Are ghosts real? Is there an explaination for those 'things that go bump in the night' or is there actually a thing at night that goes around bumping things? The paranormal topic has been speculated upon since time itself. At least one stage of our lives we have given thought to this topic.. but for an unfortunate some like me, have been given a rather large shove into such a larger world.

Now im a person whom has a very open mind, i do not judge anything .. just accept that they are, nothing more. A long while ago my fascination with the paranormal led me to join a group called OzGhost research, which was a bunch of guys that ran around cemetries taking pictures of balls of light and mists etc, and recording ghost voices etc. Heh... yeah i laughed too when i heard about it... more at their methods than anything, but i thought that i might have the chance to get some evidence of a world beyond the physical. What followed was a delving into a much more sinister concept for life... as the photos, videos, and sound recordings we captured show beings that arent exactly happy.

We'd recorded videos of mists and balls of light moving around with a nightvision camera, so it can see shit we cant see, and we still cant find physical explainations for these.
I got some photos on my site at http://www.treko.net.au/~ahriman/ghosts.html
They dont really show much, i can show you some more ...

I am a believer now, because of what i have seen and experienced, and how open it has made my mind. Its one thing seeing this stuff on the internet, as someone may have complied them from scratch digitally... however its another thing to be walking through a cemetry yourself with a nightvision cam, seeing balls of fucking light flying around and mists and other things hanging around, with NO SOURCE. well, no "apparent" source

you tell me

my freinds mom and i talk about ghost all the time. i think there real

heh, i spose i should start another thread called 'what are ghosts?"
but thatll be speculated till bin laden is found

we had an poltergeist in shcool they i know are real

Has anyone ever come into contact with, or passed through, a ghost?

i checked out your website. are you taking the piss? these orb things, in particular, just seem to be random light areas on a dark background. or areas of a slightly lighter shade than the surroundings. plus you touched them up in photoshop.
http://www.treko.net.au/~ahriman/ghosts/cMVC-018S.JPG

what the fuck am i meant to be looking at?

im not taking the piss at all, perhaps my images arent exactly clear ... the picture you are referring to isnt exactly the best example of orb or ghost activity ... try http://www.treko.net.au/~ahriman/ghosts/MVC-007S.JPG ... This photo was in fact 'touched up' in photoshop, but what you have to understand with the 'touching up' of SOME images in photoshop. the only thing done was the auto levels, as photoshop is indeed excellent for touching up photos etc. I didnt fuck with the picture or put anything there that wasnt there already, if you know how to use photoshop youll understand exactly how adjusting the levels and curves works etc. Plus if you really want, i can send you the original shot of the link above, which you will see these light things too...
if you want hundreds of better quality photos of this stuff, check out http://www.theshadowlands.net/page31.html - better quality images than what i have ever got, plus more sources too. there's heaps of pages. Youll see what i attempted to show in these photos a lot clearer.

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Originally posted by innitRa:
i checked out your website. are you taking the piss? these orb things, in particular, just seem to be random light areas on a dark background. or areas of a slightly lighter shade than the surroundings. plus you touched them up in photoshop.
http://www.treko.net.au/~ahriman/ghosts/cMVC-018S.JPG

what the fuck am i meant to be looking at?

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Originally posted by grib:
Has anyone ever come into contact with, or passed through, a ghost?

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Indeed several times, perhaps the most scariest of times when i was drunk and wandering around a cemetry one night with a couple friends. i have memory of up until i knelt next to a grave, then my friends said i jumped back and breathed deeply like i was sucking something in...
apparently then we walked off like nothing happened, but when i left the cemetry for some reason i went really mental, got on a bike and sped off .. then i apparently stopped halfway down the road, turned around and sped towards my two friends, they said i must have been doing about 80 and for some reason i lost control of the bike (which is weird for me, i never lose control) and flew off, the bike flipped into a ditch and i skidded along the bitumen for a while
they came running up to me and they said i was pissing myself laughing, i had no scratches on me at all, and for some fucking weird reason neither did the bike ... (THANK FUCK, it was andrews - but i think he was more worried about the bike though )
next morning i remember waking up, feeling a really strange feeling of vertigo, i thought id dreamed the night before...... ever get that feeling when you wake up to find your worst dream real?

but you know what they say with accidents and alcohol

It is an interesting subject to do researc about. Some ghost sightings can be an illusion to the eye, and some ghost like figures in pictures can simpley be a mere blurred motion of the finger, that got in the way of the pictures. I think it is possible for peoples souls to connect with the living at the time. So, yes, I think it can certaintly be possible.

Very interesting, ahriman. I've read that alchohol, in particular, is a substance which opens a small hole in your aura - a place something can squeeze into, if it tries hard enough.

-n

I think 'energies' exist. Whether you'd like to preceive them as 'ghosts' doesn't really matter, I think. A few past Wiccan girlfriends once told me that when a spell is first being conjured up, and a person is calling on different 'energies' to help/guide them, it is very important to 'ground' the energy. That is, sending it back to it's resting place.

Ghosts could be conjured up energies whether they were brought forth by Egyptian priests or Hungarian gypsies.

Hey lokil - good to see your nick.

I think you're right. Many things that people see could very well be residual energy. A stagnant circle, one which is never taken down, causes all kinds of strange problems.

A friend of mine gives a theory about what spirit sightings could be: impressions left on the universal awareness. In other words, such a major release of energy took place at the persons death, that it left an impression of that person within spacetime.

I can see the possibility of a flashback in the world. When a person is in a place where something has happened, & they are close enough vibrationally to that thing (same day of the year, same time of the day, & same place that the victim was standing..), they might see a flashback of what has happened. I couldn't expound the way it might happen. Maybe someone else wants to have a go.

I think that both are true. The traditional spirit of a deceased person, confused & wandering. The simpler energetic phenomenon. Some things - like shapeless, or simply shaped energy sightings - are more difficult to see as human intelligence. Makes me wonder what a spirit who has never lived in a human body would be shaped as.

thankyou Lokil and grib, youve both posed a very interesting point of view, something im really starting to agree with, it seems far far more logical than the explainations that www.ozghost.com (have a laugh when you go there) and the like ...
Thanks guys, you really opened my mind

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Originally posted by ahriman:
Are ghosts real? Is there an explaination for those 'things that go bump in the night' or is there actually a thing at night that goes around bumping things? The paranormal topic has been speculated upon since time itself. At least one stage of our lives we have given thought to this topic.. but for an unfortunate some like me, have been given a rather large shove into such a larger world.

Now im a person whom has a very open mind, i do not judge anything .. just accept that they are, nothing more. A long while ago my fascination with the paranormal led me to join a group called OzGhost research, which was a bunch of guys that ran around cemetries taking pictures of balls of light and mists etc, and recording ghost voices etc. Heh... yeah i laughed too when i heard about it... more at their methods than anything, but i thought that i might have the chance to get some evidence of a world beyond the physical. What followed was a delving into a much more sinister concept for life... as the photos, videos, and sound recordings we captured show beings that arent exactly happy.

We'd recorded videos of mists and balls of light moving around with a nightvision camera, so it can see shit we cant see, and we still cant find physical explainations for these.
I got some photos on my site at http://www.treko.net.au/~ahriman/ghosts.html
They dont really show much, i can show you some more ...

I am a believer now, because of what i have seen and experienced, and how open it has made my mind. Its one thing seeing this stuff on the internet, as someone may have complied them from scratch digitally... however its another thing to be walking through a cemetry yourself with a nightvision cam, seeing balls of fucking light flying around and mists and other things hanging around, with NO SOURCE. well, no "apparent" source

you tell me

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Hi Ahriman,

I have read your post and the others in this discussion...

1st... What is being discussed in this discussion pertains MOSTLY to an ghost area called "Earthbounds"....
Earthbounds are people who have died and DID NOT go on to where they belong in the astral plane...
There are literally many millions of Earthbound spirits walking the face of this Earth...

When everyone dies, there is NO MAGIC...
You take with you what you learned in your life.. You take your knowledge and understanding with you.. For MOST people they haven't gained much in their life, that will help them in the astral plane..

There are NO schools on this planet that teach anyone what the astral plane is about and what are the differences between there and here.... Nobody is taught what they need to know to do well in the astral plane..

The MAIN difference between there and here is only a matter of body frequency.. Your astral body LOOKS identical to your present physical body.... In life we occupy our physical bodies and in death we occupy our astral bodies...

What most Earthlings don't realize is that the astral plane is just another form of MATTER... It will be just as real to you when you are there, as everything in this world is real to you when you are alive... IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERNT TYPES OF MATTER...NOTHING MORE !

Regarding Spirit Communication :
Personally i ONLY communicate with people i have known personally in life that have died and gone on to where they belong in the astral plane...

I have occassionally assisted a Earthbound in being released from their being stuck on this Earth plane... They are mostly souls who are lost or trapped here..Can you imagine what its like for those poor Earthbounds, they walk around and nobody can hear or see them.. It's a pretty lonely experience for anyone that dies and is in this state..I just summon an angel to take the Earthbound to where they belong in the astral plane, weither it's an astral heaven or an astral hell where they belong.. ALL angels know where each soul is supposed to be...

Is anyone learning anything from what i'm telling you ???

Eternal Blessings,
Ancient One

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you sound indeed a very learned soul
i myself actually have quite a similar opinion only reason i didnt put it foreward was because i wanted this thread to be started of an unbiased point of view, and i wanted to perhaps delve into another side like this a little later.

But you've addressed a very importent aspect of a different thought to the afterlife. One of the things in this lifetime to be learned, or to experience to become self realised is the knowledge of the universe existing within ourselves. the exploration should not be done out there, but inside ourselves (i guess thats the main difference between the dark and the light side of the force then too lol ). All my life i have not leraned: i have remembered, i have remembered a great many things about perhaps my "past physical incarnations", which has been unnerving at times. Death is only the beginning, its the only certainty that we have .... and its not as horrible as everyone puts foreward - because those people cannot let go of the physical.
I proclaim that man's primary need is to let go: only then can he posess what is truly real. If you cannot let go of the physical when it is ending, you will not truly understand the intended beauty of the next: youll unintentionally refuse it and stay in the realm of the once physical human body, not seeing the beauty of the next realm. But our experiences shape our next realm. And more .....

Dude, i could spend many many, more hours on this .... so let's

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i personaly have never seen any ghosts or anything that would sugest that ghosts exist. im NOT going to believe some site on the net thats for damn sure. my recent interest in psycotropics has lead me into this post. i hope i see somthing at least that isnt just a blip of light or an optical illusion.

Well its nice you keep such a broad-minded opinion. As this post was not intended as a "foce you to believe in ghosts because the websites i reference to have pretty pictures", moreso a reference point as to which ones own opinion can be decided. Unfortunately i can see the urls posted have not displayed relevance to you, as you have dismissed them as being "a blip of light". Perhaps what you are looking for does not belong on this thread. We are looking into psycho-kinetic phenomena .... and im wondering in peoples thoughts on such.
Thanks for the post anyway

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i personaly have never seen any ghosts or anything that would sugest that ghosts exist. im NOT going to believe some site on the net thats for damn sure. my recent interest in psycotropics has lead me into this post. i hope i see somthing at least that isnt just a blip of light or an optical illusion.

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well im by no means flaming u or trying to discredit u in any way. its just that ive been on the internet for a log ass time. ive seen perfect fakes of news stories, ghosts, paranormal phanomanon of everything from jesus in a barrito to a statue crying blood. can u realy believe anything unless u experience it?

I completely understand hey, i have been on the internet for quite a number of years, enough also to experience "hoaxes" and such, however im basing what i say on this post, and the pictures on my website on experience, as i have had dealings with 'things that go bump in the night' and such, even firsthand in cemetries with nightvision cameras etc. My advice to you, as once being the highest of sceptics myself, is to wander around a cemetry one night with a sony digital camera with NIGHTSHOT 0 LUX - the movie camera ... youll see exactly what im going on about, im not a nut seriously

such phenomena i have seen can even be experienced in some houses, as i first started changing my opinion when i experienced this kind of shit in a house .... viewing it through the eyes of one of those cameras. in all due respect, it could be random electomagnetic phenomena .... however its less random than you think when you come to see it.

just try it out

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well im by no means flaming u or trying to discredit u in any way. its just that ive been on the internet for a log ass time. ive seen perfect fakes of news stories, ghosts, paranormal phanomanon of everything from jesus in a barrito to a statue crying blood. can u realy believe anything unless u experience it?

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Here's a wondering:

Can a wandering spirit see or communicate with other wandering spirits, or are they completely solitary?

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Here's a wondering:

Can a wandering spirit see or communicate with other wandering spirits, or are they completely solitary?

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YES.. they can communicate with other astral spirits..

Ancient One

I personally do beleive in ghosts, as well as many other aspects of paranormal phenomena.

But this wasn't until I discovered a collective, loosely arranged scientific theory to explain it.

For example, you know how encounters with ghosts often make the area nearby very cold? I beleive this to be the source of the ghost's power. Living organisms create energy via chemical reactions and electricity and the like... ghosts sustain themselves by extracting heat energy from the area.

Additionally, I theorize that the 'spirit' of a person can be imprinted into a location or a physical object by using a highly complex system of interacting electromagnetic fields, which would account for some "cursed" objects that always bring harm to the persons possessing them.

In a sense you're right.... we seem to get heaps more activity in old pioneer grave yards, and haunted locations (ESPECIALLY the old York Hospital in western australia - jesus christ), and in places where the feeling is just 'bad'. In a way it points to evil hanging around more, but how can we differentiate the difference between good and evil if we dont exactly know what they are let alone their preference to good or evil :P

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im thinking of doing the UV camera thing. every try and do it at a place where alot of human trama have happened. say a murder site or a grave yard filled with criminals? they say that if enough bad shit happens in 1 spot then it leaves a spiritual scar on a place. or maybe they dont

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Originally posted by NGNeer:
I personally do beleive in ghosts, as well as many other aspects of paranormal phenomena.

But this wasn't until I discovered a collective, loosely arranged scientific theory to explain it.

For example, you know how encounters with ghosts often make the area nearby very cold? I beleive this to be the source of the ghost's power. Living organisms create energy via chemical reactions and electricity and the like... ghosts sustain themselves by extracting heat energy from the area.

Additionally, I theorize that the 'spirit' of a person can be imprinted into a location or a physical object by using a highly complex system of interacting electromagnetic fields, which would account for some "cursed" objects that always bring harm to the persons possessing them.

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Its said that one's astral being is to the physical touch cold, when experienced passing through during astral projection etc. Personally experienceing cold spots and the like on ghotst investigations, along with a matching EMF movement should back that up. I have a similar theory as to where they get their energy: us, our emotions, our astral self, us. Thoughts are energy and thus attract like energy: like thought. An angry ghost can feed off a person's anger perhaps by making them more angry, to which they manifest making them more powerful.
Remember from the movie the 6th sense? "They only see what they want to see".... this i believe to actually be true, as our own consciousness shapes our afterlife ..... a dead spirit not willing to let go of their physical life may in fact continue to live out their own life, in their own reality thinking that nothing has changed ... sortof. To the humans around, psychokinetic phenomena may be experienced - as the ghost may re-enact something that they used to do when they occupied a physical body. A situation could then be considered perhaps when they start to realise that the humans they are trying to interact with arent listening, or receiving what messages they're trying to convey.... and get pissed off.... and bad ghost shit happens.

i believe that the inability to let go of our physical vessel shields us from the truth of what lies ahead, something far greater than the pain of mortality..... something which i even cannot explain in words... as all to say, all is well... to not let go is to castrate yourself from the succulence of life itself, life exists far beyond the physical - and we shape what the next bit is by doing exactly what we're doing here.

thats a bit off subject eh
might stay off the weed for a bit ....
lol

any ideas as to what the orbs are in the pictures on my site, and the others mentioned? (like www.theshadowlands.net/ghost under pics)
then again, any ideas as to what that myst type stuff (ecto) is ?

some have human form, others dont ...
perhaps forms of animals ?

i looked over the photos on shadow lands and saw absolutely no pictures there that provided any evidence of ghosts. every picture can be easily explained using one of the following:

water dropplets on the lense
lense flares
smudges on the lense
out of focus distant lights
camera straps hanging in front of lense
cigarette smoke
fog or mist
partial film exposures
time elapsed film exposures
obvious photoshop touchups

a couple very obvious one that caught my attention:

the picture of an "ectoplasm mist" hovering about a womans head. cleary visible on the table in front of her is pack of cigarettes and a lighter.

one picture of a "vortex". the weave of the camera strap is clearly visible, and the "vortex" has the exact shape of a dangling camera strap.

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Originally posted by Quantized:
i looked over the photos on shadow lands and saw absolutely no pictures there that provided any evidence of ghosts. every picture can be easily explained using one of the following:

water dropplets on the lense
lense flares
smudges on the lense
out of focus distant lights
camera straps hanging in front of lense
cigarette smoke
fog or mist
partial film exposures
time elapsed film exposures
obvious photoshop touchups

a couple very obvious one that caught my attention:

the picture of an "ectoplasm mist" hovering about a womans head. cleary visible on the table in front of her is pack of cigarettes and a lighter.

one picture of a "vortex". the weave of the camera strap is clearly visible, and the "vortex" has the exact shape of a dangling camera strap.

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hehe gotta love a sceptic

Indeed, you're quite right there's a few photos in there that can be dodgily explained, lol and that packet of cigarettes on the table was quite interesting too. In fact we've observed also that shots with lots of orbs in them can be explained by dust being kicked up and caught in the camera flash - which you can actually see light up when youre taking the photo.

You might indeed wish to peruse some of the videos on www.ozghost.com then - I was previously this year OzGhost Research's Vice President, but a personal dispute stopped me from posting this site previously.

If you go to http://www.ozghost.com/investigations/ and scroll to the Fremantle Prison investigation, you'll see some photos that i shot that turned out something at least mild. I had a digital camera, and youll see Dave in http://www.ozghost.com/investigations/freo_prison_140602/normal/bright_blue_orb.jpg as i captured this bright orb thing. If you've got XP Zoom in on it ... you may see a face?!? . There's a blue orb moving around in one of them, but i think the most strange of them all was http://www.ozghost.com/investigations/freo_prison_140602/normal/prison_strange.jpg . Now this was a convict prison, as such this block that i was taking a photo of only had rusted up bars, no windows. There's a couple of luminous spots in a few of the windows, which i can assure you werent there, neither was the strange red glowing light in another window. If Dave hadn't have put that stupid fucking copyright sign on it you'd be able to see something that looks like a mini shooting star, like that white ball of light that looks like its flying out of the grass. I duno there has to be some explaination for it. I have 4 years photography experience, i took the pics, i downloaded them to dave's computer and watched him post them to his site, the only thing that wasnt there on those FREMANTLE photos (i know for SURE) was the copyright. I cant find any physical means or explaination as to why such things would be showing up, maybe the camera's fucked.


You're quite right in assuming that a lot of these photos could either be faked, or due to inappropriate circumstance of camera - shit getting in the way and looking like 'ghosts'. Perhaps then i should scan some photos that i took in daytime at a country cemetry... I used a canon 35mm SLR - basically looking through the lens, what i see goes on the film (negative, naturally ). I still have the negatives, reprinted twice because i thought the chemist had fucked up. Then i developed and enlarged them for myself - i still cannot explain. They're not that scary or whacked out or creepy, its not even really special, but they were anomalies that appeared on a film negative without a physical source to my knowledge whatsoever. Even that's gotta be special




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I'm highly skeptical of spooks, specters, and ghosts myself in most instances, but I think that in some instances they are genuine paranormal phenomena.

I don't know much about the scientific reasoning behind ghosts but, I do know I have seen them, or experienced them. They weren't just balls of light either. I once lived in a house in which the elderly couple that owned the house before had died at the house. I would sometimes see a shadow of an old man walking the halls. There would be times the rocking chair on the front porch would start rocking on its own. I cut a small tree out of the front yard and drug it around back to be burned the next day. The next day the tree was laying by the stump it had been cut from. I would hear a loud lawn mower sound in the middle of the night. The old man died of a heart attack while mowing. The woman died of a heart attack while rocking in the chair on the front porch. Friends have told me of strange things they saw and felt as well. Ghost may or may not be able to be explained and their existence might not be proven, but I don't need proof.... I just know.

I'd like to experiance some type of paranormal encounter. Until then i'm a disbeliever, sorry =/

The first ghost busters was the best out of the two.

machenery- or even a ceiling fan vibrating at the right frequency makes you retina vibrate, making real things seem ghostlike

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How do you mean? Most of the places we visit to get such photos and stuff arent even near any active power sources .. so i dont know about that

Although, for some strange reason, we have noticed the orbs following lines of electrical current, heading towards and in batteries - or anything of electrical charge for that matter, and they appear to 'manifest' it - because you can see them growing much brighter. And for some really, really bizarre reason - they seem to swarm to humans when there's a lot of energy expenditure physically: ie jumping around, running in a direction, running in a circle etc. Some have appeared not only to grow in brightness, but size too.

That went off on a bit of a weird tangent :P

hey ahriman
finally got here!
Question:
Why cant ghosts/spirits communicate properly with us so we would understand them to recieve info about the afterlife?
Or are they trying but our minds are closed?

or is it because we have to learn the answers on our own in this lifetime?

There must be a good reason as to why we encounter them....to teach us for our spiritual journey? then it comes back to the communication question....hehe hope i havnt confused anyone

*headache* too many questions!!
i believe in the paranormal 100% I've had too many experiences along with ahriman not to believe

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hey ahriman
finally got here!
Question:
Why cant ghosts/spirits communicate properly with us so we would understand them to recieve info about the afterlife?
Or are they trying but our minds are closed?

or is it because we have to learn the answers on our own in this lifetime?

There must be a good reason as to why we encounter them....to teach us for our spiritual journey? then it comes back to the communication question....hehe hope i havnt confused anyone

*headache* too many questions!!
i believe in the paranormal 100% I've had too many experiences along with ahriman not to believe

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Interesting question you posed there freakyskyla, in my opinion spirit does try to communicate with people - some who are more sensitive to this kind of phenomena than others can hear or even see them. I believe it is just what we believe to be real: the majority of people out there have the slightest bit of doubt on the paranormal, let alone belief: so its fitting the number of people whom claim to communicate with the dead is proportionally smaller.

They say in death all life's answers are revealed: i suppose that is true, no longer are we looking through the eyes of our physical body, but now something else. Nobody can tell us what love is like, it just is. Just like i believe that someone who has passed over wouldnt fully want to give away life's secrets they cant tell us what life's all about - we have to learn for ourself (and i suppose re-incarnation can fit into place here).

That brings me to the point of why are they here: well why are we here? Why are the birds, the stars, the trees, the cars, the hills, the pills all here? We dont know, they just are - and we like it. Fundamentally spirit could be considered the living soul of a once-living physical carnate body, the energy that hasnt died off yet; and thus are only here because of physical bodies passing on.

Its not a 'must have' to be able to hear, see or communicate with the dead. I mean if anything now, i communicate with them less openly and freely than when i did when i was a child - i guess society's morals and views on 'ghosts and paranormal' behaviour have rubbed off a bit, given me a bit of a blanket so to speak.

I think once we start looking inside ourselves and start remembering exactly why we are here, some of this will start to make even more sense.

I'm highly skeptical when it comes to ghosts, but I DO beleive that spirits remain on Earth sometimes, not being able to return to a self-contained world, still somehow bound to the Earth by their brain. (sorry, I have a theory on all this, I'll describe it if you ask me)

Not only do spiritual magnitudes show up on camera... they also show up on digital audio... it's known as EVP (electrical voice phenomena.) There are sites where you can read about this, and even download sound files. Some of them are very, very strange.

Just look it up on Google.

--lynxtor

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Originally posted by lynxtor:
I'm highly skeptical when it comes to ghosts, but I DO beleive that spirits remain on Earth sometimes, not being able to return to a self-contained world, still somehow bound to the Earth by their brain. (sorry, I have a theory on all this, I'll describe it if you ask me)

Not only do spiritual magnitudes show up on camera... they also show up on digital audio... it's known as EVP (electrical voice phenomena.) There are sites where you can read about this, and even download sound files. Some of them are very, very strange.

Just look it up on Google.

--lynxtor

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Thanks for your reply man, ive been through many websites of reported EVPs - still remain somewhat sceptical about that, should i say about some of them - although i have witnessed one with the ozghost group that was pretty hair-raising.

Id love to hear about your theor definately, thats why i started this thread - i wanted to know what people think about the afterlife - ghosts, and i'd be more than happy to share in your opinion.

ahriman

I wasn't totally sure about ghosts being a reality, but after seeing http://www.theshadowlands.net/cheshire-thelady.jpg I believe!

that's a double exposure.

look here: http://www.fakeghost.com/

Once, I got up to get a glass of water and I saw my ghost. I was just standing there, dressed in a white cloak that seemed to blow, like it was windy. My hair was blonde again and I was really pale. I nearly died a couple of weeks later.

Jr.

soon as this datura of mine matures ill tell u what kind of ghosts i see

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soon as this datura of mine matures ill tell u what kind of ghosts i see

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LOL !!! give me some
actually ive heard peyote or mescaline is better for that

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Once, I got up to get a glass of water and I saw my ghost. I was just standing there, dressed in a white cloak that seemed to blow, like it was windy. My hair was blonde again and I was really pale. I nearly died a couple of weeks later.

Jr.

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Thats what's known as aq doppelganger (meaning "double walker"). It's a copy of yourself and it is said that seeing your doppelganger foreshadows an imminent tragedy that will happen to you in the near future.

So if you actually did see a doppelganger, you should have been dead, so consider yourself lucky.

Do you know anything more about these doppelgangers? Id like to research them - does anyone have any good sites or places of interest on the matter?

Help would be appreciated.

ahriman

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Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:
Thats what's known as aq doppelganger (meaning "double walker"). It's a copy of yourself and it is said that seeing your doppelganger foreshadows an imminent tragedy that will happen to you in the near future.

So if you actually did see a doppelganger, you should have been dead, so consider yourself lucky.

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hey weve got to go to York again soon, i read on a forums someone asking if it had been turned into a bed & breakfast? If it has we are going to stay there!

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Originally posted by freakyskyla:
hey weve got to go to York again soon, i read on a forums someone asking if it had been turned into a bed & breakfast? If it has we are going to stay there!

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For sure hey, that'd be awesome =] When i went there with Craig Bec and Jon, we stayed for a picnic at that old cemetry, that used to be a church grounds or something? That might be worth checking out too =] But i wouldnt be surprised if the old hospital is just how we saw it last ... for sale.

On a different note, i've been having some really strange stuff happening to me the past few nights - by a spirit named Mary whom resides in my room (i think) - she told me 16, 3, then 19 - which ill tell you about later (sorry to be so vague). I dont actually know if i can call it strange, moreso something that hasnt happened before.

About a dozen years ago, my wife and I were living in Bayard, N.M., doing psychic readings and stuff under the business name of Soulmates Unlimited (unfortunate name, most people thought it was some sort of New-Age dating service), and I was teaching shamanism at Western New Mexico U. A young couple came to us because their house was haunted. They had all the classic symptoms--cold spots, drafts, plus numerous people had seen a couple dressed in old-fashion western garb. I contacted them--poor dears didn't know they were dead, as do many discarnate spirits. They were a married couple, and the woman ended up being so upset knowing that they were hurting the people who lived there that she kind of talked her husband into going into the Light with her. My wife made up medicine bags for the whole family and counseled them while I was doing the actual, well, exorcism for want of a better word.