Okay..

This weekend I was at a party, and I met this girl who I thought was really hot. So there was a slow song, and I asked her to dance, and.. yeah we had some very close dancing there

So yeah, this girl's really hot, she's got a nice body and just everything. I thought she was like 14 or 15. I'm 15, freshman in HS. Well here's the kicker. She's fucking 12! 7th grade! It's crazy.. I mean you have to see this girl to believe me, there's no way you would believe she's 12. So she got my AIM from friends and she wants to see a movie with me sometime. I can almost tell she wants me for sure.. haha.. like with the dancing she was holding me tight and just generally giving me signs that she's turned on. It's just that she's in 7th grade and that kind of scares me a little.

Meh.. To you older people, you probably won't get why the hell I would be interested in a 7th grader. Ahh.. so, what do you all think about this one?

Oh yeah, she surfs!!

She sounds cool, but, um, she's twelve. You're fifteen. Three years wouldn't be a big deal if you were each a few years older, but unfortunately, this is a big age gap and a bad period to come across one. Find someone else. She's a pre-teen.

I agree totally with above post. The difference in age isn't anything, only 3 years. Not too bad, it's just she's 12 and that's a no no.

Actually, I'm 14, my birthday is coming up sort of soon in November (4th) so sometimes I just say I'm 15. I relate better to 15y/o people than 14. Don't ask...

Her birthday is Nov. 19, so it's really only two years. I don't think it's that terrible of an age gap. I mean look at the plusses:

1. She digs me

2. She's really hot

3. Nice body (^)

4. ...same horoscope.. (not that that matters though )

5. She digs me!!

The only real minus is that she's in 7th grade. I think the plusses outweigh..

No, no they don't. At the very least wait until she's 13. Your better off waiting until she's in high school (if she's hot now giver her two years to develop some more), but at the very least wait until she's a teenager.

I mean... really, a 12 year old? Dude, not cool.

that just sounds..... wrong. i'm sorry man you just have a bad case of timing on hand

If she's mature enough, go for it. When I was in 8th grade, I dated a sophomore. Hell, when I was in 8th grade, I dated a Junior who was supposed to be a senior. And I dated another junior as well. In 7th grade, the only person I ever got with was in 8th, but that was probably just because I had just moved there. It's not a problem if the chick is cool. 12 just sounds like an icky number, but it's probably all okay.

Um, it's not okay. She's not even a teenager. It's just not okay. I can't stress this enough, in this case the plusses and minuses don't matter. She's twelve fucking years old!

Alright, so if the number that indicated how old she is rounded down to the nearest year was 13 instead of 12, it would be better? Does that really make any sense? I mean, judging people by age seems so stupid to me. I've seen 12 year olds that look like they're still 9. and now 12 year olds that look 15. You know, puberty doesn't exactly follow age. It shouldn't work that way. It doesn't Oh well.. society

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

If she's mature enough, go for it. When I was in 8th grade, I dated a sophomore. Hell, when I was in 8th grade, I dated a Junior who was supposed to be a senior. And I dated another junior as well. In 7th grade, the only person I ever got with was in 8th, but that was probably just because I had just moved there. It's not a problem if the chick is cool. 12 just sounds like an icky number, but it's probably all okay.

You're insane.

Do you realize how fucked up a junior in high school has to be to want to date an 8th grader?

You got fucking molested, girlie. What's worse, the bastards brainwashed you into thinking that it was all good.

quote:Originally posted by jojabr:

Alright, so if the number that indicated how old she is rounded down to the nearest year was 13 instead of 12, it would be better? Does that really make any sense? I mean, judging people by age seems so stupid to me. I've seen 12 year olds that look like they're still 9. and now 12 year olds that look 15. You know, puberty doesn't exactly follow age. It shouldn't work that way. It doesn't Oh well.. society



That's bullshit, and you know it. You're thinking with your dick.

There's not a 12 year old girl alive mentally ready for intimacy at all, let alone sex and a relationship.

Fucking paedophiles.

God, I sound like that kind of person I hate, but here goes:

Puberty isn't important. She's a pre-teen. Wait until she gets into high school, at least. She's a little kid, do you have any younger siblings? It'd be like fucking one of their friends.

She's a little kid, she's a child. If a two year old looked like she was 15, would you do her? It's not the way she looks that's important. Basically, anyone under 13 is off-limits.Especially at such a delicate time (puberty and such), whether you think so or not, age matters a shitload.

well this is how i c it i am 16 and im dating a girl who is 14 only two years differnce its not that bad but 12 is young if it was three years i wouldnt do it but my girl is hot and yah its not that bad 2 years

quote:Originally posted by stephanina:

...do you have any younger siblings? It'd be like fucking one of their friends. ...

Ahh!!

...Ahhh!!!

Shit...

Well hey.. I never said anything about fucking, did I?

Before I do anything I'll just have to talk to her some more I guess.. yeah.

Uh, thanks, sort of, to the people that kind of helped a little bit but not really.

Oh, and kikey, 8th graders dating 11th graders isn't all that terribly horribly awful. And she wasn't molested. Not by a long shot. Molested was if she was eleven and the guy was 36. Now that's

paedophilia.

quote:Originally posted by jojabr:



Oh, and kikey, 8th graders dating 11th graders isn't all that terribly horribly awful. And she wasn't molested. Not by a long shot. Molested was if she was eleven and the guy was 36. Now that's

paedophilia.

Yeah, it IS all that terribly horribly awful.

I don't care how much she rationalizes it to herself. She was fucking molested, though she probably thought that he was so 'cool and sweet' at the time. It probably made her a real popular little girl, too. But she was still fucking molested.

I don't know what the fuck is going on in the world today.

A guy who can legally drive a car by himself shouldn't be fucking around with a little girl who can't stay out past dark.

It's just fucking wrong.

Stay away man...let her get to 13 or 14 before you go any further!

Don't do it. Morality aside, it just won't be worth the trouble.

All your pros don't outweigh the issues dating a 12-year-old will cause for both of you (mostly you). The only thing that could possibly make it worth the time is if she'd otherwise end up dating some wretched asshole, and your aim is to do a good deed and help get her dating life started off on the right foot (easier said than done). Other than that, it's just not worth it.

Fuck that bitch just one more time! Colt 45 and 2 zig zags, baby that's all we need.

Hehe, JK. Think of it this way: If you were 13 and she was 13, then it would be okay to have sex if she is OK with it, right? Think about it.

It is OK for girls to lost their virginity as young as 12 or 13.

But aside from that, i think you are denying every advice that has been given to you, you just wanted to know what people would think about it once you DO do it. I agree that you are thinking with your dick, but whatever.

I'm not taking sides.

From where I stand, there's not much difference between 12 and 14. And since girls mature faster than guys...I dunno how to finish this sentence.

Do what feels right.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

From where I stand, there's not much difference between 12 and 14. And since girls mature faster than guys...I dunno how to finish this sentence.

Do what feels right.

Shooting heroin into your eyeball feels right, too. It doesn't make it a good idea.

^^uh, I don't think shooting heroin into your eyeball seems right at all.

Its kinda silly. Traditionally, women are anywhere from 5-10 years younger than the guys they marry, but if you date girl that much younger than you while you are in HS or college, its wrong and/or statitory rape (if you are 18).

Thats just the way it is. Once you are both adults or both in HS, thats different, but I would leave it alone. The difference isn't huge, so I would just be friends. If you are still unsure, imagine if you had a 12 year old sister and someone in your grade wanted to be her boyfriend.

Kikey, I usually agree with what you say, but you're just wrong here. When you were 12, you probably weren't ready for a relationship of any sort, but that doesn't mean I wasn't. The people I was dating honestly liked me. The guy had dated plenty of people his age, and could date other people his age had he wanted to, but he chose me. And we had a decent pseudo-relationship thing for a few months. The other junior I dated was a very hot, very sought-after girl. She wasn't just some loser who couldn't get a date her own age, so she went after me. I wasn't molested by anyone.

I don't know what the big fucking deal is with you people. It doesn't matter how old people are if they like/love eachother. If she's mature enough handle it, why shouldn't she be with him? And stephanina, I would never expect to hear that kind of shit coming from you. I don't know what you were doing when you were 12, but at 13 and 14... well, you just shouldn't be saying this kind of shit on this topic.

The thing is, you weren't ready for it.

You say to yourself that you were. You convince yourself that you were. But you weren't. You were a little kid.

Don't try that bullshit. Be honest with yourself. You weren't ready, they convinced you that you were. Nobody in 8th grade is prepared for that kind of shit.

I stand strong to my opinion. Anyone in the upper echelons of the high school ranks dating a little kid has something seriously wrong with him.

It's sad that they fucked your head up so badly that you couldn't see it.

[This message has been edited by Kikey_Kikeowitz (edited 09-16-2003).]

Damn, Kikey, you're a stubborn bitch, aren't you

I think she knows whether she was ready or not more than you did. You know nothing about her personal life, what she's like, or anything else about her yet you make the assumption and try to convince her that she was wrong about her own self and that you're right even though you have no idea what really went on. Oh well... Enjoy standing strong in your opinion

I liked Spiffy's idea of showing her sort of what a boyfriend should be like. Because at her age just about all girls start getting corrupted by the fucktard asshole guys that want them, then they stay that way, in their stupid, retarded way of liking abusive/hurtful guys for years to come. I'd say it would be better for her. But meh, I'm going too far with this. I Gotta see what turns out; I'll just go along with everything that happens.

quote:Originally posted by jojabr:

Damn, Kikey, you're a stubborn bitch, aren't you

I think she knows whether she was ready or not more than you did.

Perhaps.

I think it's far more likely that she's deluding herself, however.

After all, you said it yourself:

quote:Because at her age just about all girls start getting corrupted by the fucktard asshole guys that want them, then they stay that way, in their stupid, retarded way of liking abusive/hurtful guys for years to come.

Kikey, other than my age and the ages of the people I dated, you know nothing about this situation and have no reason to think they molested me. Have I shown myself to be deluded in other ways? Do you have any evidence to support your theory that I'm insane (because that's basically what you're saying). I don't fucking think so. Keep your mouth shut until you know what the fuck you're talking about, okay?

I say date her. Don't do anything much more than kiss till she's at least 13. Then go to town.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Kikey, other than my age and the ages of the people I dated, you know nothing about this situation and have no reason to think they molested me. Have I shown myself to be deluded in other ways? Do you have any evidence to support your theory that I'm insane (because that's basically what you're saying). I don't fucking think so. Keep your mouth shut until you know what the fuck you're talking about, okay?

I'm not saying you're insane.

I'm saying that you had your head fucked with psychologically, due to being taken advantage of, and are still affected by it.

Which you are proving to me with this type of reply.

Ugh. If you noticed, I haven't been replying this way the whole time. It just bothers me when people think they know me when they don't, and then refuse to let up. The truth is that you really know nothing about me. I was dating this guy we're talking about just a year ago, and the chick just a few months ago. It's all fresh in my mind and I know what happened. They never tried to pressure me into anything. I didn't even have very sexual relationships with either of them. It's really quite annoying that you can't see past these social barriers, or whatever you would like to call them, and realize that some younger people can handle relationships, and some older people don't care about age (much).

Okay people, let's end the flame war...

Kikey just lay off about your theory that she was molested, it's not right for you to assume that since you really don't know anything about her personal life. It really is pretty offending, because it's like you're thinking for her and assuming she's too stupid to realize it herself. From GlitterPunk's posts here I think she is far from stupid about relationships and stuff. Maybe a bit pessimistic but that's okay

So yeah, she's going to be 13 in Nov., in the mean time there are a few other girls I've got my eye on, plus I'm transferring out of my stupid HS to one where a lot of my friends go so I'll be able to meet more people much easier.

So, you're in 8th grade now?

quote:When I was in 8th grade, I dated a sophomore. Hell, when I was in 8th grade, I dated a Junior who was supposed to be a senior. And I dated another junior as well.

Those sick fucks are who I'm talking about.

quote:and realize that some younger people can handle relationships, and some older people don't care about age (much).

Yeah, some older people don't care about age.

The same older people that get locked up for not caring about age.

Thanks, jojabr. I didn't know anyone read my posts.

Kikey, if I was in 8th grade one year ago, how would I be in 8th grade now? Do you know how school works? Anyway, the junior who was supposed to be a senior is the dude I've been talking about. The sophomore dude was just some guy who really liked me and I liked him. That lasted a week or so because he got all clingy and shit. But he wasn't, by any means, a sick fuck. He now has a girlfriend his own age. And the last person is the chick I've been talking about. I don't see how any of this shows that I've been molested in any way. Give up, dude. Just give up

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Give up, dude. Just give up

I see no reason to.

I'm right. But, you will never see that, because you're denying it.

No matter. It's your fucked-up psyche, not mine.

Mine could fill volumes.

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

Yeah, some older people don't care about age.

The same older people that get locked up for not caring about age.

That was such a cheap shot. I almost expect better from you

My psyche isn't fucked. I dated people who were older than me. Then we broke up. I'm now fine. I have suffered no emotional damage as a result of this. I don't hate anyone I dated then. There is no evidence to show that I've been molested. What's the deal with you and not showing evidence?

[This message has been edited by GlitterPunk112358 (edited 09-16-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

That was such a cheap shot. I almost expect better from you

How is it a cheap shot?

I'm being completely sincere. I truly and whole-heartedly believe that you are psychologically damaged from dating obvious paedophiles at a young age.

I wouldn't expect you to believe that. I don't think I would either, if someone suggested that. I'd want to believe that I was just too pimp.

How am I phsychologically damaged? Show me. What are the symptoms? And don't say one symptom is denial.

Kikey, for this stupid argument internet flamewar you've got yourself into, I think I'll put you into the 'arrogant, egotistical bastard' list. You're so sure that you're obviously just so right about everything.

Ah, no point.. You're just going to come up with some more nonsense to 'prove' me or anyone else wrong and you right, again. Have fun man.

Meh. Kikey might be acting like an ass right now, but we need him here in S&A. He's the only one who speaks his mind w/o trying to sugarcoat things. He challenges people, gets them thinking. Though he is wrong from time to time, we still like his opinionated asshole~osity

In the words of Eminem

"Yo, look at her bush, does it got hair?"

oh man, don't go for her, mate. you gotta trust me. she's only 12, maybe if you were a little younger or if she was a little older - you'd be ok. but 15 and 12 just dont hit it off.

My god, jojo, you're thinking with you're penis, you dickhead!

You're completely blind, though, and this bothers me. You think you're being rational, but you're completely biased, which is understandable. But try to think about this. A girl is hot, you want to touch her. Does this make it okay? No!

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

How am I phsychologically damaged? Show me. What are the symptoms? And don't say one symptom is denial.

You think it's ok that these guys way more mature and older than you dated you, a child no older than 13.

It's not, and no matter what you say, I can 100% guarantee you weren't mentally ready for it.

You probably thought the first one really cared about you, too.

This is just my opinion, of course. An opinion that I believe to be right.

BTW, let's all just discount what jojabr says in regards to this issue, as he's really only looking to justify to himself his desire to fuck a pre-teen.

quote:Originally posted by jojabr:

Kikey, for this stupid argument internet flamewar you've got yourself into, I think I'll put you into the 'arrogant, egotistical bastard' list.

It took you this long to realize that I absolutely belong on said list?

quote: You're so sure that you're obviously just so right about everything.

Not everything. THIS, however, I am sure of.

quote:Ah, no point.. You're just going to come up with some more nonsense to 'prove' me or anyone else wrong and you right, again. Have fun man.

Have fun being charged with statutory rape, man.

She'll probably fall 'in love' with you too, you sick son of a bitch.

k

Ok dude you shouldnt get advice on this from people who arnt your age. im 15 OCT 28 so i know exactily were your comen from. Hay you should go with her...but only if you realy like her not only because shes hot, and if you can make it last. I wouldnt say go out and bang her wait till shes a lil bit older. Most of you fail to realize that its a 2 year difference. Adults marry people 5 or 6 years younger than them. Just think when they were 15 how young there partner was then even though they didnt know each other. I knew girls in 7th grade who were 12 going with 18 and 19 year olds nad yes when its that much of a differece its fucked up.. its rape and ya they banged em at least thats what they say. But all in all dude go for it. 2 years of a difference aint alot. But make sure it will last. AND DONT BANG HER when shes 12. Plus dude shes hot and made you think she was older shell be able to make other people think the same thing. If you get in trouble with her for something tell them she lied about her age.

Well, Kikey, I guess I just can't change your mind about this. The truth is that I was ready for the types of relationships that these were. They weren't too serious, just fun little things that didn't last too long. No harm done. I know I'm right about this because I was there. It happened to me. But this is getting circular, so I say good day to you, Kikey

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

Well, Kikey, I guess I just can't change your mind about this. The truth is that I was ready for the types of relationships that these were. They weren't too serious, just fun little things that didn't last too long. No harm done. I know I'm right about this because I was there. It happened to me. But this is getting circular, so I say good day to you, Kikey

Very well.

I agree, we'll never see eye to eye. No point in continuing it.

Good day to YOU, madam.