quote:Originally posted by eXo5:

Your all a bunch of dumb bastards, i personally don't give a fuck what becomes of the earth after i die, but i at least want to pass on my family name. i mean shit, for all i know, my kid could become the next edison and invent a fucking time travel machine, that DOES go back in time, a fully functional time travel machine, or he could find a way to use anti-matter safely, that would solve all of the worlds energy problems, and then in a sense the world will be saved. so fuck all you dumbasses, why should we end the generations when we are so close to finding a cure for everything. i mean once we have anti-matter we will be able to travel to other worlds and populate them. so technically, it doesn't matter what we do to the earth, we are only here temporarily.

You say you don't care what happens after you die, and then you say you want to pass on your family name because your son might save the world? I thought you didn't care what happens after you die? You will be dead, it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever. This obsession with reproduction has just got to stop, it's really getting out of hand.





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quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

You say you don't care what happens after you die, and then you say you want to pass on your family name because your son might save the world? I thought you didn't care what happens after you die? You will be dead, it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever. This obsession with reproduction has just got to stop, it's really getting out of hand.



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Somehow it reminds me of the crappy game CS. Everyone eventually staring at the screen like a zombie and the living putting on a flea show to prolong it all before it ends. And we don't even know if we get to watch what our offspring do after we die. I don't think many parents would like that option.

You know, if it had sealed borders, the population of the US would be increasing very slowly or even declining. The same is true of the rest of the industrialized world (some countries are already in decline). It's immigration and the higher birthrates of recent immigrants that really drive population growth.

Increasing education and wealth correlate well with declining birthrates. Of course these richer people also consume more resources.

What a pickle, eh? By the time someone is wealthy and educated enough to learn from the internet that they shouldn't breed for the good of the planet, they are already statistically unlikely to breed beyond or even up to replacement rates. Even if they stop breeding altogether, natural resource consumption will continue to rise as the billions of people on the threshold of industrialization industrialize.

In one sense, you could say this is a reason why it's advantageous for countries to develop under their own power. In most of today's industrialized nations, industrialization and agricultural/medical improvements grew in tandem. New technology permitted new growth but also tempered the urge to reproduce. For many of today's poor, highly populous countries, they've received the benefits of advanced agriculture and public health practices without building a complete industrial society. So it is possible to have many children, without starvation or disease keeping growth in check, yet wealth and education are not widespread enough to lead to voluntary birthrate reductions. By the time they actually go fully-industrial, they will have much larger populations all starting to consume resources at an industrial pace (compared to the experience of the West).

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

That's why I'm getting a vasectomy. You can't be too careful when it comes to being stuck with kids for the rest of your life.

did anybody say abortion?

If someone put a gun to my head I still don't think I could think of a reason for someone to have kids.

Humans are kinda pointless... we're born.. get pissed off.. eat as many things as we can then die.

I guess I can throw this in here, if it means anything:

"The future is what we make for ourselves."

What's wrong with the simple compromise of 1 child per person (ie 2 kids/couple)? That way, the population would not increase over time (in a closed system! - don't forget immigration!) and would decrease only slowly as people kick the bucket one by one (modern medicine reducing the percentage of people dying before reproducing down to a nice big fuck all). If'n you want to ensure that the population stays constant, you could do something like Larry Niven's concept of the "birthright lotteries" (right down to allowing people to buy the damn things) in order to accomodate for deaths by unnatural causes, plus only counting births where the child survives to eighteen years of age (so that couples whose kids peg it [e.g. schoolbus crashes] young don't lose their right to reproduce through no fault of their own].

http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org

Suicide Abortion Cannibalism Sodomy

My lineage is so full of mental illness and heart disease I plan on adopting.

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Your all a bunch of dumb bastards, i personally don't give a fuck what becomes of the earth after i die, but i at least want to pass on my family name. i mean shit, for all i know, my kid could become the next edison and invent a fucking time travel machine, that DOES go back in time, a fully functional time travel machine, or he could find a way to use anti-matter safely, that would solve all of the worlds energy problems, and then in a sense the world will be saved. so fuck all you dumbasses, why should we end the generations when we are so close to finding a cure for everything. i mean once we have anti-matter we will be able to travel to other worlds and populate them. so technically, it doesn't matter what we do to the earth, we are only here temporarily.

right, not likely, could i point out, and if he does you probably wont be around to see it anyway, and u dont care what happens when u die. y put yourself through all that when u have a 1 in a 9999999999000000000000000000000000000000000 etc. etc. chance of that happening?

in the words of tre cool

"condoms are very cool because without them you risk getting all kinds of diseases. and becoming pregnant, which is like a disease because it makes you throw up and then you're stuck being a parent."

Kids suck anyways, having kids will ruin your life. Read, memorize and live by this entire site www.nomarriage.com (http://www.nomarriage.com,), especially this article http://nomarriage.com/children.html Also check out this site http://www.vhemt.org/

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exo5, you're not much of a gambler, are you?

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quote:Originally posted by Trying:

Hey, don't look at me! The condom broke!

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I'm not joking. It's due June 13th.

sell it on ebay, help the economy!

Get it aborted, unless you want to become a slave for the rest of your life.

Fuck, I've been telling people to stop reproducing for a long time, and everybody always gives me shit for it. I mean at least not have more than 1 kid. reproduction is nothing special or magical, Its a fucking wase of energy recources and 9 months for women folk like me. And fucking Bush is making it so hard for women to have a choice.

Well I have a modest proposal, instead of not having children why dont we just eat them that will stop hunger and overpopulation. Kill two birds with one stone you see.

edit: I wonder if anyone will get the true meaning of this post?

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quote:Originally posted by Shadowfox171:

Well I have a modest proposal, instead of not having children why dont we just eat them that will stop hunger and overpopulation. Kill two birds with one stone you see.

edit: I wonder if anyone will get the true meaning of this post?

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Oh, get over yourself. It's the most famous peice of satire in the history of the world. Most people know about it.

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

It seems to me that the only way to save the earth is to stop reproducing. All this recycling and conservation and whatnot just puts off the inevitable. I find it hilarious when people talk about recycling and etc., and then they have a kid. It's like they just undid all the recycling and conserving and did 10x as much damage to the environment. I don't recycle, I don't do any of that shit, I'm doing my part by not reproducing. The bottom line is, there is a limited amount of resources, and a potentially unlimited amount of people to use up those resources. People talk about "preserving the earth for future generations." There doesn't always have to be a future generation, there is no reason that humans always have to be around. So if you really want to save us, the best thing you can do is STOP HAVING KIDS.

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youre the result when two stupid people are stupid enough to mate, and have stupid dumbass kids like you, retards: dont fuck, and save us from dumbasses like Parallax

Everybody is against abortian cause your killing a fetus with no time for memorys doesn't have anything going through its pea sized brain but you want to hold back the growth of a baby that could save the world just cause are limited supplies that aren't even half way out.

I say we nuke the rest of the world less people and we will have land to expand on in the next 100 years :P

Couldn't we find that enzyme that breaks down cellulose, put it in a pill, feed it to the starving children, and have them eat all of our cellulose trash (paper and old wood and stuff)

Now thats two birds with one stone

quote:Originally posted by Trying:

Oh, get over yourself. It's the most famous peice of satire in the history of the world. Most people know about it.

This is totse we're talking about here. Do you know how many dumbasses, 13 year olds, etc, are running loose around here?

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quote:Originally posted by dragonfire1990:

youre the result when two stupid people are stupid enough to mate, and have stupid dumbass kids like you, retards: dont fuck, and save us from dumbasses like Parallax

Tell me what you think is stupid about letting humans die out. I'm not saying people who are already alive need to die. I'm saying it's time to stop creating more people. By the way, both my parents went to Ivy League schools you dumbfuck.

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

By the way, both my parents went to Ivy League schools you dumbfuck.

So they are pretentious stupid people.

They usually don't let stupid people into Ivy League schools.

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

They usually don't let stupid people into Ivy League schools.

Is Yale not an ivy league school? Is gov. george w. bush not a stupid person? Point made.

By the way, I don't have anything against you or your parents, but the "Ivy League Defense" is not valid. If you say that you go to an ivy league school, you are almost certainly being pretentious. Whereas if the school you go to just happens to be ivy league, you are probably alright.

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George's daddy got him into Yale. Anyways, we are kind of straying from the topic.

As for our depleting the earth's resources. The vast majority of the resources we use are RENEWABLE. (flora and fauna that go extinct due to human stupidity are NOT renewable, though) Even fossil fuels will gradually build up again over millions of years.

Our problem is lack of responsibility. The lack of a sizable population merely masked this. We have no natural predators to keep us in check, and while usually cognizant of the effects of our actions, we seem to be in a constant state of denial.

I guess the only way to keep humans from reproducing is to forcefully sterilize them. Because they sure as hell won't volunteer.

Maybe we should increase the infant mortality rate. Back in the old days that helped stymie population growth.

"Let's sort our the food/air deal first. Then we can have somewhere nice for children to be born into" ~ Bill Hicks

quote:Originally posted by Gray:

You know, if it had sealed borders, the population of the US would be increasing very slowly or even declining. The same is true of the rest of the industrialized world (some countries are already in decline). It's immigration and the higher birthrates of recent immigrants that really drive population growth.

Increasing education and wealth correlate well with declining birthrates. Of course these richer people also consume more resources.

What a pickle, eh? By the time someone is wealthy and educated enough to learn from the internet that they shouldn't breed for the good of the planet, they are already statistically unlikely to breed beyond or even up to replacement rates. Even if they stop breeding altogether, natural resource consumption will continue to rise as the billions of people on the threshold of industrialization industrialize.

In one sense, you could say this is a reason why it's advantageous for countries to develop under their own power. In most of today's industrialized nations, industrialization and agricultural/medical improvements grew in tandem. New technology permitted new growth but also tempered the urge to reproduce. For many of today's poor, highly populous countries, they've received the benefits of advanced agriculture and public health practices without building a complete industrial society. So it is possible to have many children, without starvation or disease keeping growth in check, yet wealth and education are not widespread enough to lead to voluntary birthrate reductions. By the time they actually go fully-industrial, they will have much larger populations all starting to consume resources at an industrial pace (compared to the experience of the West).

A diamond in the rough.

Everyone should read this, as it is the most informed and balanced opinion presented.

The smart are being outbred by the stupid in essence. People like paralax (who seems smart), while trying to improve the earth, are only encouraging and quickineing it's demise.

The simple answer is for the smart people to assert their rule over the stupid, to prevent them from doing stupid things.

That's why the Mormons and Mexicans are taking over the world.

Its funny that this topic comes up again. There was a topic up earlier about Bush trying to ban birth control...or something along those lines.

Think of the population boom then.

Im not going to Pro-create.

Why should we stop reproducing? If we stop we are dead if we don't we are dead. The world will probaly get blown up in the future any way or we make machines smarter than us like in the Matrix. Its our job to use up natural resources like every other animal on this planet I admit we use a hell of a lot more then any other thing does. And about no natural enemys we do have one ourselves. If 2 lions are fighting how many lions could each kill at a time? Only 1. If 2 nations or even 2 people are fighting how many people can they kill at a time millions. I don't see humans living forever we are to warlike too probaly the next world war will thin out the population a lot.

screw you all. . . I'll reproduce as much as I want to. . .

Hey man if you wanna be stuck driving a minivan and working your ass off 80+ hours a week to bankroll a bunch of annoying kids, suit yourself.

Why You Shouldn't Have Kids

1. It is selfish to have a child. The child didn't ask to be born.

2. The world is very fucked up right now, and your child will probably be drafted to go fight in the wars that are currently being waged over the few natural resources that remain (if people would stop popping out kids, these wars wouldn't be necessary).

3. We are rapidly running out of resources. More people means less resources for everyone else, and causes the price of existing resources to skyrocket.

4. Kids are annoying as hell and expensive. There is no reason to want kids. All they do is piss you off, and spend your money. The average price to raise a child to 18 in the USA is $186,000. That's if you live in a shithole and don't send your kid to college. I don't know how many times I've heard guys say "I used to have a sweet sports car. Then I had kids and I had to sell it and get a minivan." Having kids makes you a worker bee whose entire purpose in life is to bring home a large paycheck. This a good site that will educate you further on the subject www.nomarriage.com (http://www.nomarriage.com)

5. I'm sick of new mothers showing off their babies like they're something special. Your kid is exactly the same as the kid who lives next door. It's not a beautiful or unique snowflake. Get over it. I also think it should be illegal to bring a baby on a plane or into a restaraunt.

6. 99.99999% of people are shitty parents (including one of mine). I feel sorry for all these kids whose parents are idiots and don't take care of them properly. That's the reason kids are so fucked up these days and we have school shootings and whatnot.

7. A lot of people have kids they can't afford, and MY tax dollars have to go to support these kids that never should have been born in the first place.

Works for me. I had a vasectomy thirty-some years ago, never had kids or wanted them.

Not worth the trouble and expense.

the problem is only stupid people breed.

the smart people are smart enough to know that having kids is a bad idea - bad for the parents (cash and responsibility), bad for the kids (forced to be born into a fucked up world) and bad for the planet (another mouth to suck at mother earth's proverbial teet).

but only the smart people realise that, so most of the people who are born and become the next generation are stupid motherfuckers who keep on raping the planet.

the unabomber reckoned that smart people should breed as much as they can, so that they can pass on their ideas to their kids, rather than the silly consumption ideas of the status quo.

fuck that. we don't need to breed to influence the next generation. you could adopt, become a teacher (well that assumes the students will listen to ya) write books music art, whatever.

"thou shalt not breed", the 39th commandment

quote:Originally posted by Rhodric:

the problem is only stupid people breed.

the smart people are smart enough to know that having kids is a bad idea - bad for the parents (cash and responsibility), bad for the kids (forced to be born into a fucked up world) and bad for the planet (another mouth to suck at mother earth's proverbial teet).

but only the smart people realise that, so most of the people who are born and become the next generation are stupid motherfuckers who keep on raping the planet.



Well, that doesn't seem true in my exerience. Every single one, and I mean EVERY one of my college professors are parents, and they all have doctorates and brains to spare.

Like the resident Playwright at my college. Well respected, a PhD in Drama, a B.A. in sociology, author of fifteen plays, has at least one new one produced every year, yet he chose to have two kids. Go figure.

Yeah, but then we have all these illegals who move here and have 9 kids.

quote:Originally posted by Rhodric:

the problem is only stupid people breed.

the smart people are smart enough to know that having kids is a bad idea - bad for the parents (cash and responsibility), bad for the kids (forced to be born into a fucked up world) and bad for the planet (another mouth to suck at mother earth's proverbial teet).

but only the smart people realise that, so most of the people who are born and become the next generation are stupid motherfuckers who keep on raping the planet.

the unabomber reckoned that smart people should breed as much as they can, so that they can pass on their ideas to their kids, rather than the silly consumption ideas of the status quo.

fuck that. we don't need to breed to influence the next generation. you could adopt, become a teacher (well that assumes the students will listen to ya) write books music art, whatever.



Abso-fucken-lutely right. Humanity is just going to get more and more stupid, lusty, and binge-craving. Any ideas for a solution?

Mandatory sterilization? Adding birth control chemicals to the drinking water?

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

Mandatory sterilization? Adding birth control chemicals to the drinking water?

You know what the irony is? Anybody who actually believes that those are real or viable solutions is exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be breeding.

Wow, really?

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

Wow, really?

Yeah, really. I assume you were joking when you made those suggestions.

Because first of all, the only FDA approved chemical birth control is for women, and it fucks with their hormones. We'd have a nation of male flower decorators and interior designers if that ever went down. I'm not even sure if there is a liquid chemical birth control that works when ingested. Besides, even if it could be done, you'd be stopping the birth of genius babies right along with the babies of Simple Plan fans.

And obviously mandatory sterilization is stupid because this is America, not Communist China. What the hell would we do? Drug people and drag them to the hospital? You know, I can honestly say I don't feel comfortable letting the government have the power to do that.

I suggest we start with education first. And if that doesn't work, then maybe, and only MAYBE should we go with kidnapping people and tainting the water supply.

Haha, I was joking.

Just get China to wage war against India. Both countries have well over 1 billion each and when they kill eachother out there will be alot less people around. Both also have nuclear capabilities so if they nuke eachother, thats atleast 1 billion dead, maybe more. then while thier countries are crippled and shit the western countries and Russia can swoop in and conquer. More dead people.

Its a stupid though but now atleast we wouldnt have to worry about the whole Easter Island effect.

I think a lot of people misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't want anyone currently alive to die. All I'm saying is that it's not right to bring more people into the world at this time.

Instead of not breeding, I offer three alternatives:

1: Conserve resources and devote more time and effort into alternative resources. After all, no race or species survives forever. Perhaps our resources are ment to be used like they are, and when there are none left, we die with the planet.

2. Take away certain safety measures. IE Food regulation, certain medical operations, nursing care. THat way, the mrotality rates go up, and we weed out weakly bred people. Kind of a cruel way of looking at it, but it would work.

3. Let nature take care of it. Hey, no matter how well we think we can control it, nature has a way of dealing wit these things on her own. The Black Plague, Nuclear Holocaust, War, Famine - hell, I'm suprised it's been so long since we;ve had a signifigant population decline due to disaster of some sort.

Besides, children inheriting a burden of "sucking up all of our resources" is due largely to the mistakes our predecessors made; the same we will probably not learn from. Why cut away their chance to suceed where we have and will fail?

Those solutions just put off the inevitable. Why don't we just not have any more kids at all? There's no reason to. There is not an unlimited amount of resources, and if we keep reproducing, eventually there is going to be a massive die-off. Why don't we just stop creating more people, and spare them a lot of pain?

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quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

Those solutions just put off the inevitable. Why don't we just not have any more kids at all? There's no reason to. There is not an unlimited amount of resources, and if we keep reproducing, eventually there is going to be a massive die-off. Why don't we just stop creating more people, and spare them a lot of pain?

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Parallax, I'd say "want to get married?" but that would be slightly ironic.

I totally agree with parallax here; kids are ridiculous. There's already 6 billion and change people in the world, if you need a kid that bad, just adopt one. For shit's sake, don't be a selfish stupid son of a bitch.

Birth control in the water would be a good idea - it would favor the elite, too, because the elite would have enough money to buy water and therefore have children.

Elitism rules.

I was joking about the birth control in the water thing. Mandatory vasectomies seriously might not be a bad idea though.

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Are you really that retarded? Here's a hint: To control human population and maintain natural resources you don't need birth control. Though it is worth noting anyone as dumb as some of you deserve to have no kids. Malthus, a great evolutionist, solved this problem 30 years before Darwin set sail. We don't need any help. Natural disaster, war, famine, and disease will contribute to control of population. Eventually we'll gro large enough that medicine can no longer contribute to our population growth. Numbers of us will die because human civilization is defined by misery and death.

Inevitably we will run out of materials to keep us sustained. But the Law of the Conservation of Matter permits that matter is never created nor destroy, which means it just changes forms. By the time or resources are exhausted we'll be able to change materials into different ones through different chemical processes. It is inevitable.

If you gave everyone a mandatory vasectimy, than the human population would not reproduce at all. We would become extinct and no one would use the natural resources...That fucking blows. How's this: You kill yourself and we have one less person, and your children, breathing the good air.

quote:Originally posted by Belisarius:

If you gave everyone a mandatory vasectimy, than the human population would not reproduce at all. We would become extinct and no one would use the natural resources...That fucking blows. How's this: You kill yourself and we have one less person, and your children, breathing the good air.

I already said I'm doing my part by not reproducing. Are you?

There should be a law like the japanese once had that people can have only 2 children... and the others live in the attic

That's a start, but mandatory vasectomies of all male babies would be even better.

Or start having abortions?

Vasectomies render abortions unneccessary.

We can assume Earth has limited resources. We then know that Earth has a carrying capacity for humans. A carrying capacity is the amount of a species a certain area can maintain.

The Earth's human population is rising but there are many varied estimates on just how many people Earth can maintain. Right now the population of industrialized nations is falling. Countries such as the United States, England and France are only experiencing population gains through immigration. These countries, espcially the United States use a large proportion of energy and resources.

What I'm proposing is that population is not the only problem we face in the future. It may be possible for Earth to have a much larger population than we do now with no negative effects. Right now we see a minority of the Earth's population consuming a large chunk of its resources. It is more important to change our current habits and foster an ecological point of view than to simplely seek a reduction of population.

If we manage to create a mass understanding of how we interact with the world a reduction of population will come naturally if necessary.



Parallax: Stop posting your ideas on population control in every topic started in the forum.

That may be true, but I don't want to drive some little tin can car that gets 100 mpg and goes 0-60 in 15 seconds.

Also, please stop deleting my posts, it's really irritating. If others can talk about conserving, recycling and etc. there's no reason I shouldn't be able to talk about population controls.

Tell me you don't want to reproduce again in 5 years and we will talk. Until then, keep on truckin'.

I remember reading that if the earth's population continues to rise at the rate it is now in the year 2600 every person will be standing shoulder to shoulder and the earth will glow red with all the energy we are using. Although by then I think most people won't be living here so?

just have two it keeps it static.

Yea just for the record the populations of all western countries along with most other modern contries are going down, in some cases almost halving the population very generatin. in other words shutup and bomb all the third world fucks with 20 kids

Uh....Porn seems like a good alternative.

But all joking aside, the best thing to do is, YES I AM AGREEING WITH FUCKIN CHINA, is limit the number of children a couple can have. Pregnant out of wedlock? Suck for you, your kid is dead.

I imagine that if all drugs were legalized and drug use actually encouraged the birth rate would go way down, this would also probably offset the cost of health care of all those OD's and health problems. Essentially, if society allowed humans to control their habits, a large majority of people would die at a younger age than they are now. I see no problem with this, it actually sounds like a better idea the more I think about it.

Somebody please bash this so I can see a different point of view.

quote:Originally posted by Psychotogen:

Tell me you don't want to reproduce again in 5 years and we will talk. Until then, keep on truckin'.

Have you ever lived with little kids before? Do you have any idea how annoying they are? The day I'm stuck with a kid is the day I commit suicide. Seriously.

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

Have you ever lived with little kids before? Do you have any idea how annoying they are? The day I'm stuck with a kid is the day I commit suicide. Seriously.



I am sending a little orphan to your door ASAP!

I'll sell it into slavery.

quote:Originally posted by pissedpat:

I second that, I don't think you should reproduce.

hehehe....

"the problem is only stupid people breed.

the smart people are smart enough to know that having kids is a bad idea"

so your saying that just because the stupid people breed that if your a smart person you dont breed and then make the whole population full of dumbasses, why are you so smart then if only dumb people breed ( your parents, their parents ect )

you basically just called us all idiots !

...animals breed like in a "mating season" dont they? maybe humans should try that. a person should only be allowed 1 or 2 kids in their lifetime and should only be allowed to have them during a certain time period. if we did that then wed even have more money, if less kids are being born then we save money and doctors make a little less!

and school's would be way less populated, less bullies, less shootings(if there is one, less casualites) the years (04, 05, 06 ect) would have to be spaced out? i dunnno theyd probably have to make up a different educational system



why dont we all just have kids and shoot ourselves before we turn elderly, those fuckin people take up more money than children, you have to put them ina hospital (and even some bus's! more money than a schoolbus!) which takes up alot of money and all the good drugs our kids could be using. hospitals also take up alot of space and without all the old people they would be alot smaller. the population would decrease a big amount if anyone under 70 were to die at once, think of all the old ass cancer farts who are using a shitload of money on therapy and everything and how they have to use a resource to develop things for them.

soo, the point of my post is..

no matter what we do were fucked anyway

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quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

It seems to me that the only way to save the earth is to stop reproducing. All this recycling and conservation and whatnot just puts off the inevitable. I find it hilarious when people talk about recycling and etc., and then they have a kid. It's like they just undid all the recycling and conserving and did 10x as much damage to the environment. I don't recycle, I don't do any of that shit, I'm doing my part by not reproducing. The bottom line is, there is a limited amount of resources, and a potentially unlimited amount of people to use up those resources. People talk about "preserving the earth for future generations." There doesn't always have to be a future generation, there is no reason that humans always have to be around. So if you really want to save us, the best thing you can do is STOP HAVING KIDS.

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THATS A BRILLIANT IDEAL!!! plus i mean in my opinion i think by not having kids we would sort of be doing them a favor. this world sucks and we all know that so why expose such a young inoccent person and there mind to this. thats just horrible, in my opinion its a horrible thing to bring a child into this world. who the fuck says we have the right to make someone live in this place.

but im not saying that life sucks ass together either i mean yea it can be great but eh still i mean what if they grow up to be rapist or something.

Yeah, that's another good point. It's ridiculous to bring more people into this world when there are so many kids starving in orphanages around the world. Instead of having kids, adopt one, or donate all that money you would spend on a kid to charity.

I agree with what most people have been saying so far.

I think a good idea (for the sake of ecology, and not the sociological implications), would be to seperate men and women completley. Like different cities.

So all the men in one city/half of country, all the women in the other city/half of country. These cities are constanly under a state of martial law, and all citizens are made to conform to the governments biased media influence.

They are all educated en masse up to the age of 16 in government university complexes (Think of a lecture room, but with seating for 2000 and loudspeakers, with armed police patrolling the stairways).

They are given tests, where the best scorers are allowed to enroll in the academies, and are taught a general education, including why this kind of a society is necessary, along with 2 of thier own chosen subjects. If they do not pass the test, they work in the factories, farms, and the military police academies.

Only the smartest, healthiest, and genetically untainted of either would be allowed into the special mixed cities, where men and women are free to procreate. These elite cities have all the best healthcare, policing, technology, emergency services and education facilities.



Oh shit, these are my plans for after I conquer the globe, not how to preserve the planet...



But yeah I agree, having kids damages the environment more than being completley green saves it.

Because if your kid has a kid, and so forth, you've wasted a lot more of the oxygen.

The ecology is only sustainable with a very small number of people who won't reproduce more than necessary.



But I'm sure the answer to all our problems will arise through technology, if we get the right stuff in place before the Great Die-Off, aka WWIII, aka the Apocalype, aka The Not-So-Cold War.

Just something which may be of interest: ~99% of the earth's surface is uninhabited.

quote:Originally posted by JubJub

Just something which may be of interest: ~99% of the earth's surface is uninhabited.75% of the earth's surface is water. Of the remaining 25%, how much has decent weather and etc, and is uninhabited?

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The problem isn't too many kids, but too many kids in a short period of time. Like baby boomers, and what not. What happens is that the later generations have to use up all their tax money for their social security, medicare, and whatnot.

If we developed a cycle where kids were born in a steady stream, instead of high and low periods, the economy and ultimately the world would be in better shape.

http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

Has some good ideas, yeah kids are a waste of time amnd money, why not spend that energy helping people that are alive rather than making more people that will need help.

i propose that instead of giving people with kids tax breaks and incentives, we increase the taxes that those with kids pay, because they are more of a drain on the system - use more resources and generally suck.

quote:Originally posted by ATypiCalStuDenT:

i propose that instead of giving people with kids tax breaks and incentives, we increase the taxes that those with kids pay, because they are more of a drain on the system - use more resources and generally suck.

Yeah, I agree with you on that.

quote:Originally posted by JubJub:

Just something which may be of interest: ~99% of the earth's surface is uninhabited.

Bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by Trying:

Hey, don't look at me! The condom broke!

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I'm not joking. It's due June 13th.

Well your an idiot , Go into the kitchen grab a butter knife then tell the bitch you made pregnant you wanna talk , When she comes over stab her in the face intil her eyes roll back in her skull. Then kill yourself with the murder weapon.

goddamed asians having 56 children per couple.

quote:Originally posted by Brown_Town:

goddamed asians having 56 children per couple.



More like 1.

I would argue that due to evolutionary forces, @not having children@ as a philosophy is irrelevant because those who live up to their beliefs will self-eliminate. That it doesn't really matter who is right, but who has the most children (demography is destiny).

for example: http://www.amconmag.com/2004_12_06/cover.html

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quote:Originally posted by ThereIsNoMatrix:

I would argue that due to evolutionary forces, euthansia as a philosophy is irrelevant because those who live up to their beliefs will self-eliminate. That it doesn't really matter who is right, but who has the most children (demography is destiny).

for example: http://www.amconmag.com/2004_12_06/cover.html



Wow this is really interesting. Nice article you posted there.

quote:Originally posted by ThereIsNoMatrix:

I would argue that due to evolutionary forces, euthansia as a philosophy is irrelevant because those who live up to their beliefs will self-eliminate. That it doesn't really matter who is right, but who has the most children (demography is destiny).

for example: http://www.amconmag.com/2004_12_06/cover.html

I don't recall saying anything about euthanasia. For the last time: I DON'T WANT ANYONE CURRENTLY ALIVE TO DIE. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO STOP CREATING MORE PEOPLE.

quote:Originally posted by AngrySquirrel:



Wow this is really interesting. Nice article you posted there.



Thanks. I was just thinking that while there will always be a percentage of the population that will not leave progeny behind (homosexuals, those against having children), the actual course of world events is decided by groups that have the birthrates to pass on their culture and beliefs.

Europe Chooses Suicide:

"In 200 years, French and German will be spoken exclusively in hell." http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/ED08Aa01.html

If the birth rates tend to be much higher in Islamic countries- what does this mean for the future of liberal democracy? Does it really matter that you have a superior culture if there is noone to carry it on?

I will venture a guess that most who are in favor of *not having children* on this thread are more liberal politically, and are probably appalled at the direction the USA is taking (Bush, conservative christians, etc). But remember that majority rules.

Of the 46 million abortions since 1973 in this country, you have to ask how many of them were done by conservative christians???





http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html

(the data here is only up to '98, so I added 6 million)



(Sorry about the euthanasia refs in my posts, i was responding to what others had said, but the point is vaild either way.)



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quote:Originally posted by ThereIsNoMatrix:

Of the 46 million abortions since 1973 in this country, you have to ask how many of them were done by conservative christians???





Who knows? Some of the people out there picketing abortion are the first ones to use it when they get pregnant.



As an antithesis to your argument, you can check out:

Arithmetic, Population, and Energy (http://edison.ncssm.edu/programs/colloquia/bartlett.ram) by Albert Bartlett.

You won't have to worry about Muslims or the Chinese taking over the Earth. Resource depletion, war, and population dieoff that accompanies depletion is natures' final solution to excessive population, and if there is anything consistent in the world then it is the resource depletion/dieoff model.

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quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

Resource depletion, war, and population dieoff that accompanies depletion is natures' final solution to excessive population, and if there is anything consistent in the world then it is the resource depletion/dieoff model.

One of the great things about Voluntary Human Extinction is that there wouldn't have to be a dieoff.

www.VHEMT.org (http://www.VHEMT.org)

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

You won't have to worry about Muslims or the Chinese taking over the Earth. Resource depletion, war, and population dieoff that accompanies depletion is natures' final solution to excessive population, and if there is anything consistent in the world then it is the resource depletion/dieoff model.



I am talking more about social and cultural power, not a Malthusian scenario. But population growth does figure into the near future, as for many years there was a large spike of births. This displacement is a factor in the current worldwide political instability.

Demographic Stresses Map - Young Adults, 2005 (http://www.populationaction.org/resources/publications/securitydemographic/images/illustrations/Map_3_YoungAdults_2005_larg.jpg)

How Youth Bulges Influence the Risk of Domestic Armed Conflict (http://www.isanet.org/noarchive/urdal.html)

But anyways I still say it will be muslims and conservative christians who will be facing the resource crunch, and those who are most concerned for the environment will no longer have the cultural clout [numbers] to effectively influence policy when it happens.

Global warming? Obviously a sign of God's wrath...



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Fuck like bunnies

Breed like rats

We're shitting out the babies and I'm telling you that that's

Mad against the better judgement in this human history

Take some time to think it over, it's not difficult to see

You can wait until you're older or you're in a better place

Just remember there's no winner in this fucked up human race

I know you might be searching for some meaning on this Earth

But don't be stabbing nature in the back by giving in to birth

And you're too ugly and I'm too fat

What kind of seed are we to spawn with genetic cards like that?

Addiction and depression are just swimming in my cum

And we're all weak and dumb

We're mostly runts and too high-strung

In nature mother eats the young

Who are we to breed?

Put away your seed

We can't evolve an iron lung

Too many people on the way

Our world gets smaller every day

As quantity grows, life quality goes

Our lives are sick and in decay

a homage to the great leftover crack...as well as the lyrics accurately represent my opinion concerning shitting out babies.

quote:Originally posted by Trying:

Hey, don't look at me! The condom broke!

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I'm not joking. It's due June 13th.

that sucks but thegood news is i have the same birthday

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*Canned laughter*

Too many kids. Forced sterilization of all mexican immigrants.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

Too many kids. Forced sterilization of all mexican immigrants.

It wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have to pick up the tab for them though.

I haven't yet! Don't think I ever will either.

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

That's why I'm getting a vasectomy. You can't be too careful when it comes to being stuck with kids for the rest of your life.

Thats just gay! they might as well cut off your balls! and then you might want to change your sex too

quote:Originally posted by not:

that sucks but thegood news is i have the same birthday



So does Tupac!

quote:Originally posted by DesertEagle:

Thats just gay! they might as well cut off your balls! and then you might want to change your sex too

Negative.

wow there really are people that think just like me

quote:Originally posted by eXo5:

Your all a bunch of dumb bastards, i personally don't give a fuck what becomes of the earth after i die

You dumb fucking cocksucker, do you ever wonder why there is massive pollution, resource depletion, overpopulation and extintion. Its an attitude like that, stop posting in Green Planet you ignorant shit. And no, you aren't going to spawn the next edison you slice of shit.

To the guy who said the US's population would be in decline if it wasnt for immigration, please, actually take the time to learn about what you are talking about before you start spaying us all with your verbal diarrhea.

quote:Originally posted by -Mephisto-:

You dumb fucking cocksucker, do you ever wonder why there is massive pollution, resource depletion, overpopulation and extintion. Its an attitude like that, stop posting in Green Planet you ignorant shit. And no, you aren't going to spawn the next edison you slice of shit.

To the guy who said the US's population would be in decline if it wasnt for immigration, please, actually take the time to learn about what you are talking about before you start spaying us all with your verbal diarrhea.

PWNED!

quote:Originally posted by Parallax:

It seems to me that the only way to save the earth is to stop reproducing. All this recycling and conservation and whatnot just puts off the inevitable. I find it hilarious when people talk about recycling and etc., and then they have a kid. It's like they just undid all the recycling and conserving and did 10x as much damage to the environment. I don't recycle, I don't do any of that shit, I'm doing my part by not reproducing. The bottom line is, there is a limited amount of resources, and a potentially unlimited amount of people to use up those resources. People talk about "preserving the earth for future generations." There doesn't always have to be a future generation, there is no reason that humans always have to be around. So if you really want to save us, the best thing you can do is STOP HAVING KIDS.



Holly fucking shit Parallax! I was JUST about to post a thread like this.

You seem to agree with me on almost everything, it's starting to get really wierd....

I agree 100% with the above post. Humans are just a horrible race. All they seem to do is: pollute the earth, start wars, murder, rape, pillage, steal, create bullshit religions, and brainwash the other members of society.

I'm not saying I'm better than anybody else, I'm saying I'm JUST LIKE everybody else. It's human nature to not give a shit about anything and want all the power for themselves.

If Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews, he could have done it in a more peaceful way. Rather than sticking all the Jews in gas chambers, he simply could have sterilized all of them. Have all the women get their tubes tied, and have all the men get vasectomies. Once that generation is completely steryl, all the Jews would be gone by the time that generation dies. It's a win-win: everybody gets to stay alive, and the unwanted people will cease to exist.

I call for mandatory sterylization of the entire human race. All the world's problems could be solved in about 100 years, if we just STOP HAVING FUCKING CHILDREN!

I agree, this is why abortion is necessary if people really want kids they should adopt... All those arguments abou wanting a biological kid is pathetic, a loving familiy is not necessarily blood.