Okay, there is this girl, typical high school...i dont want to say slut because, first of all, she isn't, and second it is public view(public view being like four people), including hers and most of the time mine too, that we are pretty good friends, but very promiscuous. We have had sex once,(she was really drunk, I was REALLY high) and whenever she talks about it she always says it was great, i also ate her out once, once again she was very sedated on hydro's (she had just had surgery), afterwards she was very loving towards me(go figure) and fell asleep clinging to my chest(which has little to no actual sigifigance in this but it was nice), before she did though, she said, "we have to have sex sober some time". She is my sister's friend by the way and comes over about 3x a week, always hitting on me and the like, always making out with me for substantial amounts of time(she has a boyfriend who also comes over ,without the knowledge of my mom, pretty much every time she does and they are together for a few hours, then he leaves and she usually goes to bed) this guy is an alright guy, kind of goofy and a little dim but hes a good guy, no different from any other normal guy she could've dated(an abnormal guy being me). Actually, the last part of that sentence had absolutely nothing to do with my point but what the fuck. My point is, she's always coming over here and saying we need to have sex and i say thats fine with me, any time after my parents fall asleep(which ironically is when her boyfriend is usually over here), and about every single time she does that she always ends up calling over one guy or another to fuck her. Now at first this frustrated me, but she has done it so many times now, it really doesn't affect me because i see it coming, but i still try just in case(not very hard though, I really have no skill at all in initiating sex unless it is already painfully obvious what is going to happen, having it initiated for me is always fail safe but that's the way a loser gets laid), but the thing is, whenever she does this it always leaves me thinking "why the fuck did you carry on anyway" you know? It's not the lack of sex that gets me, its just I mean if she doesn't want to she shouldn't fucking talk like she does, that makes me angry. On top of that, she keeps telling me she fucking loves me, like out of fucking nowhere! Like we'll be making out and we will stop and she will tell me she loves me. Sometimes it bothers me, but sometimes i dont mind telling her i love her back because...well thats complicated, but the point is, we never really see each other or talk to each other enough to "love" each other, but she does mean a lot to me, more than, and in a different way than, any girl i have ever known. Now to the final stage, I have chronic anxiety disorder, and moderate to sever paranoia problems, plus since my last girlfriend i have severe trust issues. And about every night before i go to sleep i start thinking about her and i start to breathe heavily, and i become on the verge of screaming because all these horrible thoughts enter and keep repeating in my head, okay, not really thoughts, its basically just one thought, every night it goes something like this "She's lying to you, she's only using you, shes only preying on your nature to be loving and sympathetic and friendly, you could never mean anything to her, she is not like that and you know it, you are only her default clown to play with, she will only ever want to be with you when she is intoxicated and disabled, when no other guy is around you are her last resort, she plays with you, then goes home and forgets about you, you should sever ties with her, she will only sontinue to manipulate and mislead you and then she will think you dumb for not realizing it" So you can see my frustration and how i just want to either slap some sense into her or just completely forget about her(which is basically impossible) But I wish there was a way i could make her feel the frustration and the anger i feel towards her.

TRY AND FIX THAT ONE MOTHERFUCKERS!



[This message has been edited by GANJAMIN (edited 07-31-2003).]

First of all ur house seems to be pretty hectic. If u want a relationship with her and want to hook up then ask her if she wants to. If u don't want to have a girlfriend & boyfriend thing goin on then if I was u i'd just sit back and chill on a joint or two and be her fuck buddy and go about ur regular self, just be care free if she doesn't interest u in a "i want u type way".

Yes, my house is hectic, thats what happens when you have a horny teenage sister with several horny teenage friends. I forgot to mention, this girl is 2 years older than me, which, it appears, she believes gives her the right to talk to and treat me as an inferior whenever she pleases, but i really dont think she realizes that I can tell, I tend to just grit my teeth and curse her in my head and she continues thinking me naive. I do not wish to have a full blown relationship with her, nor, I am sure, does she(wouldn't work out anyway, not because of her, because of me, im just a bit too unstable and a bit too goofy, she doesn't dig my kind, she prefers the typical, predictable, senior in high school to senior in college age dudes, whereas I am 15 and in many ways vastly different from any of those kind of guys). Thats not the problem, the problem is i have tried to detach myself from her, but she always comes to me and makes me realize I do not want to completely detach myself from her. From here though it looks like the best thing to do is what you said, just to chill, and let what happens happen. (sigh) I hate teenagers.

think think tihnk man... find another place to chill out and have sex u ass...

Or we could both just get drunk but that would be the pussy's way to fix it.

[This message has been edited by GANJAMIN (edited 07-31-2003).]

If she's acting like she can string you along because she's older, then the next time she says that the two of you should have sex, tell her that you'd be more than happy to if she didn't keep calling someone else. Then ask her straight out if she's ever going to put her money where her mouth is.

This, and ideas along this line, could easily backfire and leave you with nothing at all from this girl and a flood of aching teenage hormones. There's not much way to get around that fact; she has the power here, not you, and she knows it. But unless you want her to keep using you, pony up the balls and do it, because that may be exactly what it takes to be the one she turns to with regularity.

Just in case.. the definite possibility exists that she'll get mad you're standing up to her initially and tell you to fuck off. She may stick to that.. or she may come back to you to see if she really can reel you in at her leisure. After all, you'll probably the first guy who's ever told her to take a hike. If that happens, make her work for the dick. As much as I normally hate power-tripping bullshit, that's all this is to her, a game of control. If you want to play, you're better off playing to win.

quote:Originally posted by GANJAMIN:

[B"She's lying to you, she's only using you, shes only preying on your nature to be loving and sympathetic and friendly, you could never mean anything to her, you could never mean anything to anyone, you are only her default clown to play with, she will only ever want to be with you when she is intoxicated and disabled, when no other guy is around you are her last resort, she plays with you, then goes home and forgets about you, you should sever ties with her, she will only sontinue to manipulate and mislead you and then she will think you dumb for not realizing it" [/B]



I think you should listen to yourself. You know what to do.

take advantage of a slut oh my fault she not a slut,i meant a hoe.

What? I wasn't listening. Sorry, I'll be back in a sec with some better advice. Hold on...

Well, okay, she's already cheating on her boyfriend. That right there should tell you that you shouldn't get involved with her.

If you lived in Michigan, I'd say we should go clubbing (because I need more people to go with me and you need to go, trust me). That way, I'll hook you up with someone you can have a meaningful, long lasting relationship with and you'll never see her again.

Many times.

The point is, Canada has free healthcare. What? No... really... the point is, you need to avoid this girl... if that's possible with her being in your house all the time. Look for things about her that annoy you. That'll stop you really fast.

She is not a ho motherfucker, I thought I had already made that clear, besides I am incapable of taking advantage of people that I am even remotely fond of.

So what if she is cheating on her boyfriend, thats what teenagers do, I am certain that her boyfriend would cheat on her if he gets the chance, but who cares, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just instinct. I've been seeing her do this for about a year now and i see no reason why she should stop.

quote:Originally posted by GANJAMIN:

So what if she is cheating on her boyfriend, thats what teenagers do, I am certain that her boyfriend would cheat on her if he gets the chance, but who cares, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just instinct. I've been seeing her do this for about a year now and i see no reason why she should stop.

Nothing wrong with that? If I found out some dude coaxed my girlfriend into cheating on me, he would not have a penis and he would be without a skull.



[This message has been edited by Trueborn Vorpal (edited 07-30-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

If she's acting like she can string you along because she's older, then the next time she says that the two of you should have sex, tell her that you'd be more than happy to if she didn't keep calling someone else. Then ask her straight out if she's ever going to put her money where her mouth is.



I respect Spiffy, but I think this is bad advise in this case. You cannot reason your way out of this situation. Or at least this guy can't. He is WAYYYY out of his league here. No offense intended. I don't think many teens in this situation could successfully use this approach.

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

There's not much way to get around that fact; she has the power here, not you, and she knows it.



This is very true. And there is no reason for her to let you win in a direct confrontation. Just think about it. If you could sleep with all the girls you wanted to, anytime you wanted, and make them accept it; what would you do if one got pouty about it? Especially if you were giving her something you may even think of as a favor?

quote:Originally posted by Spiffy McBang:

As much as I normally hate power-tripping bullshit, that's all this is to her, a game of control. If you want to play, you're better off playing to win.

I agree that if you want everything, you need to play some games. But you need to be a lot less direct at first. I could go on about this, but it would take forever and I don't think it is your best option.

The best thing you can do is realize this girl is a classic siren. She will crush you if you let her have your heart. Just decide that there is no future for you two the way you dream of it, and give it up. Then make the best of what you do have. I'm sure a lot of guys would love to make out with this girl. You may get laid again although it will never be exclusive. Your relation to this siren can increase your status with others in your circles, and a falling out can be devastating if it happens the way these situations often end.

Don't let her have your heart though. You will have it shattered.

Just my advise. Take it or leave it.

Easy

Easy Going, that was post number 666... I think.

Tell her what you told us... abriged, of course. Something along the lines of "are we ever going to actually have sex? You keep saying this and it nevers seems to get anywhere." And all the rest. Just don't be too tactless.

quote:Originally posted by Trueborn Vorpal:

Nothing wrong with that? If I found out some dude coaxed my girlfriend into cheating on me, he would not have a penis and he would be without a skull.

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Same here, i would fuck him up then dump the hoe. You need to tell her to go to hell, cause all she is doing is playing you and she knows it and thinks it is fun. Just go, I dont want to make out or have sex with you anymore, cause you make me feel like shit. And whatever happens happens.

This isn't about sex, nor is it about a serious relationship with this girl, I am mostly satisfied with what we have now (thats not to say i don't want to have sex with her, quite the contrary, but if i can't then i can deal with that). I just wish she would quit saying and doing things that don't make any sense such as out of nowhere telling me she loves me and telling me that we should have sex with no actual intent to, all this is driving me insane, there are times when I want to kill her for it, and other times I wasnt to kill myself to get away from it. To make it worse, I tell her to stop playing around, she says she isn't, repeats the very thing i suspect she is only saying to fuck with my head, and WALKS OFF! I think it would be a lot easier for me to slap her, and never talk to her again, but i could not do that, so next time i see her i will just call her out and see what she does and hope for an end to all this. God this is driving me insane the one person i was sure would always be what i thought she was, suddenly changed. Why is she doing this? I thought that she was my friend. She keeps saying and doing things that don't make sense to me. Why must she continue to fuck with me. Why must she attempt to drive me mad. I hope she dies, that would teach her to try and manipulate me.



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[This message has been edited by GANJAMIN (edited 08-03-2003).]

fuck her, she's not worth wasting your time on. Get a real girlfriend and build up a relationship in a month and have sex. No point in waiting for something that won't happen.

quote:This isn't about sex, nor is it about a serious relationship with this girl, I am mostly satisfied with what we have now. I just wish she would quit saying and doing things that don't make any sense such as out of nowhere telling me she loves me and telling me that we should have sex with no actual intent to, all this is really unnecessary and only leaves me confused and angry when she says these things and just walks off.

Tell her exactly that.

if she can cheat on her bf whats gonna stop her from cheating on you...considering you get her first of course..Believe me man.. I went for a girl that was cheating on her bf to be with me, and it sure as fuck wasn;t worth it

dump her man..cos if all you;e looking for is sex, I don;t see any coming your way unless there's some pot or booze in the equation

well..thats' just my two cents