I have been autosurfing for about 10 months now and am completely hooked. The general idea, for those who dont know is that you sign up for a program you feel good about (see below). You then pay an amount of money you feel comfortable spending into the program (or surf on any free units the site may give). In return you view other members websites in an "autosurf" window in order to make cash. After viewing a set amount of sites, you are paid a percentage of your membership level. You make money because your upgrade will be active long enough for you to make all your money back, and then begin to profit. You can also compound your earnings and earn even more.

I've earned some and lost some (profit = approx $25,000 CDN, minus about $8000 stolen by stormpay recently), but I've generrally come out ahead. This is the program I'm currently using - which is paying.

The NEW Eprofit Works - This is a combination of Autosurf-biz as well as the old eprofit surf. If you are currently a member of either your accounts have been combined. They will pay to their own brand new payment processor (which will then pay to egold and other options), so we need not worry about 3rd parties pulling the same garbage we experienced lately with Stormpay.Dan and Colleen are considered (among others) the top admins in the business. They are honest and have been paying out consitently since both programs started. Paying

UPDATE - Eprofit works no longer pays by percentage, but by bonuses given while surfing. I just made $60 my first session.

So this is one program i am with that has stayed strong thorugh the recent hard times. I have faith they will stay strong, because they have already been through everything without a scratch.

Dadndaves will also go strong again in the near future, but for now are not taking members.

I know we're all a bit jaded after the stormpay fiasco that ended our beloved 12dp (I lost $8000 in that mess), but fuck it. I love doing this, and so long as there are honest programs this remains a good income subsidy.

So post what new programs you are using, who is still paying, and what processors are going to be the next big thing. Hopefully we can continue to make some dough here.

Comments or questions? What Autosurf programs do you use? What has been your experiences with autosurfing? I have been pulling in an average of about $1500 a month for the last 3 months from doing this. When my newer programs mature I will be making even more. I would love to hear about others experiences with this


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Note: This thread is being established as the place for all things autosurfing on totse. Discuss the industry, your experiences etc... Post your referral links and introduce new programs here as well. DO NOT post your links outside of this thread. Forums like Totse generally frown on referral links, and special exceptions for this thread, and the similar one in IFIOTW, have been made. Do not spam your links either in this thread (out of conversational context) or anywhere else on TOTSE. Be mature about it. There are other places on the internet to spam.

Also - read this whole thread before investing in any programs. Some circumstances may have changed that could effect your choices.

Also, PLEASE, disregard any referrence to Stormpay. Do not use them (read about it in the thread).




[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 03-13-2006).]

Wow, I had never actually heard of autosurfing, but those are some fine links, I thank you very much.

Word to the wise. Dont start surfing for free until you read the FAQ's and terms closely. There is strategy to this, and you dont want to waste your time. Each site is different. The best bet for a begginer is to do the minimum upgrade amount for each program you join that way you have them match your initial investment and you will definitely be able to cash out.

Also, you should have an e-gold account because its the cheapest way to move funds through these programs. Stormpay is typically the other option, and they charge an arm and a leg, but they are more convenient.

E-Gold

Stormpay


Edit: Stormpay has a new feature where you can add funds to your account and be billed on your local phone bill. This may be good for people that may wish to try a program like 12daily but cant otherwise fund their accounts via credit card or bank account. Check it out.



[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 09-04-2005).]

so you get paid for surfing the net, or at least letting these programs do it for you?

You get paid a percentage of a membership level you are expected to purchase. Or you can surf on the money they give you for joining. The "front" is that you are paying to have a website you submit shown, and earning money for viewing a set number of other people's websites in the program (in a window that displays the sites sequentially like watching TV). In reality you are paying into a pool of money which is either invested, or added to other sources of revenue, and is then used to pay you.

These programs are like "moderately sustainable modified ponzi schemes". The programs rely on expansion for sustainabilty. In terms of investing these are very high risk, and you should only invest large if you follow whats going on in the industry - monitor who's investing in what, and who has the best track records. This is not a viable income alternative. Its better thought of as gambling with favorable odds.

The safer sites, like Paid Response and Studio Traffic have lower earnings, but will last longer. You can compound earnings for 3 months, and then you will get whatever you put in back for the next 9 months.

My first investment was Studio Traffic. I invested $100. With referral earnings My account is now at $540, or $5.40 per day. with referral earnings starting in september I will be pulling in $200+ monthly for at least the next 9 months (upgrades last one year) from an initial $100 investment.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-04-2005).]

Are the sites very buggy? I used studiotraffic about a year ago, and it never worked right so I stopped.

Also, for the above sites-- you have to click something every minute so it knows you're still there watching, right?

The sites can be buggy, no doubt. You will have to keep an eye on them to make sure they complete, and you may need to start the surf bars again. But no, in theory you can just let them go. I run all mine at once, usually takes a half hour. Paid Response and Studio Traffic can be run minimized.

If there is downtime and surfing isnt possible, your account will be credited. All the above sites have excellent support as well.

I should note also that there are hundreds of these things on the web, and many are outright scams. Dont Throw money at a program just because it looks good, check out what people are saying about it first.

All the ones I've listed are in the top ratings, and are paying.

Good god, ive just realised how much I can make, i was just wondering how risky it actually is to throw money in, I mean people are saying studiotraffic is worth it etc...one problem I am having is god damn studiopay....because I am england i do not think I have the correct accounts to use it, this is annoying.

Sure you can. Remember you can fund with any number of processors, you just need to withdraw through studio pay (for Studio Traffic). This requires a little work on a fax machine or with a scanner, but its really not a problem. You can definitely use studiopay where you are.

If that puts you off, try Paid Response. Its basically the same but newer. Its a little buggy, but the customer support is unparralelled. I would have no apprehension about investing in Paid Response.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-03-2005).]

personally I wouldnt invest any money in any other autosurf... except for studiotraffic
here is just one of the the reason that this site is gonna last for a long long time.... http://www.studiotraffic.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20360

I find it funny that with an intial $1000 investment, you could earn around that amount every month...invest a bit more and eventaully you woul be earning over $5000 per month...wow.

Totally feasible, but it takes a little time.

So how much money and time did you have to put into 12%Daily to make over 4k?

I have heard that some people actually quit their jobs and make their money on nothing but autosurfing now. Hell, some people are even joining the company. Studiotraffic seems to be the most stable of the companies.

Personally, I'd invest in it for no longer than 6 months, pull my money out and start on the Forex.

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Originally posted by smurfzapper11:
personally I wouldnt invest any money in any other autosurf... except for studiotraffic
here is just one of the the reason that this site is gonna last for a long long time.... [URL=http: //www.stud iotraffic. org/forum/ showthread .php?t=203 60]http:// www.studio traffic.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20360[/URL]

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spamming?

^yeah, more like hi-jacked spamming though. I didn't mind the first post though because it was actually a bit informative.

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So how much money and time did you have to put into 12%Daily to make over 4k?

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Well, I've been paid 5 times. The first 4 payments were small - All under $100. The last one was the most significant. I put in $3000, and in 16 days I was paid $4326. So In total I guess the profit is closer to 2 grand than 4 (Edit: I am now very close to having earned over $4000 from 12 daily). Didnt mean to misrepresent. Fact is, that was more than I would normally invest. But I was fairly certain it was a safe move because they are still expanding rapidly and currently are the top program, so I said fuck it and went for a cash grab.

The rule though is to not spend more than you can afford to lose if something does go awry. 12 Daily is awesome right now, but It wont last as long as the other 1% sites. for the next month or two I would continue to use 12 daily, but at the first sign of trouble I'm out of there, because when it goes it will go fast. For now its a good place to throw disposable income of you have it.

As for the "spamming" I personally dont see a problem with posting your links (Not speaking on behalf of totse here, some may disagree). There should be 1 thread in the money forum where it is allowed. So if its an autosurf link post it in this thread only. That should be ok. (If its not I apologise.)




[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 10-10-2005).]

I'm glad everyone here is smart enough not to mention surfjunky.

Dagnabitt, I saw you used Stormpay. Do you like that better than Egold? Their fees kind of scare me away.

Do I need a credit card to do this?
Can I do this with my 56k dialup connection?

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Dagnabitt, I saw you used Stormpay. Do you like that better than Egold? Their fees kind of scare me away.

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Fuck No. Egold is the way to go. Stormpay Rapes you. However , my credit card was the only place to get the funds for that payment and it would have cost me much more to buy egold with it. Given the choice I would use egold every time.

SG, you dont need a credit card, but you do need a means to fund a payment processor that is accepted by the program. You can buy egold through various methods, and go from there. Thats your smartest bet.
[URL=http: //davis-co mpany.com/ e-gold/con tactus.htm l]http://d avis-compa ny.com/e-g old/contactus.html[/URL] http://www.goldcurrencies.ca/ http://www.icegold.com/

Gold currencies.ca is good for canadians, you can actually email them cash if you bank with certain banks, like RBC.

56k probably wont allow you to do multiple sites at once, but you should be cool with one at a time.

This Program was just released today. It is the long awaited second program from Paid Response's Aarron Browning.

Like Studio Traffic and PR, you get 1% of your account level PLUS 2% of your downlines total income. This will be huge.

Paid Exposure

Free $10 with mandatory $20 upgrade. I used it last night for the first time. This is definitely a superior program. Even better than Paid Response.




[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-08-2005).]

So can paypal be used with these autoprograms? And what exactly makes egold better(if it is)?

Paypal can be used with Studio Traffic, Hitzpay, Eprofit Surf, Paid Response, and Paid Exposure.

Egold is better because you can send and receive payments for very little fees. You will only need to pay a significant fee when you sell it for money (through whatever broker you want). For people that do alot of reinvesting vs cashing out, it is a far better solution. Cashing it ouit normally is still at better rates than paypal and stormpay.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 09-16-2005).]

Dagnabitt, what would you recommend a beginner tries first? I was going to try StudioPay, but decided to go with Paid Exposure instead. Spent about a 1/2 hour reading through their guide, and went to register and after filling out their form the server apparently went Kaput! Just my luck. Guess I'll try them again tomorrow.

And you really recommend E-Gold? I checked them out too and I just don't understand their fees.

Oh, so you actually made some decent money from autosurfing Dagnabitt? Kickass, I oughta try it. I didn't know if anyone from the money making thread back in IFIOTW made anything worth posting.

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Dagnabitt, what would you recommend a beginner tries first? I was going to try StudioPay, but decided to go with Paid Exposure instead. Spent about a 1/2 hour reading through their guide, and went to register and after filling out their form the server apparently went Kaput! Just my luck. Guess I'll try them again tomorrow.

And you really recommend E-Gold? I checked them out too and I just don't understand their fees.

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Paid Exposure is a good bet. Its just new and the server is taxed. Stick with it. Try to surf at another time of day. The good thing about PR and PE is that if for any reason you cant surf due to server issues, you just need to submit a ticket and you get credited within an hour or so. Paid Response had similar issues, but everyone got paid regardless. If it happens to enough people they declare a holliday and you wont need to surf.

Any of the programs I list above is a safe bet. 12daily will be going for a while, and you will make money fast, but it wont be around as long. (Then again many people thought it wouldnt las half as long as it has, and it hasnt missed a beat).

As for egold, just try it out and you'll see they are the cheapest alternative. To be honest I dont really get their fee schedule either, but I have used them numerous times to recieve payment and they barely take anything compared to stormpay or paypal.



[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-09-2005).]

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Oh, so you actually made some decent money from autosurfing Dagnabitt? Kickass, I oughta try it. I didn't know if anyone from the money making thread back in IFIOTW made anything worth posting.

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Yeah, the problem is around here nobody wants to actually invest anything, and you really need to in order to make anything back.

So, let me make sure I understand. Basically, to get a decent amount of money per day, you'd need to invest about a 100 bucks?

It depends on what you consider to be a decent amount of money. $100 is what I throw into the one year programs. Compound for 3-4 months, and then begin cashing out monthly, taking in approximately the same amount you put in monthly. The math is the same regardless of how much you put in.

This is turning into a pain in the arse...

Ok, I set up my account with 12daily, and I set up an E-Gold account. I did my min 12 sites today, so now my 12daily account is active. I'm ready to put some money into it, but don't know how to transfer money into my e-gold account.

The site says I need to use an exchange broker, so now I have to go through yet another party and thus more fees? Fees with the exchange broker, fees with E-gold, shit man there won't be anything left by the time the money gets into my hands...

Advice?

Btw, Dagnabitt, I appreciate your help and am using you as my referral (you are buddha right?). Getting me up & running is in your best financial interests



[This message has been edited by LutherX (edited 08-09-2005).]

Yeah, you have to fund your egold account. If I had any in there I'd help you out, but I dont.

I've heard here is good.
http://davis-company.com/e-gold/contactus.html

Or look on the egold main page for there list of brokers.

If its too big a pain, just use stormpay. Unless you are planning to keep your money moving, the savings with egold are negligable.

PS, you WILL have to verify an account or two along the way. This is standard procedure and usually only takes a few days. I remembered being peeved too because I had to verify stormpay (you dont need to to participate) and the studiopay. But its a temporary hassle for long term convenience.

Would Paypal be easiest? I'm in the US, and from the looks of it those programs are based in the US, so maybe it isn't worth it to muck around with exchanging currency.

Also, from what I've been reading Stormpay charges too much so I'd rather avoid them...




[This message has been edited by LutherX (edited 08-09-2005).]

12 daily only accepts stormpay and egold. Paypal is not usually used by these companies because they are trigger happy with freezing accounts. Entire programs have gone down because of pay pal. So a company has to be really top notch to safely use them.

Using stormpay is a pain, but its not the end of the world. I'm currently using it until I get around to buying egold. At least with Stormpay you have the convenience of having the money direct deposited into your bank account, or a check sent to your house (both for no additional charge) which is not something you can do with egold. You can also fund your purchase through a credit card, which is what I did for my mega upgrade a few weeks ago.

Believe me, i know its a pain. But the income is still well worth it.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-09-2005).]

Grrrrr....

Set up an account with StormPay. I go to upgrade my account with 12daily and I can't because I already surfed 12 sites today.. No prob I'll do it tomorrow.

I go to upgrade my account with paidexposure and apparently they don't use StormPay. Fuck.

LOL! I know man, i've been through it all. Paid Response/exposure use paypal though. Easy peasy

stormpay is just about the most easiest to use when using your own credit card to upgrade your account.... and you dont even need to be verfied to take the check out.........but gotta wait 5 days though...

Yeah its not without its benefits, you pay for them though.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-10-2005).]

Ok dagnabbit, I've a question for you.

In regards to cashing out with 12Daily, I understand that you cannot cash out until your upgrade expires. But, when your upgrade expires and you have no other active upgrades, your account reverts to a free account and free accounts cannot cash out. So, does that mean you have to upgrade your account before you can cash out, or is it not really a 'free' account because you have an expired upgrade?

Thanks.

No, when your upgrade expires you cashout automatically (money sent within 7 days). Your account does become a free account, which only means you do not have a current upgrade and so cannot be paid. You will also not get any credit for referral purchases unless you have a current upgrade.

If I were to take a chance and throw in 20 dollars into one of these autosurfing sites, which one would take the least amount of time to see any returns/break even.

This is interesting...how do I get started? How much should one usually put in? To test the waters a little.

Kuki, if you justy want to try it with 20 bucks try 12DailyPro. The turn around is about 16 days on average, for a 144% return on your membership fee.

Andreas. You get started by signing up at the sites I list above and getting a feel for them. Then once you know what you are doing you can invest whatever amount you feel comfortable investing. Just dont risk anything you cant afford to lose, and remember that sites like 12 daily, while right now doing phenomenal, is generrally a riskier bet than the 1% sites. Post an email I can reach you at and I'll anser any questions you have. Or post them here.

Woo hoo. Checked my 12 daily account just now and found out two of my referrals upgraded quite a bit, giving me around $160 CND - for doing jack. This payout will be over $200 American from a $42 investment. I suggest everyone get on this boat. Its still hot and is showing no signs of slowing down.

Are their any age limits, like can people under 18 do this racket? If not, I'll find a way around it...

You just need access to a payment processor like the ones mentioned, and a means to fund it. Credit card might be out for you, but you can fund with your bank account. Just remember, dont invest money you cant afford to lose, there is always the chance.

I made a thread about surfjunky.com yesterday, it seems pretty cool. I don't see it around anymore though, so I guess it was closed.

EDIT: I noticed that some of your links were referral links, dagnabit; I thought that there was a policy of closing threads with these.

[This message has been edited by Adorkable (edited 08-23-2005).]

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I made a thread about surfjunky.com yesterday, it seems pretty cool. I don't see it around anymore though, so I guess it was closed.

EDIT: I noticed that some of your links were referral links, dagnabit; I thought that there was a policy of closing threads with these.

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wow some one is a little late on surf junky.... that is one of the biggest scams... everone knows that.. well I guess you didnt

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I made a thread about surfjunky.com yesterday, it seems pretty cool. I don't see it around anymore though, so I guess it was closed.

EDIT: I noticed that some of your links were referral links, dagnabit; I thought that there was a policy of closing threads with these.

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1) SurfJunky is a notorious scam.

2) As for my links. There was nothing on Autosurfing in this forum. This is a legitimate way to make money on the web, so I felt it deserved its own topic. I have also said that others can post links in this thread and it should not be an issue - similar to the thread for referral links in IFIOTW, although more appropriately placed. The idea is not to spam your link, put it where it doesnt belong, or make a thread for every individual program so that the autosurfing theme is overrepresented in the forum.

This is also a thread for people to learn about autosurfing and discuss the ins and outs of the industry.

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Originally posted by dagnabitt:
Woo hoo. Checked my 12 daily account just now and found out two of my referrals upgraded quite a bit, giving me around $160 CND - for doing jack. This payout will be over $200 American from a $42 investment. I suggest everyone get on this boat. Its still hot and is showing no signs of slowing down.

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One of those was me. I put in about $1032 on Monday, so you owe me a cut of that

I'm waiting for my first payout. It's been pending for 3 days now, and will be a whopping $25.92. Well, less than that, since StormPay will be taking their cut. pffft.

Heh, schweet. I just received another payment as well. The average wait time is about 5 days from unit expiration. 12 daily is rocking man, its rad because they make you cash out, which means there is always new money coming into the system. I'm starting to think its going to be around alot longer than anyone could have imagined.

I think the rule of thumb for investing in 12 daily should be this, as long as they are paying on time (7 days), its safe to throw money in. As soon as there is the slightest delay and they start being late, even a little, on payments its time to reduce your spend. Until then, woo hoo.

Heh, my rule of thumb is going to be this:

I'll be pulling out my profits until I have my original $1090 or whatever that total is back. That will reimburse me for my investment plus all associated fees. After that, I'll be compounding and reinvesting until I can max out at 6k. Ultimately, I want two $6k upgrades alternating so I will always be making some cash.

I'm working on other avenues to make some cash, like real estate, but unfortunately I won't be able to take from there to invest online as I have things in the house to take care of. Priorities... Also known as 'the wife'



[This message has been edited by LutherX (edited 08-29-2005).]

Heh, does your wife know about these "investments"? Most people consider Autosurfing to be right up there with buying swampland in florida (ie they dont get it). I dont see many wives being too supportive.

Remember also, dont put all your stock in one program, even if it is doing well. Spread it out in a portfolio style to minimize risk. Although 12Daily is definitely a cash cow right now.

Also, of note, I think the max account level (for both allowed upgrades) is $6000, so you'll at least hit that sooner. I'm doing something similar. I've paid off all my initial investments as of now and everything I make from now on is pure profit. My goal (which keeps increasing) is $4-500 US a month in actual, non-reinvested, income. I'll be getting at least $500 this month, although I'm tempted to ride the 12daily train for a while myself.



[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-25-2005).]

Yep, she knows what I'm up to. She doesn't get it though, and is pessimistic by nature. I'm lucky I'm not sleeping in the dog pound for investing that thousand. She wanted me to try it with a few hundred, I wanted to dump the full $6k into it, so I compromised and did just a thousand. She was pissed but she's over it... As long as we get it back, that is. Otherwise, yeah I'll be in trouble.

I think once the paychecks start coming in and she sees it's for real she'll be more willing to upgrade.

And you're right about spreading it around. once I'm in the green with 12daily I'll be trying others. Using 12daily earnings, of course.

Crazy. Everyone is pessimistic. Its funny because If I said, "Yeah, I went to a poker game and lost a few hundred bucks" Everyone would just say, "Oh gee that sucks", and nothing more. But because I'm investing it online, despite the fact that I am indeed turning a profit, everyone looks at me like I have 2 heads when I talk about autosurfing. Its just such a starnge concept they figure it must be bad news. Despite showing people the cheques, not a single one of my friends will get into it.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-27-2005).]

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Despite showing people the cheques, not a single one of my friends will get into it.

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Lol, I can feel that. Try explaining the Forex market so that some 16 year olds can understand it. They think the only way to make cash is to work for someone.

Speculation, investing and saving is a strange concept that seems to go against everything they have been taught.

Do you trade Forex? I've been reading up on it. Havent quite got it down yet.

If anyone is interested, STORMPAY has a new feature where you can add funds to your account and be billed on your local phone bill. This may be good for people that may wish to try a program like 12daily but cant otherwise fund their accounts via credit card or bank account. Check it out.

I do some paper trading and reading. I haven't had any spare time on my hands for several weeks so I haven't got much chance at it except at evenings. With what spare time I do have I am mostly reading about how to set up an online business, Ebay products/ideas, forming an IBC to get out of taxes, writing a business plan, ect...

Here are the sites that I am learning from right now:
[The first is the best Forex site I have found so far IMO] http://www.surefire-trading.com/tsl/secret.htm
http://www.futuresmag.com/forextrader/forextrader.html
http://www.dantol.com/day_trading_currencies/


[This message has been edited by General Patton (edited 08-28-2005).]

Nice, you should start another thread with those links. I'd like to hear from people who have done it but not in this thread.

Luther did you get your first payment yet?

I just registered at 12dailypro.com, with you as my referrer dagnabitt.
Here's my link, if anyone wants to sign up with me as your referrer. If not that's cool, but I figured it was worth a shot.
12dailypro.com

I don't have the funds to upgrade for another few days, and when I do it won't be much (although I'll upgrade more regularly). But whatever percentage it gives you is yours I suppose, dagnabitt.

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Sort'a. My first payout is now sitting in my StormPay account, and I am in the middle of their 5-day waiting period, the fuckers. I didn't know about that up front. No big deal anyway, it's only $25. My first real upgrade expires this Friday, and I'm using E-Gold from now on so we'll see how much faster it is, or isn't whatever the case may be.

I can't wait for my next cashout. Once I see for myself that this thing's legit I'll start trying to get referrals. Not here though, since this place is already saturated with referral links.

Dkrunk. Thanks for joining. You're going to dig it.

Luther - You need to verify your account and they wont make you wait the 5 days. Takes very little effort and makes life much easier. See the stormpay site for details.

NOTICE

I was just noticed this message on the 12daily site.

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Important to all Hotmail users: Hotmail has decided to silently discard any and all mails that contain our URL. This makes it impossible for us send you any emails, including the validation mail for your email address. Please don't use an email account from Hotmail to sign up while this problem exists, or you will not be able to use your account.
Other mail providers with similar problems: comcast.net, verizon.net, sympatico.ca, msn.com

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I tried sending emails with the url in the subject and body, and they seemed to go through. But, all things being equal, you might want to use another email if you have issues.


[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 08-30-2005).]

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Dkrunk. Thanks for joining. You're going to dig it.

Luther - You need to verify your account and they wont make you wait the 5 days. Takes very little effort and makes life much easier. See the stormpay site for details.

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I can't verify it. According to the site a verified account has had successful transactions recently. So, after this one goes through I should be verified. Doesn't matter anyway though, since I'll be using E-Gold from now on.

Oh, and I didn't want to do this in your thread, but since DKrunk did it... fuck it. Just in case anybody else wants to join 12DailyPro and spread the referrals around a bit. Hopefully I can catch a referral as motivated as I am to upgrade to the max.

Here's to making some bucks, and to hoping I didn't just piss off the forum mod

I never intended this to be "my" thread. These referral links need to be posted in a contained place, and this is the thread to do it. I'm hoping more people participate actually, although totse is not the best place to advertise. More money oriented sites are.

Just out of curiosity, how are you funding your egold account?

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I can't verify it. According to the site a verified account has had successful transactions recently. So, after this one goes through I should be verified. Doesn't matter anyway though, since I'll be using E-Gold from now on.

Oh, and I didn't want to do this in your thread, but since DKrunk did it... fuck it. Just in case anybody else wants to join 12DailyPro and spread the referrals around a bit. Hopefully I can catch a referral as motivated as I am to upgrade to the max.

Here's to making some bucks, and to hoping I didn't just piss off the forum mod

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look at the bottom of the popup on stormpay, there's a website that verifies stuff online that they use. Takes a few weeks IIR what I read correctly; they call your house and mail you a PIN number etc. After that you're verified on stormpay I think.

As soon as I renew my campus mailbox I'm going to do it.

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Originally posted by dagnabitt:
I never intended this to be "my" thread. These referral links need to be posted in a contained place, and this is the thread to do it. I'm hoping more people participate actually, although totse is not the best place to advertise. More money oriented sites are.

Just out of curiosity, how are you funding your egold account?

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I wired $1070 to AnyGoldNow to get started. Took 2-3 days for everything to go through. It could've went faster, but I opted for a 2-day service which was at a lower fee. Hopefully, if everything goes smoothly, that will be my only wire.

Fast Market
Not really autosurf, just fund your account and they'll pay interest. They give away $50 bonus but it's locked until you fund your acccount. Unlike most other sites, this one has physical address listed.
http://fastmarket.com?code=003038193083000

you'll need the referal code to sign up.

4daily
The reason I sign up was because they don't ask so many question, just a valid email.

url : www.4daily.com
url+ref : http://4daily.com/?ref=200064

I've heard good things about fast market. What is the payment schedule?

Also, while everyone loves 4daily, and hopes for the best people should note that it is going through hard times right now. It missed last months payment altogether, and the september payment is likely to be in the 10-20% range. Still the fact they have not closed up shop shows how dedicated they are. They owe me 1600 bucks and I'd sure love to see them recover.

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their payment rates http://fastmarket.com/main_html_rates.php

if I understand correctly, they'll pay you interest everyday, the percentage of the interest is based on your investment size, the good thing is, the money you invested is still yours, after 6 month you can take it back or pay 20% fee if you want to take it back before 6 month, and it won't expire.

But I haven't invest anything yet.. so can't say for sure how reliable they are.

I'm tempted to try it. It just seems to me the autosurfs are more profitable, and less risky than hyips. I was going to invest in Prime Fund, and then it crapped out after 2 years, so I'm a little weary of them.

Man this sucks... I'm waiting for a nice cashout of $1500 from 12daily but I gotta wait 7 bus.days, and sat, sun, mon won't even count... *sigh* I'm hooked though, I must've logged in to 12daily at least 5 or 6 times today to see if maybe they processed my cashout ultra-fast. I have no more fund to upgrade with until it's processed so no surfing for me for about 1 1/2 weeks... what will I do... Gonna be a looong 7 days.

Dagnabbit, do you use EMO? I'm looking into them and they seem to be a pretty good way to go, but I don't know. It may be a very cheap way to withdraw funds, but it's yet another party on top of e-gold and the exchanger.

The payouts are usually done within 4-5 days, and dont sweat the "business" days thing, I'm pretty sure thats just an excuse to give them an extra 2 days if they need it. All my payouts have been by the 5th day. I'm expecting a payout anytime now (on 4th day) so we'll see if my theory is true.

I'm not sure what EMO is (I have heard of it but havent looked into it).

Have you got your Stormpay Account certified yet?

Of note stormpay will actually buy Egold at a competative rate (5%), but doesnt sell it. 5% is about average actually, and you'll get the security of knowing you are dealing with a reputable merchant.

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Just to warn you guys, there is another autosurfing scam out there called:

12dailyproDOUBLE.com SCAM

This site is a scam, do not use it.


12dailypro.com is LEGIT

12dailyproDOUBLE.com is a SCAM

Hey guys:

I am considering StudioTraffic, but I really don't understand the concept behind paying a middleman to view ads that someone else is paying this middle to display. Anyone help me out?

Honestly, that is sort of a front. Read what I say on the first page. What your doing is investing money, as a membership fee, into a pool of money that is reinvested, or added to other pools of revenue, which is then used to pay members. I believe the actual "surfing" part is just there to a) keep up appearances, and B) Make some income by selling credits, or selling ad space. You're not "really" getting paid to look at ads, as if there is some advertiser paying you to look at their ads. These things are basically ponzi schemes that work for extended periods of time. They're not legit businesses.

NEW PROGRAM - BONUS PERIOD HAS ENDED

Ok, I dont know how trustworthy this is, but I signed up. Its a HYIP, not an autosurf. But they're giving people a FREE $10 unit upgrade - Just For This Weekend, that will pay daily interest of 5% into your egold account. So, it might be possible to make 50 cents a day in egold just for signing up. 12 days and thats enough for a 12 daily pro upgrade

Investhits.com

Like I said, I dont know how long this will last, but there's nothing to lose. If they are paying, you might want to throw a few bucks into it because a free bonus being paid on probably indicates they plan on paying out for at least a little while, even if it is a scam.

Note: Once you sign up you need to deposit the $10 they give you from your account balance to make it active. Do not try to withdraw the $10.

Edit: The earnings are not paid daily, but can be withdrawn when $11is earned. WTF, no harm to give it a shot.

EDIT: SCAM


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NEW PROGRAM

This is a program I've been hearing good things about for a while now, so I thought I would make it my next investment, so I dropped $50 into it. The specs are as follows:

-2% a day for 180 days.
-5% referral commissions
-Free $10 to start, and free members can cash out
-Upgrades and payout through Pay-pal.
-Upgraded members surf 100 sites daily on 10 second timer.

Now because this is a 2% site it is generraly higher risk than some of the others. They claim to be forex investors, but this is impossible to confirm. They have been paying out though according to various sources.

Hitzpay

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Can I do this at age 16 in Australia?


FTW

Do you need to have your own site to submit?

FTW CHRISO, as long as you can fund a payment processor (Egold, stormpay, annd sometimes paypal, See above posts for links) Then you can participate. You can fund Stormpay through your bank account, and they also have an option now to charge it to your monthly phone bill, although I'm not sure if you can do this in Austrailia.

Invisible maniac, no you dont typically NEED to submit a site. You'll find though that once you join a few programs you will want to use your referral links in order to promote those programs. So as soon as you join one program, you will have a site to promote.

Thanks for the help, I'll look into hitzpay and paidexposure.

Nice way to sneak all your ref. links into there.

Read the thread, nothing is snuck.

So essentially, instead of marketing a HYIP, autosurf programs are the same thing, just trying to make it sound legit?

To be honest, I wonder if they would be more successful if they cut out the actual surfing part, as it makes their whole pitch sound senseless.

What exactly are they investing my money into? If any of us could find out, we could just do it ourselves without giving our money to someone, no?

Who's to say. Like I said alot claim to invest in Forex. Many are probably nothing more than taking from Peter to pay Paul. Its not the point really. The point is that they pay, and are fun. As long as you dont consider it legitimate investing you CAN make alot of money with manageable risk. You can get a feel for the ins and outs and where to put your money without knowing everything that goes on behind the scenes. Just have fun with it.

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One thing I will say is don't put in what you cannot afford to lose. Simply put in an amount which you would be prepared to lose. I put 1000 dollars into my StudioTraffic account which is what I am prepared to lose, however..I think ST could be around for a while

Dagnabitt....that HITZPAY looks pretty good..im gonna do some research and have a play with �50($92USD) This in turn should yield �180 payed into paypal...which I may use to buy a PSP..so in theory ive just got a PSP for �50, I just had to wait 6 months.

Also, could I ask you what you do for a living..or do are you an Internet Broker of some sort?

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I was just googling around and found this;
http://www.pajamaincomenetwork.com/

WTF IS IT?

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Originally posted by -extremist:
[B]One thing I will say is don't put in what you cannot afford to lose.

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That is the best piece of advice when dealing with any of these programs. This is gambling, and there is risk. The sites I signed on with (12Daily & StudioTraffic) are doing what they are supposed to so far so I feel pretty good. But be diligent, this is an easy market for scams.

Good luck all.

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Originally posted by -extremist:
Also, could I ask you what you do for a living..or do are you an Internet Broker of some sort?

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LOL. No I invested my personal capital (er, debt) in a psychology degree. I'm currently a counselor. If I had any skills with real investing believe me, I'd be doing that instead.


As for the PajamaNetowrk, I dont know anything about them, but they have some autosurfs associated with them I think.


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Ok, I just received my first real cashout from 12Daily for $1500, right into my egold account. I'm withdrawing about $430 and dumped the rest back into the site. So, we'll see how fast my exchange service can get me my check.

Still waiting on my check from StormPay though...

Heh, Nice Luther. Easiest money out there eh? Lets hope it lasts.

NEW PROGRAM

Ok, I've had my eye on this one for a while. Estrix is a seemingly legimate investment group that has been around since 2002 and are rooted in real internet business - such as web hosting.

They have a large reserve fund and have been paying out without issues since they openned.

The Perks

- 1.5% Daily
- Free $10 Unit
-Units are good for 250 Days
- 10% Referral Commission for Upgraded Members
- Acclaimed Customer Service and Support

This has all the makings of a winner. So, I decided to add it to my portfolio. At 1.5% it will compound very quickly.

ESTRIXSURF

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HITZPAY was down on Thursday..they offered to pay double...and still havent.

The double day is tonight after midnight. Their email was poorly worded.

Thanks for the email, Dagnabitt. After giving 12Daily a thorough look through, it seems more 'risky' than I thought. For a start the 12% interest doesnt compound, and the money you put into 12Daily cannot be withdrawn at all, and is effectively wiped off the map after 12 days. So if you put in $50, and only do the autosurfing on 8 of the 12 days the upgrade is valid for, then you actually make a loss.

Anyway, looks good. I've set up an E-Gold account, now all I have to do is set up an account in order to fund E-Gold, I think I'll go for www.londongoldexchange.com, because I'm in the UK and apparantly they're the people to go with.

Heh, thats where the risk is alright. lol. The way these things operate is by members paying "membership fees", and no they typically arent refundable. They cannot legally operate as "investment" programs, because you arent really investing "in" anything. The profit you make is based on a daily return based on your membership level. Think of it this way, nowhere in actual investing will you get almost a 50% return in 12 days, which is about the profit from 12daily. Also keep in mind that you can make any initial depost back over only a few cycles, and then start using pure profit.

Like I said, dont think of it as investing. Think of it as gambling with very favorible odds - where if done right you can sustain steady income that overrides your losses. The key to that though is joining as many legitimate programs as possible, and not putting all your eggs in one basket.

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Originally posted by dagnabitt:
The double day is tonight after midnight. Their email was poorly worded.

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Yep, I contacted support and they sent another email with good grammar...at least they try...Although with HITZPAY im getting out ASAP...I just don't trust it.

For 12daily pro whats a good amount of units to buy? How many have you bought dagna?

You can buy as many as you feel comfortable with. I personally start these things with about $100, give or take. The most I dropped into 12 daily was $3000 in one cycle, so I guess that would have been 500 units.

Extremist - Funny you should say that. I actually have a pretty good feeling about hitzpay. I hope it sticks around. 2% Daily is huge when you're used to one.

Dagnabitt you have aim or msn?

I do but I'm rarely on it. If you want give me an email and I'll send it to you. I have to work 16 out of the next 24 hours though, so I wont be on until later in the week. If I sent you an email for joining my downline, you can use that email.

Edit: For MSN.

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insaneiswise(at)gmail.com

Right Studiotraffic.

I put in 1000 to start and after 1 month of compounding I have 1340 acct level. Okay so Im gonna compound until my acct is around 10k which will take around 10 months then ill get over 3 grand back for a few months.

Or I could compound until acct is maxed and then simply reimburse small amounts to keep acct level maxed and retain the profit...should be around 15k+profit in 4 months which is all in good stead...

Question, what's compounding mean?

Compounding means to take what you earn in a given time and then reinvest it the program. 12daily does not have a compounding option, but most sites do. Compounding for a 1% site might look like this

100(account level)(m=month)

(m1)$100X.01%=$1(daily)x30(the month)=$30
(m2)$1 30x.01%=$1 .30(daily) x31=$40.30
(m3)$1 70x.01%=$1 .70(daily) x30=$50.10
(m4)$220x.01%=$2.20(daily)x30=$66.00
(m5)$280x.01%=$2.80(daily)x30=$84.00

So assuming no referrals, and that you put $90 into the program (with $10 upgrade) you will be making basically what you put in every month for around 8 months vs the $30 you would make if you just withdrew earnings every month. You can increase your income over the year by many times the 365% return you would get without compounding.

If you are an active advertiser, this will be alot more.

Dagna sorry for all the questions, but I have about 6500 credits on hitzpay what do these do exactly?

LOL. You would use them to advertise other programs you're in. You're in 12 daily, so you can put your 12 daily referral link as a website. Converesely, you can advertise htizpay at 12 daily if you want.

And, especially if you are my referral, ask as many questions as you like

NEW PROGRAM

This is from the same admin as Autosurf.biz (listed in original post). He has been paying out reliably since he started. Both his sites have 800 number support and active forums.

The Perks

- 2% Daily
- Upgrades last 2 years
- Dedicated, hands on admin
- Referral system 2 levels deep (6%, 4%)
- Free $10

I put in $40 to make my account an even $50 ($1 daily) Should be a safe bet for a while to come.

EProfitSurf

This is pretty cool. I invested $500 into 4daily when it was at its prime, and then it went down (50 day period minimum between cash in and cashout, lots of room for things to go wrong). Anyway, they didnt pack it in and I continued to buy more upgrades from earnings, thinking i would be out the money anyway, so why not. Anyway, while they could have easily packed up and ran, they continue to make payments, even if they are greatly reduced. So from the $1600 they owe me, I'll be getting $160 this month, and possibly more in the future if the program does manage to recover. Thats pretty quality administartion.

Update: I received my first cashout from 12DailyPro on Fri for $24, which was from an $18 investment, and I received my second cashout on Monday for $430, which was from my $1032 investment. E-Gold is definitely the way to go. My current upgrade expires next Monday, and I dunno but I may just chicken out and get back the rest of my $1032. Actually, that's more like $1100 after all the associated fees.

After that though it will be compound time

Does anybody remember that big Surfjunky craze? When people were writing scripts and shit, then it turned out to be a big fucking scam? I wonder if someone could do this again for a new autosurfing program?

Surf Junky was a scam, pure and simple. There are other autosurf scams as well, but there are definitely honest ones as well.

Tip for investing in
12Daily Risk Free

(or with greatly reduced risk)

Here's a tip for those that might be timid about investing in 12daily. Stormpay will refund your money up to $250 if the site goes down and does not pay you. It wont do this in all situations, but it should in the case of 12Daily. Why?

For starters, if you dont get what you pay for, even if there are no guarentees regarding payments, the site cannot continue to solicit funds without telling you they are not paying out. Thats fraud.

Now the reason this would work so well with 12Daily is that you are due your payment within 19 days of paying in. You are paying as well for a 30 day membership, renewed with each upgrade. If the site were to go down within 30 days of your upgrade you have not received what you paid for (your 30 day membership, and then would be enititled to a refund according to Stormpay's Customer Satisfaction policies. This is particularly true if the site were to go down within 19 days, because you were not even given a realistic chance to make any money by 12 daily's own rules. That is not what you paid for. Lack of Guarentee's aside you are buying at the very least the chance to make money. If you do not receive that chance then you are entitled to a refund because under these circumstances 12 daily did not deliver what you paid them for.

I have done this before with stormpay for another site where I paid for a 50 day membership, and the site went down within a few weeks. My money was refunded within 24 hours.

The reason that this doesnt work for all autosurfs is that stormpay has a 50 day limit within which time you need to file your claim. Many sites, such as 4 daily, require you to be a member at least this long to see any returns (particularly if you compound). So it would not be as simple in these cases.

Anyway, this is not foolproof, but in the case of 12Daily it is extra insurance that greatly increases the odds of success with an already amazing program.




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Goddamnit. I try stormpay, and it turns out they cant take my debit card. I try e-gold, but I need to find another merchant to fund my e-gold account. I try londonggoldexchange, but they require ridiculous security measures such as sending a photo of your credit card, phone bill, drivers licence and gas/electricity bill.

Certifying/Verifying an account along the way is normal. Its just a few minutes on a fax or scanner and your set. Or you could try the egold funder that LutherX used. Or you can try the site I joined recently (See the thread about egold debits).

If you are the chaz in my downline, i have an offer for you. If its you I have your email.

Edit: You can also use Stormpay 900 Pay if you live in the US, and have money deposited to your account and then charged to your phone bill.



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Yeah, I'm the Chaz in your downline. What might this offer be?

Check Your Mail.

LOL, well Judging from the fact your account expired I take it my offer is rejected.

FYI, anyone that needs a Gmail invite in order to do this, as hotmail addresses are being rejected, let me know.

Well I dropped $500 into Paid Exposure. I think it's my favorite out of all of them and won't go down for awhile because it just started and is growing. I'd like for everyone to keep each other updated on their experiences.

Sorry dagnabitt, you emailed me only my 7th day. It's a good proposal, but the fees are quite a sting, and of course I would only be able to withdraw back into my stormpay account, and the only way (for me) to get at that cash is to have them send me a check, internationally.

What, no offer for me, Dag? j/k

Actually, I've been promoting 12DP myself, offering to put up their initial investment to join up. Only for people I know personally though, because if they try & screw me I know where to find them.

This surfing bit must be a scary proposition though, because even though I'm willing to take the risk and they can join at no cost at all they are still leery. Jesus Christ man, I even showed them my check and everything. The people in my neck of the woods need to grow some gahonies already.

I tried posting this for some of my fellow members on our car forum and they flamed me to hell and eventually the thread was deleted Idiots... Guys, I will be making a seperate topic for profits and experiences.

Luther, the offer was to sell him stormpay for paypal. Doubtfull anything you would want. Its funny because I've met with the same opposition. Its funny, like i said above, if I were to tell people I lost a few hundred at a casino it wouldn't stop anyone from trying it themselves, just for fun. But the fact that this is what it is, for some reason, and despite that I am profiting, makes people sooo skeptical. Their loss

Wired2stereo, there is not a need for another thread. This thread is about precisely what you posted. You can post your links etc... in this thread, as well as dicuss experiences. This sort of thing is generally frowned upon everywhere, including totse (takes no time for a whole forum to become referral links), so we need to keep it concise and in one place or it will piss people off.

There are numerous other forums on the net where promotion is possible if you're looking to promote, but you need to show some finesse because most forums HATE referral links (including here), and you will be considered a spammer and banned. So be smart about it.

Well my strategy here is to pull out all my monthly earnings from StudioTraffic (no compound) and inject it into my 12 Daily PRO account. And then I'll surf for 12 days and then pull out the money from 12DP and then inject it into StudioTraffic. Henche earning ALOT more than regular compunding. Who said you needed to compound the first day of the month? As long as you put money in before the end of the month then that months earnings will be boosted as well.

A little example here.

StudioTraffic account:
$1000 * 1% * 30 days = $300
compounding
$1300 * 1% * 30 days = $390
+ whatever personal funds you pour in yourself.

StudioTraffic with 12 Daily compounding:
$1000 *1% * 30 days = $300 *12% * 12 days = 432
compounding
$1430 * 1% * 30 days = $429 * 12% * 12 days = 617

So after 2 months by boosting your ST account with 12 Daily is making you $227 extra!

This is not a bad deal.

If wireing funds from StudioPay and StormPay etc would be quicker then it would be possible to run the 12DP twice before injecting your ST account again.

Reason for doing all this..... well 12daily pro is great and all but since it's so new not sure how long it will last, and everyone knows that studiotraffic is gonna be here a while.....

that's just my 2 cents

Its a good plan. I'm thinking about throwing a few more bucks in ST as well. I'm focussing on 12 daily though as much as possible. Its definitely the best autosurf ever. But for how long is anyones guess.

What do you think of the new StudioTraffic site. Its pretty sweet eh?

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yea the new st is looking awesome....I love how professional it looks

Well, I requested payment from Investits. I emailed them to find out how long it would take. They actually emailed me back and said Monday. I'll be amazed if they actually pay out.

Investits look interesting (and have an interesting sounding name too.). Do you just deposit cash, and then without doing any work, watch your balance increase?

I like the look of their "245% - 7 Weekly Payments" plan. Put in $100, and then get paid $35 per week, for seven weeks.

Too good to be true.

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Well, I requested payment from Investits. I emailed them to find out how long it would take. They actually emailed me back and said Monday. I'll be amazed if they actually pay out.

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They jacked up minimum withdraw to $25, and I'm 2 days short.

What? That sucks because thats when most of the free $10 deposits would become payable (around today). I had an extra buck in there because of referrals. Lets see if i get my $11.

And Chaz, I wouldnt put any money into Investits. Most HYIPS are too good to be true. Some are ok, like autosurfs, but most are scams. Stick with 12 daily

Well, on a whim this site drew my eye. I have no idea if its legit or not, but I figured I would give it a shot.

TenDaily

Now after joining and upgrading $10 (and receiving my fee $10 bonus) I found out that this is one of those surfs that forces you to have an active membership in order to cash out. Since payout is on the 20th, and upgrades are only good for 20 days, I will need to upgrade again so that my membership level will be $20 on the 20th.

So the gamble is $30 investment for $80 payout.

It actually looks like a legit site. It has a unique script and the mandatory account level could allow the program to be sustainable.

It pays 10% daily for 20 days, or 200% on your return.

So if anyone wants to take a gamble with me and possibly get on the ground floor of a program have a go at it.

EDIT: This site is bullshit, see first and 4th pages of this thread for why. I'm getting out

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Well, I requested payment from Investits. I emailed them to find out how long it would take. They actually emailed me back and said Monday. I'll be amazed if they actually pay out.

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I'll be amazed too, so keep us updated on that.

I do love the name though. Investing in tits...

All right...I am damned confused right now.

I signed up for stormpay, signed up for 12dailypro UNDER DANGABITS REFERAL (hint hint...im your referal darkrob3@gmail.com...so help me out hehehe...it will benefit you), and now what do I do?

I want to make some fast cash and get out...somewhere on the line of 200-300 dollars profit. I have enough up front capitol (+1000) as well, and I dont mind investing it temporarily...I just want a few hundred bucks cash.

So what do I do to accomplish my goal here. I am not in this for the long term. Can I get 200 bucks profit in a month or shorter?

Whats up with the 12daily site credits? what do they do? I am confused. What about upgrading to pro. Do I need todo that now? (I know I have todo it w/in 7 days...but I want to know I can accompish my 200-300 bucks goal before commiting).

Thanks.

Is your stormpay account funded with your funds? You need to do that first. You do this by using one of the funding options listed on the stormpay site. The easiest is a credit card. You may need to send them some info to verify your account. Once that is done you simply buy units from 12 daily, (prior to surfing for that day).

If you buy 167 units it will cost you $1002. You then surf 12 sites a day for 12 days for (1002x12%) 120.24 per day. or (120.24x12)$1442.88 so you will make $440.88 in 12 days (+ around 5 days for payout).

Then you can request either a direct deposit into your bank account (if you live in the US), or a cheque mailed to you.

Any other questions please post them.



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Thanks for the quick reply man, I appreciate it.

So I take it that each unit is 6 bucks? Also, when I signed up, I was forced to give a website name and address. I gave them my bullshit site I havent used in years. What was the point to that?

I have been doing some math, and if I put 108 bucks in...it would take about 60 days to get to a point where the money is good (51.6 bucks a day or 620 for 12 days).

I guess I am torn between just dumping 430 bucks in right now...or playing it safe and only investing 108, and waiting 60 days of compounding to get to the same point. Will the site still be up in 60 days? hmm....

Another question...how heavy is stormpay's fees? If I were to withdraw 1000 bucks from them, how much would they put on my account?

my math-

Buy 18 units ($108).
12 day cycle ONE. ($13/day)
That $108 is now $155.52. Re-invest $150.
12 day cycle TWO. ($18/day)
That $150 is now $216. Re-invest $210.
12 day cycle THREE. ($25.20/day)
That $210 is now $302.40. Re-invest $300.
12 day cycle FOUR. ($36/day)
That $300 is now $432. Re-invest $430.
12 day cycle FIVE. ($51.6/day)
That $430 is now $619.20. Cash out.
Continue re-investing $430 bucks every 12 days, netting 190 every 12 days.

I guess im just worried about the site going down or something. Also, is my math correct? Thanks.

one of the many reasons that I love studiotraffic http://studiotraffic.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25471&page=1&pp=10

They just increased the account lvl limit from 15,000 to 20,000.... but instead of having 5 accounts your only allowed to have 4 now...

also how many autosurfs out there hold their own conference... well studiotraffic just had on in malaysia check it out... http://studiotraffic.org/forum/showthread.php?p=208688#post208688

another question about stormpay-

From what I have gathered, they take 6.5% of whatever you transfer from their servers to your credit card, right?

Well imagine this- I invest $450, making $648 every 12 days. I want to continue making that 198 dollar profit every 12 days, so every 12 days I withdraw 198 dollars. Does stormpay take the 6.5% out of the $648 I make (most of which will go back to 12daily), or the $198 (which was the pure profit I am putting on my credit card)????

Thanks. Sorry for all the questions.

I'm having a hell of a time getting money into my egold account, is there a site anyone can recommend to put money into it or what can I do to make it easiest? Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks.

I've signed up to 12Daily (still trying to get e-gold using http://www.londongoldexchange.com/ ), but massivesurf looks better as it has a shorter cashout period of 2 days instead of 7. The problem is I don't have a site to advertise, so is there a way to signup to it without one or can someone recommend the simplest site to make to be able to sign up (free hosts, minimal content, etc.)

Hey guys, has anyone had a problem with getting on Eprofitsurf.com ?? I can't get on this morning.

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So I take it that each unit is 6 bucks? Also, when I signed up, I was forced to give a website name and address. I gave them my bullshit site I havent used in years. What was the point to that?

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The point is in an autosurf what you are buying is a membership fee that enables your site to be shown to others. What you are being paid for is viewing others sites. Its all bullshit but thats the scheme.

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I have been doing some math, and if I put 108 bucks in...it would take about 60 days to get to a point where the money is good (51.6 bucks a day or 620 for 12 days).

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Yeah, compounding with 12daily is pretty awesome, but programs like this really cant be trusted in the long term. Get in while its hot, and then get out as soon as problems start to show.

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I guess I am torn between just dumping 430 bucks in right now...or playing it safe and only investing 108, and waiting 60 days of compounding to get to the same point. Will the site still be up in 60 days? hmm....

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Statistically speaking, you would be more likely to profit by putting as much as you can afford in immediately, and then compounding with your profits, like Lutherx is doing. Time is always an enemy with these things. But use your head and dont invest any more than you can afford to lose. Just be smart.

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Another question...how heavy is stormpay's fees? If I were to withdraw 1000 bucks from them, how much would they put on my account

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Storpays fees are heavy. 6.9% to receive funds. So if you receive a grand your looking at about 70 bucks. The flipside to that though is you get the possibility of added insurance on your purchase if something happens, and you can request money be directly deposited in your bank. When dealing with egold, which is cheaper to move around, the fees are much less, but it usually costs around 5% to convert egold back to cash. So unless you plan on doing alot of reinvesting the fees are really a fact of life.

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From what I have gathered, they take 6.5% of whatever you transfer from their servers to your credit card, right?

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You cannot transfer funds to your credt card. This might be the stormpay debit card you are talking about. The only fee associated with your credit card is a 3% spend fee to fund your account with a credit card.

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Well imagine this- I invest $450, making $648 every 12 days. I want to continue making that 198 dollar profit every 12 days, so every 12 days I withdraw 198 dollars. Does stormpay take the 6.5% out of the $648 I make (most of which will go back to 12daily), or the $198 (which was the pure profit I am putting on my credit card)????

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Stormpay charges 6.9% on whatever ammount you receive into your account.

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I'm having a hell of a time getting money into my egold account, is there a site anyone can recommend to put money into it or what can I do to make it easiest? Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks

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There have been a few mentioned throughout this thread.

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The problem is I don't have a site to advertise, so is there a way to signup to it without one or can someone recommend the simplest site to make to be able to sign up

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You can use pretty much any site. Just pick one you like and add it.

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Hey guys, has anyone had a problem with getting on Eprofitsurf.com ?? I can't get on this morning.

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Its up now. These sites always have little downtimes here and there.



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2 New HIGH PAYOUT/RISK Short Term Programs

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but massivesurf looks better as it has a shorter cashout period of 2 days instead of 7

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Massive surf has yet to prove itself the same way 12daily has. It does look promising though. It uses the original 12 daily script.
It could very well be a very big site. Its basically the same as 12 daily except you need to buy a set upgrade package, the cheapest of which is $12. They claim to pay within 48 hours, they only accept egold, and until mid october they are giving 13% for the last 5 days of the upgrade. I'm definitely going to try it when i get some egold.

Check it out here

MassiveSurf .CAUTION - Has been down for two days without explanation.
Some people are calling scam.SCAM

Also, I've been watching this one for a while. Its been getting really good reviews and has been paying out regularly. Its great if you have a few extra bucks left over in your stormpay or Egold account that would just be sitting there anyway. You get .75 for each .50 upgrade in 10 days. Payouts each week or by request within 48 hours.

50cent2surf




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Just got my first cheque from studiotraffic (for august). Its weird because its a personal cheque, handwritten in ink.

It will also be my last now that I have my egold debit card.

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Originally posted by dagnabitt:
[b]NEW PROGRAM

This is from the same admin as Autosurf.biz (listed in original post). He has been paying out reliably since he started. Both his sites have 800 number support and active forums.

The Perks

- 2% Daily
- Upgrades last 2 years
- Dedicated, hands on admin
- Referral system 2 levels deep (6%, 4%)
- Free $10

I put in $40 to make my account an even $50 ($1 daily) Should be a safe bet for a while to come.

EProfitSurf[/B]

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Ok, I decided to try this autosurfing thing, and went with this program since it's new. I invested only $10 since that's what I had in my paypal account at the moment. I have 2028 credits, and I'm confused on what to do with them, is there a tactical way to allocate this? Let me know if you can help, my email is [edited out, no longer needed]

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The credits are to advertise a website. You can add a site to display in the surf and then allocate credits to it. Most people participate in more than one program, so they use their referral links.

Note: I think Eprofit surf was a good choice. Its brand new but from a reputable admin.

Any more questions please feel free to post them.

I've signed up to 50cent2surf, but I've noticed the minimum payout level is $999. Can you use money you have below this level to upgrade or do you have to keep pumping extra money into it?

I dont know where you got that, but the minimum payout is $5, and the upgrades are 50cents each

Hey everyone,

To all those considering autosurfing programs, I highly recommend taking a look at this one.
http://www.gcisurf.com/?ref=7465

If anyone has any comments on this program, feel free to post about them.

Thanks
Tyler

OK, the 50cent2surf has been upgraded and it now says on the home page minimum payout $5. I was going off what it said in the members section next to the cashout button (minimum $999) but I guess this is only to stop free members cashing out and will change when I upgrade.

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Hey everyone,

To all those considering autosurfing programs, I highly recommend taking a look at this one.
http://www.gcisurf.com/?ref=7465

If anyone has any comments on this program, feel free to post about them.

Thanks
Tyler

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I've been looking at that one for a while. I will join under you and upgrade as soon as I have egold, in about 3 days. It looks like a great program.

I don't know about any of you.. but I don't buy into this shit.

Not after the days of alladvantage.

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Originally posted by Jabba the Hutt:
I don't know about any of you.. but I don't buy into this shit.

Not after the days of alladvantage.

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I've gotten about 60 dollars from about 40ish I put into 12dailypro.

Dagnabitt, I've been reading your posts so I've got some type of understanding now, but let me put it into my own words and you can tell me if I'm understanding what autosurfing is.

I put money into whatever website I go to, and they (purportedly) give me a % return (1, or 2% based on what you've been saying) on that money. The return comes from other users who have signed up with the site.

So if I put in $100, I will get $1/day back which I would then have the option of compounding.

You said these are "moderately sustainable Ponzi schemes," but I don't see how they are any different from normal Ponzi schemes. Is there any additional source of money going into the "pool," besides individual investments?

Further clarification: This eGold and Stormpay you speak of, they're just internet banking, right?

Lastly, I could probably afford to gamble $100 on this, what would you recommend doing for a minor investment like that? If I like the way things seem to work, I might swing more.

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Originally posted by deptstoremook:
Dagnabitt, I've been reading your posts so I've got some type of understanding now, but let me put it into my own words and you can tell me if I'm understanding what autosurfing is.

I put money into whatever website I go to, and they (purportedly) give me a % return (1, or 2% based on what you've been saying) on that money. The return comes from other users who have signed up with the site.

So if I put in $100, I will get $1/day back which I would then have the option of compounding.

You said these are "moderately sustainable Ponzi schemes," but I don't see how they are any different from normal Ponzi schemes. Is there any additional source of money going into the "pool," besides individual investments?

Further clarification: This eGold and Stormpay you speak of, they're just internet banking, right?

Lastly, I could probably afford to gamble $100 on this, what would you recommend doing for a minor investment like that? If I like the way things seem to work, I might swing more.

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Most of them (the good ones) actually invest your money elsewhere to get a high return.

If you're putting 100 in, make it 108 and put it in 12dailypro.
In about 15 days you'll have 155.52 less stormpay's fees sitting in your bank account.

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Originally posted by deptstoremook:
Dagnabitt, I've been reading your posts so I've got some type of understanding now, but let me put it into my own words and you can tell me if I'm understanding what autosurfing is.

I put money into whatever website I go to, and they (purportedly) give me a % return (1, or 2% based on what you've been saying) on that money. The return comes from other users who have signed up with the site.

So if I put in $100, I will get $1/day back which I would then have the option of compounding.

You said these are "moderately sustainable Ponzi schemes," but I don't see how they are any different from normal Ponzi schemes. Is there any additional source of money going into the "pool," besides individual investments?

Further clarification: This eGold and Stormpay you speak of, they're just internet banking, right?

Lastly, I could probably afford to gamble $100 on this, what would you recommend doing for a minor investment like that? If I like the way things seem to work, I might swing more.

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for short time investments.... you could go with 12dailypro


but for more insuring and long term insurance and the safest bet of em all is studiotraffic


what sets studiotraffic apart from the others is that it was the company that started all the autosurf trends and is still going strong, they have many new on going things in the works like.. having a studio office in every single state and big countries world wide....

Update. Just got my 2nd paycheck from 12dp last Friday, for about $511. Just $140 more to go and I'll have back every penny I put into these things.



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Originally posted by deptstoremook:
I put money into whatever website I go to, and they (purportedly) give me a % return (1, or 2% based on what you've been saying) on that money. The return comes from other users who have signed up with the site.

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Right, in autosurfing you are buying a membership. That membership fee is (on the surface) to have others view your site. You are then also paid to view others sites. In reality though you could get rid of the surfing altogether and the money would work the same way, as with HYIPS.

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So if I put in $100, I will get $1/day back which I would then have the option of compounding.

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Yes you could either compound through the program, or by reinvesting payments as with 12 daily.

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You said these are "moderately sustainable Ponzi schemes," but I don't see how they are any different from normal Ponzi schemes.

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The best way to address this is to say that Ponzi made alot of people rich before he made alot of people broke. Autosurfs, unlike Ponzi, do not guarentee profit. They encourage people to be well aware of the risks involved. I think of this as gambling with very favorable odds. Unless the company is using other streams of revenue to pay members, which many do, then the basic model is a Ponzi.

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Is there any additional source of money going into the "pool," besides individual investments?

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Many claim anything from forex investing (most common) to smaller internet based businesses. But there is really no way to affirm this. There would be numerous ways to make money as an admin of one of these things that you could put back into the program, but the most lucrative would not be legal

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Further clarification: This eGold and Stormpay you speak of, they're just internet banking, right?

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Stormpay is similar to pay pal. Egold is a litle different, you can read about it on the site because its a long explanation. Both are payment processors.

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Lastly, I could probably afford to gamble $100 on this, what would you recommend doing for a minor investment like that? If I like the way things seem to work, I might swing more.

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12 daily is still a huge cash cow right now, so to see the fastest results that might be a good idea. However, a general rule of thumb is that lower interest programs are more sustainable.

I personally do this portfolio style. I invest in many programs at the same time so if one craps out I've minimized my risk. You can only do this if you have a bit to spend. I''m riding solely on earnings now so I can afford to take larger risks.

If you want to lay down one "hand" and see what comes back. I would do 12daily



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Originally posted by Jabba the Hutt:
I don't know about any of you.. but I don't buy into this shit.

Not after the days of alladvantage.

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alladvantage did things completly different. Did you ever send them money? no. You never invested any of your own money into it.So what does alladvantage have to do with any of these autosurfing sites?

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I'm not familar with all advantage, but I'm being paid. Thats all I really care about.

Lutherx, congrats on your success with 12 daily. How long did that take a bit over a month ?

I started on 8/21 so it's like a month and a half. Not too bad. Hopefully things keep going for a bit, I'm almost in the green and I have things to pay off.

...Then a job to quit... or is that thinking just a bit too far ahead? Heh.

*wakes back up

Hitzpay payed out this month....very fast payment into my paypal from Hitzpay....I only invested a small amount (�50, or $100 for you yanks..) and already I have �30 back in paypal! At the end of this month...I WILL have my investment back....I will then bank this amount and use my future 4 months earnings...which will be �250, which will be re-invested into Hitpay for 6 months...= �900, which will once again be reinvested...= �3240, so as long as the site stays up in 18 months I will have over 3 grand in paypal...which I will spend on ebay!!!!

It appears your 12-daily isn't starting to break down.

I'm about to make a long term investment into studiotraffic. It seems to be going strong, and will stay around. Only $200/month, I can risk that. Reinvest and invest. By next year, I should be making about $3k/month.

I might look into 12daily for some quick cash.

Just signed up to hitzpay, because they take PayPal. The great Dagnabitt has got himself another referral.

Simple arithmathic shows that with Hitzpay you get out roughly 60% of your initial investment per month. So a $100 investment gets you $60 a month. A $1000 investment gets you $600 a month. You get six of these payments before you have to make an investment again.

And one thing which is *really* bugging me is that the hitzpay site surfer window manages to make itself the active window every time a new page loads, so you cant just minimize it and forget about it.

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The great Dagnabitt.......

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What a nice ring that has to it

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And one thing which is *really* bugging me is that the hitzpay site surfer window manages to make itself the active window every time a new page loads, so you cant just minimize it and forget about it.

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The vast majority of autosurfs are like that. I actually find the hitzpay one to be one of the fastest and least problematic. It is nice to be able to minimize though, like with ST or PR.



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dag, could you give me some ideas on where I should post my link to get some referrals? I've posted the link in all the profiles I have and given it to friends, to no avail. I guess I could go on another forum and make a topic just like this one, but to be honest every other forum I know of has a collective IQ of mayonnaise.

Actually with hitzpay...if you go to the upgrade page...you can select allow minimized surfing...no problems for me so far.

hey guys, I am trying to put 100 bucks into 12daily, but stormpay is acting queer.

I add my visa debit card info, then I try to deposit funds to my stormpay account, but it keeps on saying I havent registered a credit card (arnt debit and credit the same thing when it comes to this kinda stuff?). Then when I try to goto 12daily and put 100 bucks in, it says I have 0 funds in my stormpay account.

What is the exact procedure for taking funds from your debit card, into storm pay, and depositng into 12daily? Maybe I am missing something here...thanks.

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dag, could you give me some ideas on where I should post my link to get some referrals? I've posted the link in all the profiles I have and given it to friends, to no avail. I guess I could go on another forum and make a topic just like this one, but to be honest every other forum I know of has a collective IQ of mayonnaise.

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Getting referrals is not easy. I have had the most luck posting in forums that are either 1) Money Oriented but brand new 2) Non-money oriented, but tolerant.

You need to find places where referral links are allowed, and where people are going to be interested. I know that sounds a bit obvious, but if I had any suggestions for you I'd be doing it myself

A good way to be successful with referrals is to be one of the first people involved with a program, that way you can advertise in the types of forums that accept referral links, while offering something that hasnt been done to death. I was one of the first members of 12daily, signing up on the day it started, so i had some success with referrals by spreading the initial word. Now its a difficult program to get referrals for because everyone in the autosurf world knows about it. So its better to focus more on non-noney based forums. Be creative. The internet is a big place.

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Actually with hitzpay...if you go to the upgrade page...you can select allow minimized surfing...no problems for me so far.

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Just make sure you can actually select that option (its standard for the script but is not always enabled). Also make sure they dont pay you a reduced % for running it minimized, which I have seen before.

Bluefox. If your visa is a prepaid credit card there should be no issues. You should contact support at Stormpay. They usually get back to you in about 12 hours.



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Also make sure they dont pay you a reduced % for running it minimized, which I have seen before.
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It looks like Hitzpay do give you a reduced percentage per page, so you have to view more pages to get the 2%. Since I'm on a free account, but about to upgrade I get 0.8 credits per page view when minimise is NOT allowed, and only 0.5 credits per page view when it IS allowed.

I like this program more than any others because payment just seems so much simpler. Instead of having to wire a bank transfer to an egold merchant so that he can transfer it to your central egold accoutn so that it can then be passed on to the surf program is far more complicated than just funding your surf account with paypal.

Might as well add my Referral link to Hitzpay.

Just got a job yeserday,quit today.

Anyway ive got like 400$.If put it into 12daily,how much cash am i looking at losing if it goes bad and gaining if it goes good?

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Originally posted by Juke_box_hero:
Just got a job yeserday,quit today.

Anyway ive got like 400$.If put it into 12daily,how much cash am i looking at losing if it goes bad and gaining if it goes good?

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If you put $402 (which is the closest amount to $400 that's divisible by 6) into 12dailypro, that amount would turn into 578.88 at the end of the cycle. You always get 144% of your money back from 12daily, and if you use Stormpay they take 6% of that, but that's a negligible amount.

I think Stormpay refunds your money up to $200 or something on a technicality if the program goes under, but I'm not positive. You'd have to ask dagnabbit.

Good god, 176 posts lol!

So after I put in 400, I can then take out $578.88 12 business days later.Then refund my account with that $578 and cash out 832.32 12 days later... and just keep going on to $1198,$1752,$2522... and so on cashing out every 12 days until i get to 6k every cycle in a few months??

Is that right?

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Originally posted by Juke_box_hero:
So after I put in 400, I can then take out $578.88 12 business days later.Then refund my account with that $578 and cash out 832.32 12 days later... and just keep going on to $1198,$1752,$2522... and so on cashing out every 12 days until i get to 6k every cycle in a few months??

Is that right?

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Not quite. The amount you put in has to be divisible by 6. You don't choose to take any out, after 12 days it's automatically processed and put in your account with whatever payment processor you use (either stormpay or egold). And depending on your payment processor, you'll incur fees. I use Stormpay because it's easy, and they charge 6% when withdrawing from Stormpay to your bank account. It really isn't much, though.

I figured out the problem, I was using apple Safari browser, and it was fucking up. Apon going to firefox, everything went smoothly, and I have just put in 108 dollars into 12daily.

....only to find out I cant surf cause the servers down. WTF? Anyone know if this is a bad sign, or if its just a small problem that will be fixed by later today? I saw they were recently netIBA certified, so I thought it would be a good time to invest the cash.

Thanks. And thanks for all your help, dangabit. Enjoy the referal cash I just gave ya! ^_^

Juke box hero, just a reminder to not invest money you cant lose. 12 DAILY is fantastic, but there is no telling how long it will be going. If you can manage the risk, i personally think its a good idea to go for it, but you have to be smart about it.

As for the stormpay refund thing, read my post on it. That is not %100 either, but you should be able to argue a strong case. I did it with another program that did crap out and was refunded instantly, but it was nowhere near as big as 12daily, so its hard to say.

Bluefox,

1) Thanks for the referral

2) Dont sweat things like being unable to surf with 12 daily. They are superior admins in every way. You will be compensated daily, probably sometime after midnight and payments will go as scheduled.

Honestly, I would say there is little to worry about with these guys until payments start to be late, that is after the max 9 day waiting period. I have yet to go over 5 days for a payment. When they start being late, you know things are slowing down and it might be smart to pull back a little.

e-gold and StormPay are a bitch.Egold... i dont know where your supposed your deposit funds at.

I cant even sign up with Stormpay.I tried yahoo,hotmail,and gmail and it always says "Please enter a valid email address. The e-mail you supplied is for a
free hosting service or domain that is not accepted for security reasons."

Im sure this is the most pain in the ass part though.

I used dagnabbits links for the online transfer things and im gonna use d krunks 12daily link

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Originally posted by Juke_box_hero:
e-gold and StormPay are a bitch.Egold... i dont know where your supposed your deposit funds at.

I cant even sign up with Stormpay.I tried yahoo,hotmail,and gmail and it always says "Please enter a valid email address. The e-mail you supplied is for a
free hosting service or domain that is not accepted for security reasons."

Im sure this is the most pain in the ass part though.

I used dagnabbits links for the online transfer things and im gonna use d krunks 12daily link

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You have to use an "official" type email address...like one from your school or ISP. It took me a while to find one, too. After that Stormpay lets you fund your account with a credit card or check or direct withdrawal from your bank account, and lets you get money from your Stormpay account in the form of a paper check mailed to you or a direct deposit to your bank account.

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Originally posted by D Krunk:
You have to use an "official" type email address...like one from your school or ISP. It took me a while to find one, too. After that Stormpay lets you fund your account with a credit card or check or direct withdrawal from your bank account, and lets you get money from your Stormpay account in the form of a paper check mailed to you or a direct deposit to your bank account.

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I don't mess with egold because you have to actually buy and sell egold to and from an online broker, and finding one that allows small amounts of money without exorbitant fees was too much of a pain in the ass.

Agreed. Stormpay is the way to go unless your a large-scale transactor. Egold is a fucking bitch. As soon as I saw I had to wire-transfer to brokers to deposit and withdraw egold, I realized fast that it wasnt fucking worth it. Even though stormpay rapes you up the gonads with fees, at least you can do it from a credit card relatively easily...

Oh, and about the ISP email address...do you have a .edu address from a HS or college? I used mine and it worked fine.

Yep, Stormpay is up and running.Next obstacle is finding a way to fund it.Cant dial 900 numbers, dont have a credit card, and the only kind of bank account i have is a savings account.

Heh, your opinions on Stormpay may change once you do this a few times. FYI, I've found www.walla.com to be a good free email that is generally acceptable for stuff like this.

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Originally posted by Juke_box_hero:
Yep, Stormpay is up and running.Next obstacle is finding a way to fund it.Cant dial 900 numbers, dont have a credit card, and the only kind of bank account i have is a savings account.

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you can send a money order, I believe.

Ok cool Stormpay accepted my savings account as a way to fund my account.Fuck yeah, Im gonna try my hand at all these programs.

Oh and yeah,I went to get my cash but i was missing a hundred bucks . Im positive my uncle stole it.Damn crackheads.

Im not sure how you can lose your money though... Im assuming the only way you can lose it is by the site just dissappearing overnight.Either way, all the money im putting into this is disposable income.



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QUESTION-

When calculating what I would be making on recurring weeks of compounding profits for 12daily, I ran into a problem.

Lets say I put in 1000 bucks. After 12 days, it is worth 1440. Now I want to IMMEDIATLY dump 1440 back into 12daily. Do I loose stormpay's 6% THEN (turning that 1440 into 1335), or do I not have to worry about stormpay's fee-rape untill I try to withdraw the money back to my credit card (when I stop compounding and withdraw all my cash).

So yeah, I am wondering WHEN stormpay takes the cash. After you cashout after the 12day cycle at 12daily, or only after you try to cashout of stormpay? Does this make sense?

Thanks.

I've found that if I run my surfs in Opera, I can also use IE to surf other sites and the auto active window thing will just stay within opera and IE stays the active program.

Problem slved

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Originally posted by bluefox:
QUESTION-

When calculating what I would be making on recurring weeks of compounding profits for 12daily, I ran into a problem.

Lets say I put in 1000 bucks. After 12 days, it is worth 1440. Now I want to IMMEDIATLY dump 1440 back into 12daily. Do I loose stormpay's 6% THEN (turning that 1440 into 1335), or do I not have to worry about stormpay's fee-rape untill I try to withdraw the money back to my credit card (when I stop compounding and withdraw all my cash).

So yeah, I am wondering WHEN stormpay takes the cash. After you cashout after the 12day cycle at 12daily, or only after you try to cashout of stormpay? Does this make sense?

Thanks.

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I'm pretty sure you don't get charged the 6% fee until you withdraw the funds from your Stormpay account.

Stormpay charges you for any money coming into the stormpay account. You can spend for free, but anything you receive will be charged. This is why egold makes more sense for people that intend to keep their money moving.

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Originally posted by dagnabitt:
Stormpay charges you for any money coming into the stormpay account. You can spend for free, but anything you receive will be charged. This is why egold makes more sense for people that intend to keep their money moving.

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I had it backwards, you're right.

Also, Juke box hero unless that link is your site I would get rid of it. Thats just somebodies personal promotion site. a) You cannot trust sites like that for accurate information b) You're encouraging people to sign up under some person that has nothing to do with totse, lets encourage people to sign up under OUR links.

^^ yeah, what he said.

C'mon peeps, let's spread those referrals around. D Krunk & myself both need more referrals, and we need some other peeps adding their links for different sites.

I know I want to expand to other sites after another cycle or two at 12dp, and of course I'll want to give those referrals to people in this thread.

Oh, btw, e-gold blows stormpay out of the water. The only reasons to go with StormPay are if you are just doing a one-shot deal with these sites for a quick buck, if you're withdrawing small paychecks, or if you just like their convenience and don't mind paying for it.

I've withdrawn about $24 through StormPay and about $900 through E-Gold, and E-Gold's fees still haven't topped StormPay's. If you're going to bounce your money back & forth between your investment site & your payment processor, without withdrawing, Stormpay will rape you with their fees. E-gold's a pain to get set up but is well worth it.

E-Gold is more expensive on the funding side, however, but if you do this right you should only be funding once, or maybe a couple of times at the most.



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Guh. I would like to take this time to express my pissed-off-ed-ness with the following programs.

1) 10daily - Stay away. They probably will pay, but they have it rigged so that you need to have almost a months worth of upgraded surfing in order to be paid for a previous month, and a current level of $20 to cashout for the previous month. This means you are never going to get whats fully owed to you. I invested $30, I'l be paid $16 on the 20th, and I'm gonna take the loss.

2) Investhits - Even though I didnt put my own money into this, these fuckers lied to me and cannot be trusted.

3) Aussie Earners - The admin lost a bunch of money she invested in other programs, and is now waiting to cash in from programs like 12 daily in order to pay people. They owe me $112. They are supposed to be paying multiple $50 payments throughout the month. I have yet to receive my first, and dont know how this policy will affect my remaining $12. I also was forced to buy one last $10 upgrade from them to be elligible for cashout at all.

4) Paid response. Painfully slow in everything right now. Surfing is disabled and it still takes forever just to get into the site to redeem earnings. Requested payment 6 days ago. I'm confident i will be paid, but the program is being frustrating right now. Also, while their support is top noth, their programmers are fucking morons. I find I need to submit a ticket for pretty much everything i do. Once the ticket is in problems get fixed fast, but still.

Also, what Lutherx said above. You can fund your egold account through this company very easily.

UNICLEAR

They will buy and sell egold for 2%. They also provide a debit card, which they are now offering free, so that you can cash your egold out to the debit card and spend it the next day from any ATM or interac.

This not only allows for greater convenience and speed when funding and spending, but it also keeps your bank account from being overrun with "suspicous" activity.

I'm surprised... Isn't Paid Response from the same team that's behind Studio Traffic?

Oh, Dagnabit have you been paid yet by investits.com? And if so, did they pay to your e-gold account or did you have to open an account with intgold to get paid?

Thanks for the above link. I'll have to check them out next time I withdraw, as 2% is beats AnyGoldNow's 2.75%, and a free debit card isn't a bad deal either.

Thanks.



[This message has been edited by LutherX (edited 10-06-2005).]

I dont get why so many dont like egold. Its soooooo easy to use. I went through icegold. the wire fee was a bit much ($30) at my bank but they only took 2% and will only take 2% when i want money put in my bank account. Stormpay takes 3% when you deposit and 6.9% when you recieve a payment. how is this in any way better than egold? also i only bought $300 of egold so "its only good for large amounts of money" isnt true. I find egold much better than stormpay.

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I'm surprised... Isn't Paid Response from the same team that's behind Studio Traffic?

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No no, Paid Response and Paid Exposure are connected. And dont get me wrong, I have faith in Paid Response, they are just going through an annoying time right now.

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Oh, Dagnabit have you been paid yet by investits.com? And if so, did they pay to your e-gold account or did you have to open an account with intgold to get paid?

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Nope. They sent me an email saying i would be paid on monday. On that Sunday they changed their terms and when I emailed them back was told to see the revised terms. Fuck them.

Ok well im gonna go make a direct deposit into uniclears account right now.... hope it goes smoothe, if never made a direct deposit into someones else's account before.

Once UniClear gets the money,I can transfer it to my egold acount right?

12Daily seems to be back to normal

Would UniClear be alright with a British bank account? I'd rather not sign up and then find that they dont, that's happened enough times already.

Yeah you can wire or send a direct deposit to them at Barclays.You probably have to have an account though.I tried to send them a direct deposit at Bank of America and i made a total ass of myself.Luckily my sister banks there so she'll do it for me.

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Originally posted by gmail:
I dont get why so many dont like egold. Its soooooo easy to use. I went through icegold. the wire fee was a bit much ($30) at my bank but they only took 2% and will only take 2% when i want money put in my bank account. Stormpay takes 3% when you deposit and 6.9% when you recieve a payment. how is this in any way better than egold? also i only bought $300 of egold so "its only good for large amounts of money" isnt true. I find egold much better than stormpay.

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I guess that quote of mine would depend on what exchanger you are using. AnyGoldNow has a minimun $10 fee on trading your e-gold for a check in the mail. For a transaction of $500 or less your fees will be $10 through AGN, so in that case they are not a good option for moving, say, $50.

Of course, I wouldn't know about other exchangers as I've only used AGN.

Gosh, dagnabbit sure is making a lot of money off you guys.

Not as much as they're making for themselves.

^^^ lol

yeah, on the 12dp forums, someone showed us myegold.com, where you can make paypal to egold payments. Were just worried that the site doesnt look all that professional, nor does it have certification...anyone brave enough to try it anyway?

I might try it with a small amount.

Anyone else finding the Hitzpay autosurf window thing to be a bit unreliable? I keep on getting timeouts, (page cannot be displayed), so I have to press refresh, or if it's been left too long, log myself in again.

Well, I guess I just took my first loss. My $1.00 investment with payingdoubler.com was due to cashout today, so I go to the site and there's a screen up by the host's billing dept, saying the account is suspended. There goes my buck.

Anyway this pisses me off because I broke my own rule and recommended the site earlier in the thread without receiving any payments from them first. Won't be doing that again.

thanks chaz, keep us updated!

Ok, so can someone walk me through step by step how I take my money from my credit/debit card (suntrust) and get it into 12dp, then back from 12dp into my suntrust credit/debit card again? I want to use egold on my next transaction (I am putting in 600 bucks), but I am damned confused. I have an egold account.

It seems to me that the 2 and 3 percent fees, along with wiring fees and hastle, make egold just as crappy as stormpay.

I dont wanna use checks/cash/money order. I wanna do this all online, or at a bank fast. Is there ANY painless way todo egold. Can someone walk me through it step by step???? Help PLEASE

Of note Uniclear had/has/will have (currently disabled) thing where you will be able to buy egold through paypal.

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My $1.00 investment with payingdoubler.com

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LOL, dont feel bad bud. Doublers and Randomizers are pretty much all scams. Did that stop me from throwing $7.50 at the stormpay randomizer the other night? Nope.

Bluefox, you can use EMO to fund your egold with a credit card. Yu will need to verify your egold account though. Here is a step by step.
http://www.anygoldnow.com/emo.html

Just signed up at myegold.com.

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Registration compleate!
Dear xxxxxxx , thank you very much for registration!

At this time our system under the planned improvement. Please allow up to 24 days for account activation. You will receive confirmation e-mail, when your account will be activated.

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hm.

I still reckon they're legit though.

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thanks chaz, keep us updated!

Ok, so can someone walk me through step by step how I take my money from my credit/debit card (suntrust) and get it into 12dp, then back from 12dp into my suntrust credit/debit card again? I want to use egold on my next transaction (I am putting in 600 bucks), but I am damned confused. I have an egold account.

It seems to me that the 2 and 3 percent fees, along with wiring fees and hastle, make egold just as crappy as stormpay.

I dont wanna use checks/cash/money order. I wanna do this all online, or at a bank fast. Is there ANY painless way todo egold. Can someone walk me through it step by step???? Help PLEASE

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First, decide what exchanger you want to use. If you're going to use AnyGoldNow, then you start by submitting a buy order at their site. They will then email you a request to fax them a copy of your phone bill (or something like that) as i.d. verification. Once they have that, they will email you instructions for the bank wire, assuming you're doing the wire. Then you go to your local bank branch and give them a copy of the wire instructions. When that hits, AGN they will transfer the funds into your e-gold account.

Oh, and for the record, the fees using e-gold are way cheaper when you receive payments from these hyip sites, and that is the most important. Fees are higher on the funding side, and it's definitely more of a hassle, but this will probably be your only wire.

Not only that, but so far 12dp is the only site I've seen that uses StormPay, while they all accept e-gold.


[This message has been edited by LutherX (edited 10-07-2005).]

Aussie Earners Sucks

I'm digging my own grave by arguing with these pricks, but I'm pissed off at them and will put much effort into ruining them if I dont get my money. The following is my dialogue with them on their forum. The guy responding to me below is just a forum member. Then the PM was from an Admin.

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1) I understand payments are a little slow right now. I'm just wondering what the average time might be before I receive a) my first $50 b) my entire $112 thats owed to me.

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This is impossible to even guess... you will receive your earnings in multiples of $50.00 at different times...

I have been waiting for a payment for 2 months... if that gives you any indication...

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2) Because of an oversite on my part, i was required to buy additional surfpack to be elligible for cashout this month. Now, if this delay lasts longer than that surfpack, i wont be expected to buy any more right? I have fulfilled my obligation here correct?

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YES..you WILL have to purchase another surfpack to be eligible for payout...

you must always have at least one active surfpack when it comes turn foryour payout... sorry

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3) Because I am owed $112, and this is not divisible by 50, will I receive my remaining $12 in leu of it not being a $50 payment? IE its not ONLY $50 payments she is making right?

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as far as I know, you must have at least $50.00 in earnings when your payout time comes,or you do not get paid... so if you only had $12.00 left after getting 2 $50.00 payouts... you will not get the $12.00...

you would probably have to build it up to at least $50.00

but I could be wrong on this one... maybe papadellcan confirm...

hope this helps,even though it's probably not what you wanted to hear

Dave

Admin then chimes in with something to the effect of "yes, but this is good news because it will increase your NEXT months payment. And that it is not infact a problem.

My reply,

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It is a problem because I fulfilled the terms of the agreement on my end. Aussie earners should take into account that it is their fault payments are not being made in full, not mine. I should not be additionally penalized in anyway because AE cannot pay out. I understand delays, they are part and parcel of autosurfing, but telling me I'm not going to get the money owed to me unless I put MORE of my own money into the program is tantamount to...well I dont want to use the word.

Fact is, why would I want to put more money into a program filled with members that are saying they havent been paid in months, and that even though I purchased an additional unit just to be elligible for my cashout, that if AE "doesnt get around to paying me", that I am liable to purchase more units in order to get paid.

You guys are all real nice around here and everything, but that is a terrible business practice in a time when you obviously need loyal members. You guys arent the only game in town.

I lost $500 in 4 daily. It sucked, but its part of the game. They paid me $32 in place of the $1600 they owe me. But at least they didnt penalize me for putting my faith in them. Thats why they continue to have peoples respect and support. What AE is doing right now is insulting.

PS, no disrespect intended to you guys at all. But, if you value your membership you'll consider what I said. Cheers.

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My reply was deleted and I was PM'd this.

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Hi buddhacide,

I'm just informing you that your latest post in the forum was breaking the terms you agreed to upon joining AE and that I deleted it in order to protect you and to protect me. Not just because of the negativity, but because of your appeal to other members to join you in bringing down the program. I'm a long term member of AE and statements such as yours really upset me and are a direct threat to me and to all other members of AE. You have no long-term relationship with the program, yet you are so quick to judge. What Chery is doing is NOT insulting, it is necessary to survive! Too many members were taking advantage of this program by just investing for a month and then pulling everything out. For instance, just since October 1st, Chery has made 243 payouts. Do you see anywhere near that number posting in the forum that they've been paid! No! Too many self-centered individuals seem to think that they should just be handed the cash on a platter! Sounds to me that your intent is very much the same. What the program needs is supportive members that are going to stay with the program and help it grow. Not just drain the resources and run. Members like that are a threat to the program and a threat to all other members in the program. We have a responsibility when sign up for programs like this. You have a responsibility. From what I'm seeing in your actions, you don't want to hold up your end of the bargain. That's fine for you, but don't publicly advocate your attitude to enfluence others to do the same. Please.

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Cash on a platter? Buddy, Listen I know this program has a great reputation. But give me a break. That what these programs are - I pay, then you pay. You dont seem to have a problem soliciting my "cash on a platter" into your accounts, even when not paying out. If i put my money into a legitimate investment and then when it came time to collect was called "greedy" how do you think that would fly for future investors. Dont preach this "community garbage when your the ones going back on your obligations.

Anyway,I'm sorry I was negative on the forum, I understand that programs need to maintain positivity to survive. But I am upset by this, and it isnt fair. I fulfilled my obligations to AE. And then AE changed the rules.

And dont insult me. This is not the only forum in the autosurf world, of which I am a very active member. You want my respect you need to give it.

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I'll keep you updated on the results.





[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 10-07-2005).]

Sorry to hear AussieEarners is giving you a hard time dagnabbit.


I was wondering if someone on here would be kind enough to transfer some cash from their egold account into mine,and then ill pay you via paypal.Or ill pay you first.Its just hard funding this damn account.

Myegold havent got back to me, and it's almost been 24 hours. Maybe they are scammers, I think I gave them my paypal address, and obviously they asked me for a password for my 'myegold' account. Maybe they're just set up in the hope that someone will supply them with a password which is the same as the password that person uses for PayPal. I didnt.

Chaz you didnt use the same password did you? I have been talking to somone over email recently that is involved with alot of similar online schemes as myself. He recently had his egold account hacked somehow, and we have no idea how. He lost several hundred bucks. So be extra carefull.

On a side note the fag admin of the Aussie Earners message board basically threatened me with legal action if I told anyone the site is having a hard time paying people, because its a breach of their user agreement. What a douch. Like all these peole getting the shaft are just supposed to give the admin a big hi five for ripping them off.

I hate that mentality. Losing money is part of the deal somethimes, but this whole "keep giving us your money and maybe we'll pay you, and you better not say anything" attitude. I could just fucking kill that douche. Anyway, no more rants, but fuck them.

No, I didn't use the same password.

I was thinking, since there are no genuine Paypal-2-Egold merchants, it's a lucrative opportunity. Someone *ahem* dagnabbit, could buy more egold than required, and then send it to other users in exchange for a PayPal payment, plus about 5%. I'd happily do that.

There are many people online that do that, but its REALLY risky. The thing with egold is that once its sent there is no getting it back. Paypal, on the other hand has all sorts of refunding capability. Plus its against paypal's rules to buy egold.

So the scam goes something like this

1) Exchange paypal for egold
2) User 1 sends paypal first
3) User 2 sends egold
4) User 2 then turns around and says user 1 ripped him off.
Paypal then reverses the payment, because the seller cant prove otherwise.

In short its just too damn risky.

[This message has been edited by dagnabitt (edited 10-09-2005).]

AussieEarners has been having some problems, 4Daily is taking a dump. I made a write up for you guys and appreciate if some people refer me. I have no referals right now

Hey guys I've been autosurfing for almost 2 weeks now and I have over 2k spread into a couple programs. This isn't a scam like those other pyramid schemes out there were you get like .02 cents a day or whatever. Some of these programs take your money and invest it into Forex. Some of their other income funding this is people who buy credits to have their websites up for view by people who do the autosurfing. There are thousands of people on these and some have even more than that. Some of these sites you can compound your money meaning that instead of cashing out after a month or after 12 days, they put your money back in automatically and then your getting a percentage of the money you put in plus your profits from that month. So every month your profit would grow.

Some have a risk to them but before putting money into any of them, you should look into it and also look at what other peoples experiences with the program were. The ones I posted are reliable and are paying out. There are other ones that you could come across that are complete scams. A good site to find information about them and their current ratings': http://talkgold.com/forum/

Most of them give you $10 free to sign up and then some require that you upgrade your account. You will need either an E-Gold account, Stormpay account, or Paypal account to fund these.

DadNDaves 1% a month and very reliable. Has been around for years. No money invested yet because of the low 1% plus free $10

Eprofitsurf 2% a month, started in August, great new program and very great Admin. $300 invested plus free $10
Ex: $300 invested x .02 = $6 a day x 30 days = $180 + $300 = $480 cashout or compound

Hitzpay 2% a month, started in May and also a great new program that will be around for awhile. $300 invested then compounded into $340
Ex: $300 invested x .02 = $6 a day x 30 days = $180 + $300 = $480 cashout or compound

Paid Exposure 1% a month, created by the guys who made Paid Response which is one of the leading autosurfing sites. Was created within the last month or two. $500 invested plus free $10
Ex: $500 invested x .01 = $5 a day x 30 days = $150 + $500= $650 cashout or compound

12 Daily Pro 12% paying out every 12 days. Great program and has been around for several months. Looks to be very reliable and is ran really well. Your money that you put it is like a membership fee and then you get 12% of it each day. $996 Invested
Ex: $996 invested x .12 = $119.52 per day x 12 = $1434.24 cashout

SurfMunkee 1-4% paying out and cash out is whenever. Great program that has been around for over 2 years. $210 invested at 4%
Ex: $210 invested x .04 = $8.40 a day x 30 days = $252 + $300 = $462 cashout (Not sure about compounding)

Estrixsurf 1.5% a month. Very great program that is very reliable. $310 Invested
Ex: $300 invested x .01 = $4.8 a day x 30 days = $144 + 300= $444 cashout or compound

Exekosurf 2% a month. Another great program that should be around for a couple months at least. $268 Invested
Ex: $268 invested x .02 = $5.36 a day x 30 days = $160.80 + 268 = $428.80 cashout or compound

Mission Hitz 2% a month. Great program and will be around for awhile. $310 invested
Ex: $300 invested x .02 = $6 a day x 30 days = $180 + $300 = $480 cashout

Dagna, I liked GCI until the guy came on Talkgold and could not write a sentence properly. Thats why I havn't bought into it.

[This message has been edited by Wired2Stereo (edited 10-09-2005).]