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Old 2003-01-25, 02:37
met_B_A_N_S met_B_A_N_S is offline
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Is anyone here going to get vaccinated?

Personally I will not, because I really don't care, unless there is proff that someone can release it onto the mass of the American Population.

Any one want to contribute to this?
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Old 2003-01-25, 02:42
Viper229 Viper229 is offline
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I will not unless there are thousands with the virus in an outbreak in USA. Smallpox release is an act of war. Countries don't want that. It will not happen. Only two labs in the world actually have smallpox. Besides small pox isnt a worry of mine whatsoever.
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Old 2003-01-26, 17:11
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People survived it before vaccines so I'm not too worried. Besides, I don't trust vaccines.
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Old 2003-01-30, 20:41
hydrvs hydrvs is offline
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Isn't there like a 30% chance of death if u get it???

Smallpox maybe the really nasty but there's still a BIG chance of recovery
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Old 2003-01-31, 01:38
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I can't imagine many people dieing from smallpox with proper health care.

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Old 2003-01-31, 02:01
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it kills 1/3 or 2/3 im not sure what i read. anyway vaccines are kinda nice. i enjoy not having polio. anyway mass vaccination isn't too important. after exposer to small pox being vaccinated with four days will protect most people.
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Old 2003-01-31, 10:07
ClydeR ClydeR is offline
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NO.

There is no threat, no epidemic so it is stupid to get vaccinated with something that your immune system will respond to as the actual disease with a good chance that the immune response itself will cause problems, autoimmune disorders [immune system attacks healthy tissues] and symptomologies that the medical researchers can't even figure out. Some of these disorders can be serious and permanently disabling.

Furthermore it was stupid to vaccinate military personel to supposedly protect them against numerous biological diseases when virtually none of these diseases were an actual proven threat or risk. The pharmaceutical corporations pushed this profiteering scam. [ the National so called 'Defense Budget' being expended for corporate profiteering] The affect is that the immune systems of those who received multiple vaccinations have been so over taxed, having to mount complex immune responses to such a broad range of diseases al at once, that this causes their immune systems to go haywire and results in complicated immune system disorders and symptomolgies.

There was an Air Force Officer in Florida who refused to be vaccinated before the 1st 'Gulf War' because the effects and risks of these vaccinations were well known in the medical research community. He turned out to be absolutely right which was later proven by the 'Gulf War Syndrome' which was caused DIRECTLY by those vaccinations. They are IN FACT still uncertain as to which components in the many vaccines against biologicals (plus drug cocktails to protect against chemical weapons that didn't exist) are responsible for the Gulf War Syndrome, but they have found one or two components, including an impurity in one of the components of the Smallpox vaccine. They claim now to have remedied THAT specific risk. There are numerous other risks that researchers just do not know enough about.

Anyhow, I asked an Air Force vet in Florida recently, what happened to that officer and he told me that he believes the Officer was Court Martialled and kicked out of the Air Force for refusing to take the vaccine. He is no doubt alive and free of Gulf War Syndrome, which can be a really serious nasty and debilitating medical problem.

Viet Nam vets have an incidence rate of nasty hepatitis-c infection 5 times higher than the national average due to VACCINES made from contaminated blood products during the Viet Nam war era. It was also spread by pneumatic vaccination guns which could not be adequately sterilized. They were also used carelessly. Hepatitis-c was a 'stealth virus' back then, meaning that there were no methods in place in the medical community to identify it. However, biological weapons researchers were aware of this family [Flaviviridae] of viruses- in fact there is not a plant or animal disease that they have not messed with in the pursuit of developing biological weapons.

Some have strong reasons to believe that the hepatitis-c virus is an engineered virus. Tracing back the predominant genotype [1a] of the virus that infects Viet Nam vets, it is found to originate in N. America, then N. Europe, in that order.

The US Military made a remarkable attempt recently to convince the public that it originated from 2 solders returning from Japan in 1947-48 (They claimed an analyses of two mysterious frozen blood samples from 1947-48 that mysteriously came to the surface when the government was under pressure on the biological weapons issue) Not very convincing to anyone with a brain. Genotype 1a is rare in Japan, Asia and Southeast Asia- they were trying to lead people with this propaganda to think that the vets got it from there by injecting drugs during the Viet Nam War. Blame it on China and the Viet Cong. Meanwhile Viet Nam vets were dying here from hepatitis-c related liver failure, the VA said hepatitis-c was NOT a problem with veterans and for decades refused to even test them, attributing the deaths to alcohol and substance abuse NOT related to Military Service so therefor they were not entitled to service related disability benefits. The vets got it from vaccinations they received here in the US, also from other blood products (other medicines manufactured from blood products) and blood transfusions.

There are MORE stealth viruses, those that cannot be readily identified. The evidence is there, just like the evidence for the existence of a star or other celestial body that we cannot see but we find the evidence of it's presence.

People have a false sense of security and assurance believing that medical science is at some kind of height of knowlege and understanding about these things when in fact this isn't true. For example, 200 years from now, what we know today in 2003 will look primitive, just like comparing medical knowlege of today with medical knowlege of 1803.

BTW the polio vaccines produced an SV40 (simian virus) nightmare, a probable cause for great increases in cancer since the 1950s and possibly the origin of HIV (aids) which evidence indicates was genetically engineered from a simian monkey virus and a bovine virus. Just recently they found a risk of Mad Cow disease in Polio Vaccines
news article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/980968.stm


So much for this rant. My points are simply that immune disorders that can result from vaccines and the stealth viruses that may be present in vaccines. Also calling attention to the profiteering and propaganda by the manufacturers and governments pushing these vaccines on the public.

Vaccines can save many lives of those who are at high risk for contracting diseases that are actually present, where there is a real risk, or during epidemics, but in the absence of those factors vaccinations have their own inherent risks and can do alot more damage than the disease which is not present.

I theorise that immune responses to vaccines may be responsible for numerous psychological disorders. Immune responses are complex and can cause all different kinds of medical problems and symptoms, and probably psychological problems.

On the other hand they can save lives. If a person is at high risk then the benefit is higher than the risk.

I apologize for the long rant, must be caffeine (very strong coffee) combined with a pain pill (oxycodone)

 
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