Here's a theory. Probably either already pointed out by someone smarter than me, or so inaccurate I should stick my head in an oven and end my idiocy at home before it spreads.

Is it possible that the laws of physics (or rather the vague outlines which we follow) are a way for maintaining a balanced collection of theoretically infinite Universes? The theory here would be that each atom would be a self-contained mini-universe (mini from our perspective) and all matter within this universe, also made out of infinitely small 'atoms' would also contain these self-contained universes. And so on, so forth, meaning that our Universe would be part of a larger one etc.

Would there ever be any way of proving this? Quantum theories could probably explain this, but I can't seem to get my mind around these for some reason (although quantum teleportation is something I not only understand to an extent, but teach to make myself seem smarter).

that's a really interesting idea but since i know little to nothing about quantum theories i can't really comment on it

do you have any real reason for saying this or is it just a weird science fiction idea you thought of when you were stoned?

First of all, no I do not get stoned, and second of all this probably HAS been covered somewhere else. I just thought it might be interesting to post this here. Interesting things like this come to me from time to time, and I just want some feedback from fellow theorists.

well yes, it has been thought of, it goes into detail in the book "before the beggining". basic idea is that there are seemingly infinite universes, but they are completely seperate from our universe. when each universe is formed a random set of laws are placed (laws of physics, therodynamics, ect.)

almost all are chaotic and cannot evolve to life, and most cant even do basic stuff like maybe make a star. but with so many universes there are bound to be a few that have stable laws that allow everything in our universe to be here.

but no one really knows what the other universes could be like, maybe we're the only one that has life and some others have something better or just different, stuff too crazy or weird to fathom.

edited spelling.

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i actually had a thought like his theory a while ago but i didnt want to seem crazy so i didnt ask but its a good question and i wonder how i even though of it considering im 15 and no nothing about quantum theories

wee i feel dumb now lol

Okay. If there is an infinite (or very, very, very, very large) number of these Universes which are super-compressed and exist within the matter (and maybe anti-matter) of this Universe, then of course since chaos in space reigns, their laws of physics would equally be chaotic. But 'randomly placed'? I think that is not giving enough credit to this machine we call the Universe (or should I say multiverse, although that would again be dealing with a multi-dimensional theory, and we're not there right now). Now, of course one might say that the very nature of chaos is random, but after reading some literature on it, one comes to the decision that there indeed is order and purpose in the phenomenon.
It is highly unlikely that life evolved only on this planet in our Universe. This has been determined. Then there must, I think, be life in each of the super-compressed Universes, although probably not the sort of life we are used to.

Anyway, quantum teleportation is fascinating stuff. Although at this point it seems that only microscopic things can be teleported, the idea of doing this to a macroscopic object is exciting, however poses some ethical problems (ie. this would require one to destroy the original and reproduce in different spot/would the consciousness also be transferred etc.). Why this? Perhaps when the teleportation of macroscopic objects becomes possible, re-assemble can be made on a microscopic level, thus allowing further examination of the micro-universes. There are many holes in this theory that I know of already, but it's an interesting possibility nonetheless...

As titilating as this theory is, we have no real way of proving any of it. And do we only consider this because it perplexes our mind so much? The same happens in child movies where dolls can move while your not watching them, no proof but it's still fun to think about. Also, does the theory that our universe is expanding fit into this?

-Not trying to burst your bubble, just being curious. :P

Well, it wouldn't have to fit into this theory, would it? Unless the expansion of the Universe would somehow justify either the existance of a super-compressed Universe. But again, what would expansion mean in relation to my earlier theory? I'm not sure...

Again, however, it's all well and good to compare this to a child's movie, but there really is no way at this point to prove or disprove anything. As human beings, we think about things like this, and it is not a waste of time even if it a)seems fantastic or b) cannot really be proven. We live in a world of 'what if?' and we can complement our existence by enhancing our own knowledge/imagination. And at some point in the future, we may find that all current theories are wrong and something else is 'true'. Either way, it's fun to think about it. More fun to try and prove it, even tho we can't.

A lot of the laws you will learn in school have already been disproven, this is trouble for me cuz i dont know what answer to put the correct one or the ones my teacher thinks is right.

Anyways atoms are made up of more particals than you would think, the protons and nuetrons are made of quarks wich each have 2/3+ or - charge, these in turn of other subatomic particals, electrons are made of sub atomic paritcals also, there are 24 anti matter paricals also, so yes there are thing smaller than atoms but its not what you are saying though.

CTR

Agreed, i hope that you havent taken my comment the wrong way. I wasnt refering to you or any of your theories childish. More so that human nature is childish. I myself have many thoughts that have no proof but still find them extremely amusing to think about.

Fortytwo?

The 3 biggest hangups we have as humans is our mind, body, and ego.
As deep as you can get with this theories people seem to forget one thing. Our basic form of exsistence is the same material of ALL exsistence. The nature of reality is change. All principles of being are ever evolvoing and true/untrue under each differnt premis. Making any one true claim falisty under diff. circumstances.So what is it your exactly seeking in all this theorizing ?

Just a thought...

If there are Universes inside atoms, ad infinitum, then whenever we initiate a nuclear reaction, wouldn't we be committing mass-genocide to the highest degree. If each atom contains a universe, and every atom in that universe contains a universe, then you can see what I'm getting at?

Perhaps we should just simply ban all nuclear fission. Either that or ban this stupid theory.

Nuclear Fusion:

Sex of infinite proportions.

MMMMMH... Sex. Umm. Either way, could a nuclear reaction which results in this mass-genocide of unimaginable proportions not be thought of as the Big Crunch? Since time would run differently (obviously) in each of these universes, then a nuclear reaction in the real world would be attributed to the natural course of things. Thus, whenever our Universe ends (extremely slowly) it could be the result of the Big Brother Universe adjacent to ours, thus infinitely, it would all make sense...

it makes perfect sence...
when i first thought of this i was stoned.
how i came about it was neat, when im stoned my mind will think of something then think of what builds that something up or what it can build up and i never find an end.

Think about it like math or some shit. Math explanes everything. numbers go on forever as space goes on forever.
look deep into a atam you see electrons protons and all that stuff... but what makes up that? well what if millions of universes made up one electron. this would also mean universes are created and destroyed every seconed.
Diffrent atoms work on diffrent physics and laws as diffrent universes work on diffrent physics and laws.
you can compare a atom and a solar system.

Yes. It does make perfect sense. Besides comparing an atom to a solar system, although the same principles apply (orbiting etc.).
I'm very happy. My topic has a little flame on it. Soon it will grow into a big flame and devour all.

hehe, yeah
but what i mean by solar system is the idea of atams fly around in circles as planets do they revolve around one main energy sourse...
the sun or so

yes. quite right. that's what i was getting at. everything in the Universe seems to follow patterns. even chaos is a 'disarrayed order' (if that's possible and i'd like to suggest it IS).