How did this Bin Laden get his wealth from which he could buy his weapons or train people to fly passenger jets and set up a network of terrorists to operate against the United States.

il tell you from where.

The CIA

Yes the CIA funded this terrorist to operate against communism just the same as they have funded every fundementalist group, so isent it ironic that they have all turned against the USA.

I wonder what the CIA done to these groups for them to bomb America with such devestating force.

You all think that the CIA killed kennedy and tried to blame it on the Cubans so as to whip up public opinion for an attack against Cuba and the Castro threat, Not that there ever was one or a serious one apart from the Cuban missile crisis.

So that is why the CIA were involved in these bombings, possibly at a low level, just to whip up strong public opinion so America and its allies will take desperate measures against certain Arab nations.

Maybe im just a minority opinion on this theory but wasent it one hell of a coincidence that that car was found at the airport which contained the flight training manual in Arabic and a copy of the Quoran.

mmmmmmmmmmm

YEAH! or maybe it was Giuliani, in a feeble attempt to lengthen his time in office. The mayoral elections WERE cancelled.

http://subgenius.com/bigfist/pics6/9-11-01ART/MobiusTrip/sticker.jpg

Maybe it was Timothy McCeigh, from beyond the grave.

Yeah, and the Unabomber is going to jump out of my nose.

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Better to stay silent and let some people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and anger someone, causing them to beat the crap out of you.

wOODY.. yOU FucKing crackhead.

Osama BinLadens family is one of the wealthiest in the world. he was raised with much wealth in arabia. His family are like Royalty. He became a fanatical islamic fundy some years back and waged war on america with all of his families wealth.

I saw we take his families money for contributing and use it to rebuild the towers and compinsate the families for their lost. as well as all their oil rights.

Now go make me turky pot pie you bitch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_155000/155236.stm

"The Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

He received security training from the CIA itself"

maybe woody isn't a crackhead

sure, if you believe the BBC, or for that matter, any news organization actively trying to make a buck.

The cia trained bin laden to use against the russians and they provided the taliban...

so in a way woody is right

ciz showed bin laden and many others terrorist tactics..

Evil-Mastermind - if that is your way of thinking how do we even know bin Laden did it? All of our information comes from the media (who are all trying to make that extra buck).
what if bin Laden is just pissing the government off and so they thought they could put the blame on him.

The CIA training him while the Russians were trying to take Afghanistan does make sense. It gives America a foothold in the Middle East. It just kind of backfired.

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Originally posted by White Witch:
wOODY.. yOU FucKing crackhead.

Osama BinLadens family is one of the wealthiest in the world. he was raised with much wealth in arabia. His family are like Royalty. He became a fanatical islamic fundy some years back and waged war on america with all of his families wealth.

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Well Witch i had respect for you before but not now.


Yes his family are rich and i mean mega rich but Bin Laden isent useing their money because they disowned him years ago and they want nothing to do with him. If you care to find out then it was the CIA who funded him.

Another thing why i think the CIA are involved,

First of all the CIA have been accused and its been proved that they have done many evil things such as importing countless hundreds of millions of dollars worth of crack cocaine into America on many occasions and they used this money to wage war on the Contras or to fund them, im not to sure which one.

Second Sirhan Sirhan who assasinated Sen Robert Kennedy was involved with the CIAs hypnosis programs under Operation Mongoose.

Third, Its just come to light that Bill Clinton and the CIA tried to assasinate Bin Laden a few years ago. This is illegal but i doubt anyone will do anything considering the frenzy and hysteria which is rampant throughout America today.
Do you honestly think the CIA would ever have addmitted to that if these bombings hadent took place, they waited for this climate of change and to get full public support behind them.

So it turns out the CIA never stopped the assasinations after all even though congress stopped them from doing so. Well if things go according to plan and from what the Bush administration is planning to do is that the CIA will be able to start the assasination business up again with approval from congress and best of all, the American people.

Oh and by the way the rest of the western world and NATO is backing them all the way in their fight against Terrorists. Just what the CIA has always wanted.

Another thing what puzzles me is that the CIA and intelligence agencys have supposed to have Bin Laden under constant surveillance since the Embassy bombings a couple of years ago.
Ok then so how did his group manage to get away with it if Bin Laden and his group are under constant eavsdropping and surveillance.

Now supposedly the CIA dident know his wherabouts but within a matter of a few hours of the bombings of the WTC and the Pentagon, the CIA was intercepting tranmissions from Bin Laden and his group. Thats strange if you ask me because these terrorists movements etc will all be known to the intelligence agencys especially the CIA because its just like the IRA in Ireland, the British intelligence service knows every members name, address, known associates, movements etc . . and I know this to be true.

As i said before that car at the airport was incredible to say the least,

2 ways to look at this folks,

This group headed by Bin Laden was supposed to be so well organized and got past all of the CIAs efforts and the NSAs efforts to track them and then they accidently left that Arabic flight training manual and a copy of the Quoran as well which would clearly in the minds of the public point to some Arab nations or to an Arab terrorist group with their leader (Bin Laden), and the public would now want the American goverment to seek revenge.

Hence the public is now behind the President and the Military to go ahead and wage war on certain Arab nations. This kind of thing is what the CIA wants.

Now if this group is responsible and they left these things behind on purpose then surely they will have wanted the USA and the respective agencys to know who was behind it, so then why dont they claim responsibility. Im sure i would claim responsibility if i done it and left them manuals behind because then i would be hailed as the greatest Martyr that died or fought for a cause.

All in all if you look at the situation from a logical point of view instead of being caught up in the frenzy and mass hysteria then you can begin to see what looks like Black Ops.

Black Ops, something the CIA has incredible expertise in doing and laying the blame elsewhere and the end result is always benificial to the CIA.

One final point and whether its true or not im not sure but dident JFK want to get rid of the CIA by breaking it up, luckily for the CIA he was assasinated.

Yes maybe im a paranoid delusionist but the reputation the CIA has got then you cant rule them out of the equation.

"Now if this group is responsible and they left these things behind on purpose then surely they will have wanted the USA and the respective agencys to know who was behind it, so then why dont they claim responsibility. Im sure i would claim responsibility if i done it and left them manuals behind because then i would be hailed as the greatest Martyr that died or fought for a cause."

The Taliban has repeatedly asked for evidence that bin Laden is behind the attacks. For bin Laden to admit to the bombings would get his ass dropped squarely in American hands- I doubt even the Taliban would allow their country to become a smoking crater if the guy flat-out admitted to it.

Martyrs are dead. They have a hard time taking responsibility for anything.

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Third, Its just come to light that Bill Clinton and the CIA tried to assasinate Bin Laden a few years ago. This is illegal but i doubt anyone will do anything considering the frenzy and hysteria which is rampant throughout America today.
Do you honestly think the CIA would ever have addmitted to that if these bombings hadent took place, they waited for this climate of change and to get full public support behind them.

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Those were the cruise missiles that the american launched at afgan terrorist bases. from what i can remember they were aimed at bin laden but he wasn't there. Managed to take out a few of his croneys though. Is this the assasination you talk about? If the Taliban let him stay there after those missile attacks then, what makes everyone so sure that they'll give him up now?

What the fuck would make you think the CIA did it

Dear Woody your in a very Red & also Fed Honeypot bbs where logic is encouraged but when sensitve is discouraged by alias, moderator and yes stupiid people fill gaps
answer yourself this any time you posted a half ass intelligent reply thats dicey ya get flamed or moderated to a different direction! this not a good place to be!!!

Arab fundamentalists did the bombings BUT...
I would say that they are all in hiding because they have all realised "Shit, we went too far this time"...and maybe even Bin Laden if it is him and I don't think it is..he has claimed every bomb and killing to date, except this

The reason everyone is blaming Bin Laden is because the American Government HAVE to Blame somebody.....they could never turn around at a press conference and say "After all investigations we have come to the conclusuion the we have no idea who did it"
The US Government would be overturned..
So instead they say...It was Bin Laden...he did it..we were going to kill him anyway, so now we have the perfect excuse..while probably somewhere at the other side of the world, there is some Arab sitting by a pool saying "Damn..i can't beleive I got away with it"...It has happened so many times before in England with Bombings....Take the Birmingham 6 for example....They were jailed for a bombing in the 60's because the Police had to arrest somebody and they were the poor unfortunates would bared the brunt of a case of the "Blame somebody...anybody" syndrome.



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Dear Woody your in a very Red & also Fed Honeypot bbs where logic is encouraged but when sensitve is discouraged by alias, moderator and yes stupiid people fill gaps
answer yourself this any time you posted a half ass intelligent reply thats dicey ya get flamed or moderated to a different direction! this not a good place to be!!!

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Yeah i agree with you on them points but to be perfectly honest, i dont give a shit.

Hey Paco you are right that the police and other authorities have to blame someone because it makes them look good in the eyes of the public. Bin Laden is the `Patsy` in this case and he is already convicted in the eyes of the public. The british police including all police are well adept at fabricating evidence.

I'm not red, fed or dead.

Hmmm. You know, I considered that the CIA or the NSA or (pick your initials) might be involved in this, but I decided it was too far fetched. Now, I'm not so sure. I didn't dig as far as you did, and I need to think about it some more, but your arguments sound, at the very least, worth considering.

Curiouser and curiouser.


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Big Fat Daddy

Ok, america is facing resesion, its almost certain that public opinion of the government is going to drop, whats the most sure fire way to get the whole american population supporting you for years to come?
simple, unite the country under the flag of war, GW bush now enjoys a 91% aproval rating, from the 50% he had before, its the most support an american prezident has ever had. And it also gives the government something to blame the resesion on. its a win win situation. also buildings that usualy contain 50,000 people, but now they say only 6,000 are missing/dead. more than a coinsidence. this was a well planned well timed event, orcastrated by the highest reaches of the government. or at least thats my theory.

we were in a recession prior to this event, and it can't be blamed on it. greenspan lowered interest rates twice before this.

gw has aquired the high approval rating because people have realized that the shit we cared about two weeks ago no longer matters.

i'm sure gary condit woke up on tuesday morning and went "PPPFSHEWWWW!!!!!!!!"

when you hit the 110 floor, i should hope that the 109 floors below got the hell out of there.

plus i think people are realizing that bush isn't as dumb as the media played him out to be that along with sympathetic support as a result patriotic emotions. he surrounded himself with a lot of foreign policy professionals. and i also think a majority of the people with the motherly way clinton handled things by just shaking his finger and saying i'm not going to tell you again. over and over realize that gore would have been a pussy in this situation, and bush along with a group of people who have a consistant track record of getting shit done and are saying what the majority of the people want to hear.

that's why his approval rating is astoundingly high,

if you recall his father had the previous highest rating of 89% right after the gulf war.

a country coming together does wonders for presidential approval.

if you notice most of our best presidents were war presidents.

washington-revolutionary war
lincoln-civil war
roosevelt-wwII
truman-wwII
kennedy-cold war
reagan-cold war
bush-gulf war
bush-terrorist war?

everybody sucked in vietnam because that was a flop.

i think conditt did it.

The death count may seem low, but consider:

-The attacks took place before 9 am. 150,000 people went in and out of the WTC every day; but most of them were tourists. Tourists don't normally get up that early (none that I've ever known, at least). Therefore, while there could be 50,000 people in them at any one time, that one time was HIGHLY unlikely to be 8:48 am on a Tuesday.

-By all accounts, everyone or nearly everyone who was on floors below where the planes hit made it out. They did have nearly an hour to do so, keep in mind. The planes hit rather high up, to keep the firefighters from being able to reach them easily, so includes the vast majority of the people that were actually in the tower at the time.

-People make note of the "bodies everywhere" right after the planes hit. That's two floors of people, approximately, who were swept out of the tower, and even then, not the entire floors. Compared to the WTC as a whole, that number of people is minimal, but to people on the street dealing with it, who didn't realize what was gonna happen, it would seem like an ungodly massacre.

It's hardly enough to point to a conspiracy.. any terrorist organization wanting to do this would know it would be the ultimate attack. Going for later flights would require dealing with larger passenger loads, increasing the possibility of some people trying to stop the hijacking. In essence, it would be getting greedy when what they did is catastrophic enough.

ya it may be kinnda low but you gotta consider that thay died cuz thay where amarican

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62 nations lost civilian citizens.

some of them in the triple digits, which is basically like hitting one of their embassies.

why do you think america has so much support?

it wasn't just america who lost people.

Britain - We lost at least 250.