im just wondering why people (if you do that is) think they should fight and give their lives for "their country" i believe in defending innocent people but why would you feel so patriotic about somewhere they didnt choose to born in, you dont choose ur country of birth so why feel that it is worth your life? im not saying your wrong id just like a few opinions

People have to protect themselves from invasions. In that sense, they're fighting for their country. Unless, of course, you don't mind China storming into your country, taking all your resources, and putting your family into labor camps?

As to "fighting for your country" while invading another country... that's most often a propaganda fallacy. In those cases, you're fighting for some political and businessman schemes. That's quite different than fighting for your country in self-defense.

maybe cause its where all my friends and family live. its natural instinct to defend your home, even if the idea of what you home is is expanded to cover a whole country.

It's also a basic instinct to be a wolf and not a sheep.

In your topic Real Terrorists, I mentioned capitalization. This time I'll talk about the apostrophe. Using apostrophe's is good.

Nox

Maybe because you feel pride in the country your fathers and grandfathers died to protect. Is there know pride in England?

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Using apostrophe's is good.

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Intentional mistake?

When diagraming the sentence, the subject: using, verb: is. Mistake: if so, totally unintentional.

Nox

I dont mind if you fight for your country if thats what you want to do. It just pisses me off when they draft you and you have to fight because of luck of a draw. I disagree with drafting and i feel its pathetic and useless. I feel the goverment has no right to force people to go out and die when they are not willing to. If USA is all about freedom they wouldnt allow that to happen thats just one thing out of many that i disagree with. I dont mind if you fight for your country, its just like if someone came up and was going to burn your home down your gonna fight for your house. But it just depends on the person and i feel like if you dont want to fight you shouldnt be forced to because of a draft.

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I assume you are talking about countries other that the US. The US has an all-volunteer force.

The fact that you were required by law to register for the draft within days of your 18th birthday is a far cry from actually being drafted.

If you take a look at our opponents in the Gulf War, the majority of that force consisted of conscripts (aka draftees). Throughout history, conscripts have been horrible soldiers (as you would be as a conscript). The professional soldiers want a conscript by their side in battle as much as they would want an upset rattlesnake beside them.

Save yourself piles of worry and anguish over the draft bit. No one in your life-time has been drafted (in the USA), and short of an extremely critical, dire emergency, no one will be either.

Nox

i was referring to all countries in general, and USA. I know drafting wont happen in USA for this war because there is so many volunteers but it could happen in the future in some other wars.

I wouldnt fight for my country at this moment in time i dont know why but i just wouldnt.

If i could of fought in one war it would of been for Tibet when China invaded - those guys didnt do a thing to stir a war and i believe that that war was a war which needed to be fought from a lot of countrys that said NO.

Peace Renegade,

I would fight for my nation, but not for my state(as in the US). I think our government is filled with traitors and collaborators, and they should all do the nation a favor and kill themselves. I might fight in a revolt, but I'm not gonna fight in our army or even sign up for the SS.

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have you been to a mall lately?

speaking of the draft: i didnt get my drivers liscence til i was 21. strangely enough i didnt get my selective service papers sent to me til about 3 months after i got my liscence.

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Nox

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dont get me wrong, this isnt fighting talk but y r apostrophes so good? hehe im assuming u meant i should use them but y? they are there to signify something belonging to something or a missing letter, using them with a plural is incorrect

FUCK YOU THIS IS THE GREATEST CONTRY IN THE WORLD EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRIORITYS ARE KIND OF FUCKED UP RIGHT NOW. IF I WAS BORN IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY I WOULD MOVE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.( Not that all of the other countries are bad)(but mine is better)

-kick ass

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The fact that you were required by law to register for the draft within days of your 18th birthday is a far cry from actually being drafted.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that they were thinking of bringing back the draft. (Maybe its just a stupid rumor going round the History classes.)

Just for the record, I disagree with the draft and believe that going to war and fighting should be something that you choose on your own.

If your name means what I think it does:

Anti-flag fucking rule.

1) Sisyphus speaks the truth - Anti Flag does indeed fucking rule.

2) I would consider it an honor to die for my country. For instance, if another nation directly assaulted the United States or violated its territorial integrity. However, I refuse to go off and die in a foreign land for what seems more and more like a geostrategic pissing contest.

Yea, dude.

Straight-edge, vegan hardcore 4 life!!!

(Ha!)

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1) Sisyphus speaks the truth - Anti Flag does indeed fucking rule.

2) I would consider it an honor to die for my country. For instance, if another nation directly assaulted the United States or violated its territorial integrity. However, I refuse to go off and die in a foreign land for what seems more and more like a geostrategic pissing contest.

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So you like the music?...

Anti flag has the gayest political viewpoints. Given I like their music. However, don't buy into their bullshit.

This political punk crap makes no sense. They are the most selfish of all. They would not fight to defend the freedoms of others. They think that it is pretty cool to be oppressed. Seriously, they want oppresion, just so they can bitch! They think making money is bad. They [U]must[/U] be poor.

They make no effort to change shit.

Now, I like some punk. Listen to NOFX's "Liberal Animation", now that makes sense. Given that the album is half-assed, read the lyrics. They talk shit about peace punks and vegetarians.

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Originally posted by lifezucks:
FUCK YOU THIS IS THE GREATEST CONTRY IN THE WORLD EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRIORITYS ARE KIND OF FUCKED UP RIGHT NOW. IF I WAS BORN IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY I WOULD MOVE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.( Not that all of the other countries are bad)(but mine is better)

-kick ass

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WoW, arrogance on a whole new level. Dude, you got to teach me how to do that.

First off I am not straight edge nor vegan, however there is nothing wrong with being straight edge or vegan...

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So you like the music?...

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Yes, I do....

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Originally posted by buttthrax:

Anti flag has the gayest political viewpoints.

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Homophobia... Thats sad.....

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They would not fight to defend the freedoms of others.

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Your mad because they refuse to go fight. Oh and by the way they are defending the freedoms of others, freedom of speach is one of them.

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They think that it is pretty cool to be oppressed. Seriously, they want oppresion, just so they can bitch! They think making money is bad. They [U]must[/U] be poor.

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They want oppression... Holy shit, really hope that is sarcasm. They don't want opression, they speak out against it.
They are not exactly rich... Do you see em on MTV? Do you hear about them charging $100 for a show?

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They make no effort to change shit.

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Really? Well I guess them going to play at an Anti-War protests isn't trying to change.
Now they make no effort to change.... Hmm.... Lets see, they go around writing lyrics teaching people to think for themselves. It shows people a whole new look at the world. Still don't get me? Take all the goddamn propaganda going around, now Anti-Flag is like reverse propaganda. Propaganda is used to make people think something. Anti-Flag spreads truth, makes people question their "Heavenly" capitalistic nation, instead of allowing them to fall slaves to mindless nationalism.
Butthrax, I have seen your posts and I have to say you make good points, and I agree with you on many of them. However on this one I put my foot down. Anti-Flag changed me when I first read through there lyrics a long, long, long time ago, when I heard "Their system doesn't work for you." Since they changed me, and I now they changed many others, obiviously they are making a change.

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Now, I like some punk. Listen to NOFX's "Liberal Animation", now that makes sense. Given that the album is half-assed, read the lyrics. They talk shit about peace punks and vegetarians.

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Yes I agree, good album. However it doesn't talk shit about peace punks, it talks about hipocritical, poseur peace punks. (The ones who talk but don't do shit basically.) They do bash vegetarians though.

I dont really see much of a point in fighting for my country in a war, either way people are gonna die on both sides, and either way the government is going to cover up as much truth about the war as possible, if ya dont believe me, you should take a look at the Gulf War