem to think you are. You're going to get bitten by this eventually. Not that it should change what you do.. just something to keep in mind.

I kinda see what your saying spiffy, and it may be a bit more than I would do, especially the call at then end, but..

she is the cheater

he just affirmed her view of herself

she wanted him

there is no forever the first night

She was playing the same game he was, so I don't feel bad for her at all. For some reason people seem to think that if the woman does not win this game, something went horribly wrong.

The only reason why I play these games is because the women set the rules on how to score pussy. I hated games as a kid, but women trained me how to treat them with carrots and sticks.

quote:Originally posted by tryptamine:

The one thing that will get more women than anything regardless of what they like is a set of chiseled abs minus the ego.

You usually don't even have to say a word, a casual shirt lift or if she touches your stomach and feels them you are in.

This post got me thinking, so I sent out an email to 5 lady friends asking them which they prefered:

chiseled abs and an average cock

or

a large cock with a bit of a gut

So far I have one response and it was for the chiseled abs and average cock. BTW, this girl's current BF has a nine inch cock.

If any of the totse ladies would like to answer the same question, I would be interested in your opinions.

EG, I don't disagree with what you're saying, just your focus. He saw that she wasn't happy with her boyfriend, so, spurred by her apparent ego (I haven't forgotten that part), he worked his way into her head and took advantage of the opening he saw.

Let me clarify some things. I did NOT say he took advantage of her. I did NOT say she was the pure and innocent soul in all this. She was bored with her boyfriend; I don't know how long that had been a problem for her initially, so it's impossible to say whether or not she should have dumped him or if the nice, sweet guy part of him still outweighed his dullness. She did partake in the cheating willingly, regardless of what he did to convince her to do so. Given the fact she caught onto his game initially, but then fell prey to it in the end, I damn well hope she learned something. But frankly, they're both fuckers to some extent.

Actually, I hope everyone learns something- don't take your boyfriend/girlfriend for granted. It's easy to say she was wrong to cheat, but unless she was completely full of shit about the boyfriend thing (a possibility), it certainly looks like she would have gladly not done so if her boyfriend did a better job keeping her interest. It's also not like she got a little interest and jumped on him- he worked on her for awhile. True, some people are never happy, but more often situations like this are avoidable.

BTW, don't bitch about my saying this, like it's always the guy that needs to do this; that may be the stereotype, but plenty of guys get bored with their women and do the exact same thing. It goes both ways. The boring guy/cheating girl scenario was simply the setup here.

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quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

^

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Ok. Seriously, if that's your thing, more power to you. Now, on to some things I refrained from saying before, as it would have been a bit of a ramble without a story like that to help make my point.

First off, when I say you're lucky nothing bad's happened, I don't mean solely in terms of disease or getting a girl pregnant. I'm talking about anything- some girl getting pissed off and stalking you, getting some guy friends after you, trashing your car, all kinds of shit. Maybe it has happened, I don't know. In my humble opinion, it's not really worth it, even if I could whip the shit out of anyone who came after me (which, if there are enough of them at once, with bats, isn't likely). Situations like the one you just described can easily lead to that.

Secondly, you choose to turn your energies towards manipulation- the proper term for what you did, absolutely. You say what you're doing is fine, since you're just meeting girls, getting some, and if the right person comes along, great. It's a wonderful theory...

...but.

You're obviously caught up in being able to play mind games and pull a girl's strings. Even if you do this by feel, and not at all with an analytical approach, you're giving that feel a negative bent. That may be even worse (for you) than if you had a completely thought-out method for doing this, studying girls and figuring out their weaknesses. If a top-notch girl ever does cross your path, you won't be able to switch gears as quickly as you think.

More specifically, if you immediately turn your attention to her, you will, at least in part, fall into your habit of trying to work over her mind. Maybe you expect to do that. But if she falls to your charms that easily, you'll probably find she's not as great as you initially thought; and if she is, you run a high risk of turning her off to you because you can't help but act towards her in much the way you act towards any of your "fuckholes". I don't care how good you are, any worthwhile girl- assuming your definition of "worthwhile" doesn't come near "brain dead"- will see that you're a player and be smart enough to walk away, unlike the one in your example.

Lastly... you talk like it's all about getting laid, but it's not. For you, it's as much about the mind games and the power trips at being able to convince a girl to fuck you. There's a HUGE difference between simply showing your best side- which I advise everyone to learn to do- and what you do. Huge. I've had disagreements with EG about some of this shit before, since I think it's harmful to a guy in the long run to concentrate too much on how to twist someone's mind around, but I've never seen him suggest doing anything with a harmful intent. This thread is no different. You, however, are as malicious as anyone I've encountered in a long time. If you like it, fine, whatever, but you don't seem to think you are. You're going to get bitten by this eventually. Not that it should change what you do.. just something to keep in mind.

well there are many things to address here so ill try to keep this as compact as possible.

its hard to explain in short and while trying not to come off as thinking im some invincible he-man, but i simply have never had the problem of getting my ass kicked. this isnt so much because ive done an awesome job of fighting, but more along the lines of not getting in many fights. im not huge or overly imposing, but im 6' 200 with a pretty good build from years of strength training and athletics. so maybe that weeds out some of it but i think most of all, people just dont desire to kick my ass all that badly. it seems that anyone who knows me well enough to be able to track me down also knows me well enough to not want to fight me. whether that is because they like me, i scare them or my friends scare them, i cant be sure. but if i were to take a guess, i think its just because most of these girls 'guy friends' like me.

also, im not stupid. the girl in question knew me for atleast 3 or 4 years. she doesnt know where i live. i doubt shed be able to pick my car out in traffic, she doesnt know where i hang out, doesnt know any of my friends well enough to get information, etc. i doubt shes overly pissed at me, but even if she was, she really doesnt have many options. going through the list of girls, there are very few who are or ever were angry with me and even less that would have the first idea where to find me. so while you may envision these horrible things happening to me, i just dont see it happening.

now for the second part, i see how you might think that, but in practice it doesnt happen. the last girl i was in a serious relationship with, i did exactly what you said i wont be able to do. i didnt go after her for sex, i had a honest connection and wanted a relationship with her. things with her went smoothly and i still think shes a great girl. if you are curious as to why we arent together anymore, well i got to know her. thats not to say shes a bad person, shes just not for me. shes the kind of girl who never gets mad or could even hurt a fly (litterally, she once wouldnt kill a fly and instead spent an hour giving it a safe exit from her house). thats not really for me, i need someone who can be happy, sad, serious and angry, not just the first three.

now perhaps my example was a bad one to start off with because it was pretty vindictive. i told the story partly because i think its funny and partly because of the girls attitude. she simply thought she was so damn smart and could never be talked into bed. why? because shes seen a lot of simple attempts by guys who didnt put a lot of effort into the emotional and mental manipulation. guys would throw compliments at her in an attempt to get laid, shed shoot them down and then pat her self on the back endlessly for seeing through it. usually my sex life has a lot less of an attempt to harm, but its hard to say whats "normal" when so many experiences are so different.

you are right about one thing though, its definately not "all about the sex". i do get a kick out of pulling shit off. its kind of like a stunt man, i enjoy seeing what i can pull off and how far i can push the envelope. thats not to say i cant get into sex unless its hard to pull off or that im more into the stunt than the pussy. im definately more for the sex than anything else, but i like to add a little spice to it.

now for EG:

the call at the end was a dick move, i admit it. i didnt do it so much to hurt her with the fact that she cheated, i couldnt care less, but to send a message to her and her friends who have heard her brag. you are right about her playing the game. she was definately playing her own by proclaiming her ability to see through a guys scheme. she played her game, to a fault i might add, for being unable to have sex for logical reasons. instead of just fucking me because she wanted to, she wanted to control me. she wanted to be in charge of sex with me in the same way that she was with her boyfriend. she wanted to be able to string me along until she got bored, tell me to jump and expect me to ask how high. a lot of girls are like that and i do not feel bad fucking them over.

I do have a question for you guys- why do you bother with all this? I have my own ideas, some of which I've expressed already, but I want to hear it in your own words. EG, you say you play the game because women set the "rules"- but rules like that are dictated by the mob, and the mob is stupid. And not everyone is a part of it.

Those of you who profess to be masters of seducing women- going from strangers to fucking in a backseat, not turning your girlfriend into a sex machine- if you're so smart, why do you bother with the dumbshits? Certainly, if you can pull this off, you can get more interesting girls without all the bullshit (or at least less of it). I find smarter, more interesting girls are generally more keen on either a greater degree of directness (if only because they see all the shitty games the morons play) or mystery, so why not go that route? Numbers? Superiority complex? Too much effort- mindfucking the idiots is quicker and easier when all you want is a one-night stand? What is it?

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

ur right cindy, games would never work on a woman as intelligent as you..

i take it all back

Eh, no you don't.

I made a serious inquiry. I may be mis-remembering, but I thought you had a blossoming relationship going on before the holidays--wasn't she knitting you something (sweater? Scarf?) that you vowed you'd wear even in hot weather? I thought this would be an educational example on how your philosophies apply to maintaining relationships. I'd think by now she'd be wanting to build a house for you.

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

I do have a question for you guys- why do you bother with all this? I have my own ideas, some of which I've expressed already, but I want to hear it in your own words. EG, you say you play the game because women set the "rules"- but rules like that are dictated by the mob, and the mob is stupid. And not everyone is a part of it.

Those of you who profess to be masters of seducing women- going from strangers to fucking in a backseat, not turning your girlfriend into a sex machine- if you're so smart, why do you bother with the dumbshits? Certainly, if you can pull this off, you can get more interesting girls without all the bullshit (or at least less of it). I find smarter, more interesting girls are generally more keen on either a greater degree of directness (if only because they see all the shitty games the morons play) or mystery, so why not go that route? Numbers? Superiority complex? Too much effort- mindfucking the idiots is quicker and easier when all you want is a one-night stand? What is it?

there are a few assumptions here that i dont agree with. first of all, that these girls are all dumb. they arent dumb in the sense that they have an inability to learn or comprehend or lack knowledge. i guess you could say they are dumb for forcing guys to do this in order to get laid (there are other ways of course, but this is by far the easiest, fastest and most self respecting).

second, you say "why not go for better girls". well i say this to you: i havent met any. its not like i say to myself "well, i could go out and meet a smart, attractive girl who has a great personality. or i can go out and meet an attractive girl with nothing that interests me except for her girl parts". i play with the hand im dealt. i dont go for the "better girls" because i havent met any. i can honestly say that at the current moment, out of all the girls i know or have met in recent years, not one has been mentally attractive to me. so when i meet one, ill act accordingly. until then, its either fuck girls who look good but have no other redeeming qualities, or go celibate. at this point in my life i dont think my hand is ready for that kind of commitment.

Spiffy, I am not sure what you expect my alternative to be, or what you think I mean by playing games. I don’t think trying to mentally stimulate a woman is a bad thing. In fact, I have found they like it. It does not have to be dumb girls either. It’s not a trick. Every mind responds positively to certain stimuli and negative to other stimuli. I just put in the effort please her mind as I would her body. And there is a fairly large difference in my success rate if I don’t put a conscious effort into it.

Cindy, about your original question, not going into details, I have made the heads of girls swim before. Not just stupid girls, smart ones. Maybe as smart as you. Or at least it seemed like their heads were swimming. If not, then they were playing games with me. Either way some head games were going on. About the scarf, it was finished last week. Thanks for asking. She is a great girl, but I don’t see an endgame for us. I am currently talking to a couple others, and yes she does know.

What do I mean by playing games? Well, let's go to what you said to Cindy- you've made girls' heads swim. How? I've done it too, albeit not often, but it was never a goal. It just happened that way. I'm very much for mental stimulation, but as I see it, that's a remarkably different thing.

If I'm trying to spark a girl's mind, the first thing is talk to her normally, try to get some intelligent banter going. If she's smart enough to interest me, I don't want her mind in a swirl. If I want her, then I want all that brainpower focused on wanting me. That's the mental stimulation I try to inspire. Making her head swim... I dunno, I just don't find the "la la la, he's so cute/dreamy/etc." thing all that attractive. Neither is confusion or blank, sparkly eyes. It may be even worse when it happens to a smart girl, because then they're like, dur, me want dick. It may be an ego boost, but it's not necessarily enjoyable.

mr man, I can't say much in reply to you outside of it was rather enlightening. I had no reason to believe you're that one in a thousand guys who can sound like a vindictive, bitter, sexist asshole day and night and still be able to treat a worthwhile girl like gold. You still may not be that way, but maybe you are. If so, then much of what I've said only stands as a general point.

I just hope you don't act offline the way you do on here, with the constant ranting about women and whatnot. I bet that'd go over reeeeeal well. But I figure you're probably smart enough to keep a lid on that..

Right?

Edit: Forgot to mention, I presumed there was a higher level of girl you could go for simply because you said you meet lots and lots of women. If not, so be it. I suppose that's where your bad luck is.

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quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

What do I mean by playing games? Well, let's go to what you said to Cindy- you've made girls' heads swim. How? I've done it too, albeit not often, but it was never a goal. It just happened that way. I'm very much for mental stimulation, but as I see it, that's a remarkably different thing.

If I'm trying to spark a girl's mind, the first thing is talk to her normally, try to get some intelligent banter going. If she's smart enough to interest me, I don't want her mind in a swirl. If I want her, then I want all that brainpower focused on wanting me. That's the mental stimulation I try to inspire. Making her head swim... I dunno, I just don't find the "la la la, he's so cute/dreamy/etc." thing all that attractive. Neither is confusion or blank, sparkly eyes. It may be even worse when it happens to a smart girl, because then they're like, dur, me want dick. It may be an ego boost, but it's not necessarily enjoyable.

mr man, I can't say much in reply to you outside of it was rather enlightening. I had no reason to believe you're that one in a thousand guys who can sound like a vindictive, bitter, sexist asshole day and night and still be able to treat a worthwhile girl like gold. You still may not be that way, but maybe you are. If so, then much of what I've said only stands as a general point.

I just hope you don't act offline the way you do on here, with the constant ranting about women and whatnot. I bet that'd go over reeeeeal well. But I figure you're probably smart enough to keep a lid on that..

Right?

Edit: Forgot to mention, I presumed there was a higher level of girl you could go for simply because you said you meet lots and lots of women. If not, so be it. I suppose that's where your bad luck is.

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couple things...

you NEED that "head swimming" thing if you would like to use your dick sometime in the near future. thats what gets girls to fuck you, pure and simple. not only am i not patient enough to wait several weeks to fuck just one girl, but its such a turn off to have a girl fuck you for some retarded, illogical reason. having a girl give in to sex simply because i stuck around for her time limit and kissed her ass long enough is just disgusting to me.

second, perhaps you are right about the last thing. perhaps my bad luck has been living in an area filled with worthless women. i dont really expect other areas to have any better women though. i can admit that i have tough, if not strange standards. but i do know what i want and i can recognize it immediately.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

As much as some guys would like to believe such a thing exists, there simply is no magic formula, either a substance or "rules of behavior" that will attract the females. It's in the same category as "get rich quick" schemes. They don't work and end up making you look ridiculous.

As with getting rich, if you want female attention, you have to work at it a bit. God knows we females have to work at it. I hate to sound like your mother, but a neat appearance, good posture and decent attitude toward people in general go a LONG way. This doesn't mean expensive clothes and walking around like you have a stick up your ass; it simply means being reasonably clean and well-groomed, keeping your chin up (I'm put off by those who seem to be looking at the ground all the time, and being able to look people in the eye.

And try to excel at something. Find something you're good at, or that you enjoy, and do it well. This could be academics, club involvements, athletics, music, art, or whatever. Females tend to be attracted to guys who show a willingness to work hard and be good at something.



Your fat.

What deadlycindy said, everything I try that is her ideaer mostly works out. But then she never has any information on what a guy should do after he does what she says.

quote:Originally posted by Sarcophagus:

A big penis... yup, that's right.

Next time you're out on the town just walk up to a girl and flop your bad boy out... if she's seated walk up behind and just slap it down on her shoulder, or walk straight up to her and give her forehead a couple of good hearty thumps with the tip...

Guaranteed results my friend...

Slap it down on her shoulder, that's fuckin' great...

Buy hey, you wanna know what really gets a girl's attention?

Cocaine.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

you NEED that "head swimming" thing if you would like to use your dick sometime in the near future. thats what gets girls to fuck you, pure and simple. not only am i not patient enough to wait several weeks to fuck just one girl, but its such a turn off to have a girl fuck you for some retarded, illogical reason. having a girl give in to sex simply because i stuck around for her time limit and kissed her ass long enough is just disgusting to me.

I don't know where the waiting x amount of time thing came about, but anyway..

The only kind of "head swimming" thing you NEED is where her heart beats faster, the hormones start running a little more rampant, when the attraction starts to hit. But that's the nature of humans as a whole- everyone gets nailed with that unless you pick and choose who you can or want to shag with pure cold logic. I'm already assuming that happens, and maybe that's all you're talking about- you didn't bring it up in the first place. EG did, and based on what he's said in the past, I'm pretty sure he means more than that.

Once she's reached that point, though, and the desire exists, I want her mind clear. I want her to have one thought in her head- "I want to fuck him" (ie. me). If that's there, she'll fuck me. There's no confusion, there's no swirling thoughts, there's nothing in that which doesn't make sense. It's pure and simple lust.

Granted, part my preference for that is the way I am. I want to be into it that much, that intensely, and if I am, I want the same from her. Plus, the more she wants it, the more I want it. That's always a good thing.

It may be that getting a girl to the point she doesn't know backwards from forwards and keeping her there gets you laid more. I won't argue that, I don't know one way or the other. But it's not a necessity.

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

I don't know where the waiting x amount of time thing came about, but anyway..

The only kind of "head swimming" thing you NEED is where her heart beats faster, the hormones start running a little more rampant, when the attraction starts to hit. But that's the nature of humans as a whole- everyone gets nailed with that unless you pick and choose who you can or want to shag with pure cold logic. I'm already assuming that happens, and maybe that's all you're talking about- you didn't bring it up in the first place. EG did, and based on what he's said in the past, I'm pretty sure he means more than that.

Once she's reached that point, though, and the desire exists, I want her mind clear. I want her to have one thought in her head- "I want to fuck him" (ie. me). If that's there, she'll fuck me. There's no confusion, there's no swirling thoughts, there's nothing in that which doesn't make sense. It's pure and simple lust.

Granted, part my preference for that is the way I am. I want to be into it that much, that intensely, and if I am, I want the same from her. Plus, the more she wants it, the more I want it. That's always a good thing.

It may be that getting a girl to the point she doesn't know backwards from forwards and keeping her there gets you laid more. I won't argue that, I don't know one way or the other. But it's not a necessity.

what you are saying is the exact same thing we are saying. "head swimming" means shes completely lusting for us. shes thinking "i want to fuck him". the only difference in what we do is we make it happen faster and with better consistency among a larger number of girls.

the "waiting x amount of time" thing comes from the common method girls use to determine when to fuck a guy. they will hold back on having sex as early as they may want to and are especially less likely to make sexual advances until a certain amount of time has passed. go ask some girls when they fucked a guy and when they first decided they wanted to fuck him. i guarantee that most times those two events did not happen at the same time.

quote:Originally posted by met_B_A_N_S:

Your fat.

That's an incomplete sentence. My fat what?

quote:

What deadlycindy said, everything I try that is her ideaer mostly works out. But then she never has any information on what a guy should do after he does what she says.

Well, this is a thread on how to get a girl's attention. How to keep that attention is a whole 'nother matter. That's going to depend on factors you can't know until you actually get the girl's attention. You may have to figure it out as you go along, but for the most part what I said in the post you quoted applies to keeping a relationship, too.

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

what you are saying is the exact same thing we are saying. "head swimming" means shes completely lusting for us. shes thinking "i want to fuck him". the only difference in what we do is we make it happen faster and with better consistency among a larger number of girls.

Like I said, I figured that's the case for you. I'll be interested to see if EG comes around and says the same thing.

whats bad about her knowing you are trying to get her attention? Make her feel special...

I agree with the 'make her feel special' part, but not too much. Women want to be wanted, needed, desired for; yet they want the other person to want them more, so they make themselves unattainable. Entice her from afar. Catch her gaze from across the room and lock eyes, then look away. Keep watching her, notice her every move. Seduce her with your presence. Dont go in for the kill, make it so she cant take it any longer, make her want you. Drink her in with your eyes, and make her do the same. Keep her wondering, never let her attain what she wants, always keep her wanting more.

God i got a little too into that..*blush* sorry..heh..ill go masturbate now..

Confidence.

Sorry I am responding so late. I have not been online as much lately.

Spiffy, "head swimming" is hard to define because it is a bit different every time. There is a difference between a girl thinking you’re a nice/interesting guy, thinking you’re attractive, and thinking you’re the one she wants to be with. For some reason or another, it seems girls draw a distinction between those last two where guys do not. If a guy sees 10 attractive women, he will seriously consider sleeping with all of them that let him. A woman can see an attractive man, admit to herself that he is attractive, and still not be ready to give it up to him. Even if he is smart and they have shit in common, that is often still not enough. Women often tend to describe the extra factor as "type" or "chemistry". They just know if they want it or not based on how they feel.

Here is my theory on that. Everyone has a conscious and subconscious mind. I think a woman uses her conscious mind to evaluate the first two factors (interesting/personality… and looks) and the last factor of “chemistry” is mostly judged subconsciously. The information she uses to make these judgments has to be communicated to her. The normal conscious communication (speaking and seeing them in general) is used by the conscious mind. There is also subconscious communication used by the subconscious mind. I guess if I were to define game playing/manipulation, the best definition I could give it right now is trying to use your conscious mind to communicate with her subconscious mind. That definition of it does not make it right or wrong. Communication is communication. What you communicate can be used for ethical judgments.

I believe that is very important not to ignore the chemistry factor. There are many women who will be very put off with the idea of being intimate with a guy if there is no chemistry, even if they find the guy attractive.

How do I do it? Many ways: Stroke her ego, then tease it. Use the words that have emotional meaning for her. Use tone and mannerisms that don’t quite match context to arouse curiosity. Look for what she desires, find those or similar qualities in yourself and showcase them for her. Ambiguity allows her to fill the gaps with whatever she desires. Uncertainty of my level of interest is often a good tactic, but sometimes I don’t use that. The tactics that I listed in the seduction archive (first post) are often used. I also try to drop hints and triggers that will make her think of me more and more.

The way I see it, any person is too complex for any other person to grasp all of who they are in this life. The other person’s mind is a canvas and your communication (conscious and subconscious) is the paint brush. With how you communicate, you will paint a picture of yourself on the other person’s mind, intentionally or unintentionally. If it is going to happen, you might as well do it right.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

This post got me thinking, so I sent out an email to 5 lady friends asking them which they prefered:

chiseled abs and an average cock

or

a large cock with a bit of a gut

So far I have one response and it was for the chiseled abs and average cock. BTW, this girl's current BF has a nine inch cock.

If any of the totse ladies would like to answer the same question, I would be interested in your opinions.



Another girl said she also would prefer chiseled abs and an average cock.

And one said she wanted an average cock and a bit of a gut. She is hot as hell, and I am selling her number for a thousand bucks.

jk

Anyways, if any women want to weigh in on this question, I am still interested.





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quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

Another girl said she also would prefer chiseled abs and an average cock.

And one said she wanted an average cock and a bit of a gut. She is hot as hell, and I am selling her number for a thousand bucks.

jk

Anyways, if any women want to weigh in on this question, I am still interested.

*campaigns for chiseled abs and average cock*

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

hmm, strange. first you start off saying id get beaten, which is odd because i dont. obviously though i must be getting beaten for succeeding in what i described. then you say it doesnt work, fails 9 times out of 10, spy women, blah blah. then you go back to saying that it works. i dont know if you dont have your mind made up or what, but ill make an attempt to respond.

women are easily manipulated. why? because its easy to control someone who takes a lot of direction from emotions.

as far as the badass/nice guy routine... well i think everyone, myself included has these qualities already. here you are not trying to act out qualities you do not have, but simply choose when and how to show them. you dont change your personality, you pick and choose which part of you is best in a particular moment. people do this all the time. take job interviews for example. people stress their qualifications and qualities on their resume and in their interview. they want to speak about how hard they work and how dependable they are. they dont usually start talking about how sometimes getting up for work is a miserable experience. same thing here, you show the woman what you want her to see in order to get her to "hire" you.

finally, the part about "real relationships". well heres how i view that. im open to a loving relationship with a girl i deeply care for. however im not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass waiting for that to happen. by doing what i do, i meet a lot of women. i always go in giving her a chance to show me she has something worthwhile about her, other than sex. when she proves herself worthless other than a fuckhole, i go ahead and enjoy her finest quality. if i ever meet one that meets my standards for a "relationship" girl, then i will give her the chance she deserves. the whole point is, you cant make someone who doesnt suck come along. i am certainly not going to lead a sexless, boring, depressing life in order to wait for "her" to come along.



I want to stab people like you

quote:Originally posted by mrman383:

hmm, strange. first you start off saying id get beaten, which is odd because i dont. obviously though i must be getting beaten for succeeding in what i described. then you say it doesnt work, fails 9 times out of 10, spy women, blah blah. then you go back to saying that it works. i dont know if you dont have your mind made up or what, but ill make an attempt to respond.

women are easily manipulated. why? because its easy to control someone who takes a lot of direction from emotions.

as far as the badass/nice guy routine... well i think everyone, myself included has these qualities already. here you are not trying to act out qualities you do not have, but simply choose when and how to show them. you dont change your personality, you pick and choose which part of you is best in a particular moment. people do this all the time. take job interviews for example. people stress their qualifications and qualities on their resume and in their interview. they want to speak about how hard they work and how dependable they are. they dont usually start talking about how sometimes getting up for work is a miserable experience. same thing here, you show the woman what you want her to see in order to get her to "hire" you.

finally, the part about "real relationships". well heres how i view that. im open to a loving relationship with a girl i deeply care for. however im not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass waiting for that to happen. by doing what i do, i meet a lot of women. i always go in giving her a chance to show me she has something worthwhile about her, other than sex. when she proves herself worthless other than a fuckhole, i go ahead and enjoy her finest quality. if i ever meet one that meets my standards for a "relationship" girl, then i will give her the chance she deserves. the whole point is, you cant make someone who doesnt suck come along. i am certainly not going to lead a sexless, boring, depressing life in order to wait for "her" to come along.

Dude, while other sellouts may try to say that you don't know what you're talking about, I think you're right about some basic ideas. Don't try to explain them to the conformists, they will only try to deny you and call you crazy.

well from my expreiences Assholes get all the chicks, being nice doesnt work, at all. so being an asshole must be the trick to get a chick!