I'm dating an older girl (I'm 15, shes 16). We dated for six months at the start of the year, but nothing really happend. Now we just got back together and I kinda want to push things further. I know shes given head to at least 2 other guys, and when I ask her if she still a virgin she gets embarassed and avoids the question.

I know shes not a prude, but whenever I try to go further with her she kinda 'pushes' me away. One of my friends keeps saying I'm just her bitch.. someone who gives her lots of attention but she dosen't wanna pay it back. What should I do?

Man, you are kinda at a shitty part of your life where the females are concerned. From what I remember, most girls around that age are in no way comfortable with sex. Just take your time. Remember, guys have to have sex to feel loved. Girls have to feel loved to have sex... unless you luck out and find a complete nympho.

Good luck.

quote:Originally posted by teamtiger:

Man, you are kinda at a shitty part of your life where the females are concerned. From what I remember, most girls around that age are in no way comfortable with sex. Just take your time. Remember, guys have to have sex to feel loved. Girls have to feel loved to have sex... unless you luck out and find a complete nympho.

Good luck.



That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Girls want to fuck just as badly as guys do, but since society say its wrong for girls to be sexual, they feel uncomfortable about it.

Maybe she's not attracted to you, or she feels sex would cheapen your realationship.

quote:Originally posted by jack's missing mind:

Maybe she's not attracted to you, or she feels sex would cheapen your realationship.



why do people talk about instead of having sex?

quote:Originally posted by jack's missing mind:



That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Girls want to fuck just as badly as guys do, but since society say its wrong for girls to be sexual, they feel uncomfortable about it.

Maybe she's not attracted to you, or she feels sex would cheapen your realationship.

in the words of all my friends.... WHAT the FUCK...?

i mean, seriously. if you wanna screw the girl, then just say it. if you aren't open about stuff, then how the hell is she gonna know what you want? as for her geting all avoiding n' such when you ask her if she's vir, just be like "i'll take that as a yes". it compliments them some how, makes the girl/lady/opposite sex a heck of a lot more confident and crappy-smurf like that

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quote:Originally posted by Shadow88:

I'm dating an older girl (I'm 15, shes 16).

That made me chuckle for some reason.

Anyways, Shadow, just how does she push you away? Pretend you have a huge ego for a moment. Now can you imagine that maybe she was doing that "saying no when she means yes" thing?

However, friends sometimes have a better grip on the goings-on than you do. Is this the one that likes cutesy stuff and talks baby talk? Eh. Talk to other girls. Now.

quote:Originally posted by jack's missing mind:



That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Girls want to fuck just as badly as guys do, but since society say its wrong for girls to be sexual, they feel uncomfortable about it.



And that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You just contradicted the hell out of yourself with that statement. And when did I ever say girls didn't want to have sex?

Grow a brain before you flame me again.



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I'm all for teamtiger life is shitty when ur 16. Girls don't know wat the fuk there doing or want they want.

tiger's got a point. being 15/16 sux. chicks will grow out of it.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

That made me chuckle for some reason.

Anyways, Shadow, just how does she push you away? Pretend you have a huge ego for a moment. Now can you imagine that maybe she was doing that "saying no when she means yes" thing?

However, friends sometimes have a better grip on the goings-on than you do. Is this the one that likes cutesy stuff and talks baby talk? Eh. Talk to other girls. Now.

For one thing, I'm always the one having to go up and say hello or cuddle her. If I never started things, you can bet we wouldn't even have phsyical contact by now.

Because I'm younger and I haven't had much experience with girls, I'm kinda shy and uncertain/uneasy about intiating stuff like that.. I have the guts to start it but as soon as she shows a negative attitude to it I back off, so if she is 'saying no but wanting yes', then I'm pretty much fucked.

I even heard her say to a friend that with older guys she she would intiate stuff but with younger guys she wouldn't... I'm confused at this, shouldn't it be the other way around?

I know shes not a prude but she seems to go 'prudey' around me, unlike her other boyfriends

On the side, all the 13 yr old girls in the school seem to be going crazy for me lol This week I had 4 different girls ask me out. Next week I'll probably get an even higher amount.

Ahem... well... I guess you're right about the last point

well, maybe she doesn't want to mess up this realtionship....the best way is to talk to her about it and really listen, girls love it when guys actually listen to them and not just trying to get in their pants...also it's always good to keep things out in the open for her, keep your little secrets but make sure she is open with you ;-), one of lifes little secrets, women love mystery...oh, and as for the 13 yr old chicks...if they don't look 13....more like 16, tap it...

Edit - I'm 15 to, don't sweat it, being young isn't all that bad, be bold and secretive...16 is just around the corner..keep up the spirit

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quote:Originally posted by teamtiger:

And that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You just contradicted the hell out of yourself with that statement. And when did I ever say girls didn't want to have sex?

Grow a brain before you flame me again.

[This message has been edited by teamtiger (edited 09-12-2003).]

I'll flame you again now dipshit. You said... and I quote "girls have to feel loved to have sex" meaning, and I don't see how you can get around this, that they don't want sex, they want love, and are only willing to have sex to get it. To add to it, as a guy, I don't need sex to feel loved.

Also, note, thats not a contradiction. They want it, many just don't feel comfortable wanting it or discussing it because social norms (and yes, these norms still stand; observe in high school girls being referred to as sluts) dictate that sexual desire in women is morally wrong, and it takes many girls a very long time to become comfortable discussing their sexuality openly.

quote:Originally posted by jack's missing mind:

I'll flame you again now dipshit.

How old are you?

quote:You said... and I quote "girls have to feel loved to have sex" meaning, and I don't see how you can get around this, that they don't want sex, they want love, and are only willing to have sex to get it.

This doesn't mean they don't want sex. Most girls are horny as hell but won't just give it up for nothing. They have to feel cared for. Women's minds don't work the same as guys. Re-read what I said. You said they "are only willing to have sex to get it(love)." That is not at all what that saying means. Study it a bit more.

quote:To add to it, as a guy, I don't need sex to feel loved.

Hooray for you!!! The quote I used was a generalization. It may not apply to everyone. I was just giving insight to the mindset of the general public.

quote:Also, note, thats not a contradiction. They want it, many just don't feel comfortable wanting it or discussing it because social norms (and yes, these norms still stand; observe in high school girls being referred to as sluts) dictate that sexual desire in women is morally wrong, and it takes many girls a very long time to become comfortable discussing their sexuality openly.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Hence, the it sucks to be 16 part.

quote:Originally posted by teamtiger:

Most girls are horny as hell but won't just give it up for nothing. They have to feel cared for. Women's minds don't work the same as guys.

So true. So very true. I've heard that out of my girlfriend many times... but then she tells me that she knows I love her, so it's very cool...



I'mma stop babbling now.