List any books here that you thoroughly enjoyed or were way refreshing. List those that were really insightful and/or helpful. those books that made a real change inside of you. Also name books that really have a message.

Some that i have read, some recently and some not so recently are:

The Beat Goes On - Sonny Bono
Crazy From the Heat - David Lee Roth
The Medium is the Message - Marshall McLuhan
Best Evidence - David Lifton
Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
In Contempt - Christopher Darden
Outrage - Vincent Bugliosi
The Monkey Wrench Gang - Edward Abbey
Games People Play - Eric Berne
The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test - Wolfe



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San Bernardino : The Rise and Fall of a California Community by Edward Leo Lyman

Americans No More by Georgie Anne Geyer

States and Illegal Practices by Josiah McC. Heyman

Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (3rd Edition)
by J. Philippe Rushton

America's Decline: The Education of a Conservative
by Revilo P. Oliver

Undocumented Immigration to California 1980-1993
by Hans P. Johnson

The Bell Curve : Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Richard J. Herrnstein

The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, both volumes.

The Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler

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The Bell Curve : Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Richard J. Herrnstein.

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San Berdoo? Did somebody say San Berdoo?

Anyway i sat cross-legged in a Tower Book store for a couple or more nights, reading The Bell Curve. i was also totally amazed when it's critics on some now defunct message boards routinely and religiously described TBC as totally racist propaganda. Quite the opposite if you as me . But at any rate i certainly don't buy the concept of intelligence testing hook line and sinker, and i also sheepishly protest the racist overtones of the conclusions, even if the typical sloganeering reactions are totally superfluous and opaque.

Lokil,

Whats the San berdoo books slant?
San Bernadino is a living hell.

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But at any rate i certainly don't buy the concept of intelligence testing hook line and sinker, and i also sheepishly protest the racist overtones of the conclusions, even if the typical sloganeering reactions are totally superfluous and opaque.

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I disagree, this book is about intelligence, not race. More than socioeconomic background, parents' marital status or anything else, intelligence correlates with education, income, employment, criminal behavior, disability, likelihood of being in automobile accidents, and just about everything else.

If you are a mathphobic, you won't like this book. Nor is it touchy feely.

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I'm really into Southern California's history, defintely not it's future. Charles Rich's father was a veteran of the American Revolution. And C. Rich was one of the founders of Mormon San Bernadino.It's a really dry read, more of a library book if anything. Ironic that Salt Lake evetually came to disown their California brethren, but you will have to read to find out..

Anything by Robert Anton Wilson.

Ishmael by Daniel Quinn is really good. Very unique and thought invoking. it's about this guy that talks to a gorilla about origins of culture, human evolution, overpopulation, and how to save the word. The gorilla takes the role of an instructor. it's a good book you can read in a couple of days easily.

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I disagree, this book is about intelligence, not race. More than socioeconomic background, parents' marital status or anything else, intelligence correlates with education, income, employment, criminal behavior, disability, likelihood of being in automobile accidents, and just about everything else.

If you are a mathphobic, you won't like this book. Nor is it touchy feely.

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i'm not a mathophobic in any sense of the word however i am decidedly unimpressed by the cutsie math that garnishes almost every other page.

The book is not about race, eh? It would appear that that is not the case because if you really believe that then you would have to eliminate the implied socio-economic strata predictors and the Orwellian nature of the SAT score propaganda, that is as it applies to future success, and those that are implicity implied by the concepts that actually drive intelligence testing models, whatever they may happen to be. Intelligence is not and should never be a predictor of financial success in the real world, as this could never accurately account for unforseen hardships as well as lack of motivation and nonexistent business acumen. It is not realistic and in fact is a blatant social ill, one that needs to be rectified. So in a sense you have surrounded the issue of race and/or race relations with such boorish half-baked sorry classist drivel as you have here, that impresses nobody in the real world who doesn't actually let the mass media do their critical thinking for them. This is truly the disease that plagues all people at every turn and it's name is the poorly correlated SES criminal statistical data bandied about in the media, using results than cannot be verified in the real world of give and take.

But then again i have only read some but not all of the book, but even so i don't "buy" the warhorse Ivory Tower fairly tale assumption that you can write an obnoxious number on a piece of paper and that this magic and godsent number supposedly can tell you in no uncertain terms what kind of morals and what kind of person said individual actually posseses in the real world. The key word here is comedy. It supposedly then becomes the ultimate measure of success and thusly is wrongly contrived to be infallible. However it is not the pure science that it is indeed protrayed as, in fact you have just crossed the limits into unabashed and unforgiving Junk Science IMHO.

It seems to deny human spirit to it's very core, and that attitude has immoral dull minded lackey written all over it.



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The Running Man by Stephen King.

Fantastic Voyage by Isaac Asimov.

Both were unforgivingly excellent.

On the Road by Jack Kerouac changed my life. I also loooved both Junkie and Queer by William S. Burroughs. Anything by the Beats is enough to make me spin out right in my chair..

Janny

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They say I'm beat and rambling trying to put me down, but i take it and embrace it, and make it my own.

Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Suess did it for me...That's some deep shit

Anthony Burgess' Clockwork Orange (the European version with Chapter 21) had a very unique coming-of-age theme. Despite the language change, and maybe because of it, it was extremely graphic. (Unfortunately and fortunately at the same time: it may have been difficult for some to read)

Howard Zinn's People's History of the US was good, but it really did require the accompanyment of a good history book. (Brinkley's abridged Survey would be optimum)

Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time was very good, very original fantasy as was Roger Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber.

Stephen King's Midnight Dreams (title??? Book with a Sun and Moon on the cover) and Skeleton Crew were short story compilations that left me sitting and thinking.

Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently books were good, but not nearly as insightful as the Hitchhiker's Guide.

Certain books of the Bible.

among others...

i really like annything by kurt vonnegut
if you want to start with his books i reccomend
hokus pokus
breakfast of champions
or
for a verry quick book (read in like a half an hour)
god bless you dr. kevorkian(sp? whatever)
but that dosent even hit the tip of the ice berg he is one of the best.

also the first great negative utopia(of three) is a book called WE written by a russian named Zamyatin
its verry good and worth reading.

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also for annyone interested in freemason conspiritorial truths try and read some alice a. bailey or foster bailey
its frightening and fascinating stuff written the tone of advocacy


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WHo wrote rise and fall of the roman empire?

i dunno.

i almost forgot Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson.

The Dream: H.G. Wells
David Copperfield: Charles Dickens
Tao of Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee
Max the dog that refused to die: Kyrap Wayne

Paradoxia ~by lydia lunch
A DIfferent Kind of Intimacy ~by karen finley
Teenage Wasteland ~by donna gaines
Apocalyspe Culture ~ edited by adam parfrey published by feral house
Cult rapture ~ by same as above
Prometheus Rising ~ by robert anton wilson
Barrel Fever ~by david sedaris
and for fiction Geek Love ~by katherine dunn

wanna learn what peyote does to your mind, read anything by carlos castaneda, his books are basically nuthin but trips.

Not precisely. He sets the tone for those who will follow.

The dark tower series-stephen king
The sword of truth series-terry goodkind(sci fi, fantasy)
The Dune series-Frank Herbert
The once and future king-E.B. white
Arthur, merlin, taliesin(3 books)-stephen lawhead
The riverworld series-Phillip Jose Farmer
Stanger in a strange land-Robert Heinlin

The Sea-Wolf by Jack London

Fight Club by Charles sumthing (no way i can spell his name off of memory!)

Rober Jordans Wheel of time series

Headhunters, Football Factory and England Away by John King.

Lord of the Flies by William Golding

Lion on Macedon by David Gemmill

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

Oops almost forgot Dragons of Eden by Carl Sagan. It was all that and more.

Job: A comedy of Justice by Robert A. Heinlen