First off, I feel bad about posting two topics in a row, but this one just popped into my mind.

A lot of times during school, when I slowly drift asleep, I have short dreams. They are either of a sharp pain, or of myself falling. The pain and or falling usually occurs for about 10 seconds in dream time, and then I jerk awake. And I mean JERK awake. I jump up, usually banging some unexpected part of my body. Twice I've fallen off my seat, much to my own personal embarassment.

Now, according to Robert Peterson's book, Out of Body Experiences, what I have been doing is a type of OBE, if I am interpreting this correctly.

My main question would be, why is this only happening at school, and no where else?

Ironz

Its quite possible that when you are a t school you are in a frame of mind, which envokes these o.b.e's. Im not sure. Ironz i would research into this.

Peace Renegade,

That happens when I am sleeping sometimes. I'll just be sleeping or be mostly unconsciouss and my body will have a quick spasm and jerk a limb like my leg or the whole side of my body and it will wake me up. It's not an unusual occurrance.

When someone astrally projects, what protects their body from being 'possessed' by either another person astrally projecting, or some type of evil spirit lurking around your house? Cant any spirit just walk in there and take you over? I had a nightmare about that. It started off as my friend suggested that we try astral projection, so we both did. After some time of fun flying around and performing stunts we decided it would be wise to go back into our bodies, so we traveled back home where we were stopped by some type of demonic figure saying "They are not your bodies anymore" or something similar. I went crazy and I wanted my body back so I devised a plan to trick the demon into leaving my body for a split second. I threw shit at him (my body) like vases and crap and he couldnt do anything as a physical being so he de-possessed me for a bit and then try to kill me or send me to Hell or something, so I jumped right back into my body and ran out of the house and down the street.

It was very odd too, when, in my dream, I was an astral being and I tried to wake up in case this was a dream (I didnt know if it was or wasnt at the time) but none of my waking up methods worked. It was freaky, usually in every dream up to this one I am able to wake up at any time by physically opening up my eyes, and I know how to do this withen a dream because I have done it since I was like 5 years old to wake from nightmares. But that didnt work at all, so I got scared shitless and came up with a more clever method of getting my body back, thank God it worked or else I may or may not be in this body depending on if what I experienced was more than a dream...

So anyways, how does one protect his/her body from others during a projection?

in my experience there are not "demons". a demon is a fiary tale being made up by christians to scare little boys.

when your in your body your not really in your body at all. when people refer to being in their bodies they simply mean that the whole of their consciousness is focussed on their physical bodies.

you astral body is also not really a body at all. it is possible to project without an astral body. in my opinion an astral body is simply there to help humans acustomed to physical existant understand the astral existance. think of it as a sort of crutch to help you.

back to the original question. i dont really believe anyone would want your body. if they wanted to go to earth they could just get their own. also i do not believe in demons with the power to harm you in the astral. all of my experiences have been positive. thats no to say that there arent other beings. i met a being on my first obe but i have never encountered ones with malintent.

also ironz your situation sounds more like a lucent dream than an astral projection to me. one way to tell is your vision. is it physical vision or mind sensing? if you project you will know it for sure. all i found that i get in a similar mood in school because of the monotony and utter uselessness of my physical existance in that place.

Could be the waves emanating from the gateway to hell, found beneath many schools.

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Originally posted by VeneFrigus:
Could be the waves emanating from the gateway to hell, found beneath many schools.

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This all may sound stupid, and i am more sceptic than most but dontt be an ass.

CTR

It's true they hide them with the old fashioned boilers

LMAO, the real evil spirits are often found in the administation offices.

i am having a hard time understanding this. You say it happens when you are asleep and yet it happens at school. Do you fall asleep at school too??

This just sounds like sleep paralisis to me. I posted this several times as well as others. You are in sleep mode (Basically 1 step up from coma) and you mind is conscience but your body isnt responding to it. maybe a leg or an arm will move. I usually can move only my right leg when im in this mode. I kick it really hard to bring me out of Sleep Paralisis. but even if i dont it will go away on its own.

Many people have had simular visions of "The old witch". i have never experienced this and probubly because I tend to sleep on my side or stomache while most people sleep on their backs.

But those that sleep on their backs swear they wake up and cant move and have what they see as an old women laying on their chest and forcing them from moving. Its pretty bizzare that many people in different nations over many years have reported this event. Weather it is supernatural in orgin or perhaps a common vision like those who swear they are abducted by aliens at night might stem from some kind of natural fear that we all share.

Anyways im guessing this is where you are going with this. But many link Sleep Paralisis with OBE. Like you're falling and you hit the bed and your bed bounces. or you feel weightless in bed.


just about ever human has experienced this so dont think it is unnatural at all. those who never experience it just may not remember it.

ok first of all, at school, when u project, r u asleep? or does it happen when u r awake? it could be because at school if u fall asleep or just into a deep stupor, your not in as deep of sleep as u are when u r in bed so u wake up easier and therefore are able to become aware of yourself projecting quite easily, while, in bed u are in a deeper sleep and projecting doesn't wake u. so u really don't just do it at school, u just r only aware of it at school. that's just my thought on the subject though, i don't really know that much about it

there's a simple definition for astral projection. everyone knows that there are gifts from God and gifts from satan. well, astral projection just so happens to come from satan. prophecy, is a gift from God which i believe is God's gift in contrast to satan's. but if you're casting, you're not in control of your soul, since there are now demons in your soul. if you find yourself casting on accident, you're not the one doing it, but the demons which you have let into your soul are. by casting, or attempting to, you open doors to your soul, filling your soul with demons. this is not cool, it's a very very bad thing, because you're not yourself anymore, you don't belong to yourself. of course, you can expell demons, but who do you think are stronger? demons of man? and the holy spirit does not dwell with demons. the more demonic presence in you, the less the holy spirit is in you. God is the only way out, because God of course, can expell demons from people with ease, you cannot. if you're an athiest, you will have demons invading your soul for as long as you remain so. i've seen demons before, but i don't see them anymore. the only thing i can say for those of you who want the demons out, is to repent, and picture yourself expelling demons from your soul, but through Christ. if you yourself try, the demons WILL come back, as they will attack you seven times in the place which you've defended yoruself. don't confuse this with demon possession, as that is possession of the spirit, but of your soul. there are many things you do in the flesh which will attract certain 'flies' as you rot, and astral projectin is one of them. do not mistake me, because this is no joke. satan does not care if you believe in him or not, but i can assure you, that's exactly what this is

And what makes you so positive without a doubt that it IS evil that causes one to project. Hopefully you have more proof other than "My minister told me", any personal experience perhaps, you have my attention.

edit: spelling

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ok, this is a theory i read from a book i bought on astral projection.

It states in this book that when you are sleeping and you jerk and wake up it is ur ehtreal body attempting to leave. But the "silver cord" pulls you back in. When you astral project there is an invisible force that always pulls you back to your body and the closer you are to your body the harder the tug is. Thats why when people astral project they have to get away from their body as quickly as possible. At least 10 feet away so they can restrain the pull. What happened to you in school is you were just sleeping and you accidently left your body and you may have been hovering right above it, or somewhere very close. That jerk was the "silver cord" pulling you back in creating a jolt.

That is the rewritten theory by me.
I have not yet been able to astral project and i havent tried yet, ive been studying it and i dont plan on attempting it until i know quite a bit about it.

And yes, your body is up for possesion while you are out of it. As somebody said above. But, when you go back to ur body, whatever is in it HAS to leave. Your body belongs to you and nothing can stay there without ur permission. It says Demons are real, and they possess you, and may bargain and try to stay in your body. If you are firm they will leave however.

Another thing, Nothing can hurt you on an astral level. You are on the same level as they are. If you are new at astral projecting you may become scared and they (if they are an evil being) may scare the living fuck out of you.

Last thing, if you see anything you dont like, just go back to your body.

heres a question I have, is it possible to communicat with a dead family member on the astral level?

apologies about the lack of personal detail. i'd written this twice, because the buffer had been erased more than once because i'd visited another link before posting the reply. first of all, no minister has ever had any influence on my experience with the astral plane. i've never heard any minister talking about the astral plane period. and to answer your question, i Have had astral projection experiences, the first of which was done on purpose by myself, and the following several projections were done without and even almost against my will. i've seen demons before as i'd been casting for no reason during a math class my sophomore year of highschool, and during which time, i'd seen a waterfall of green, toxic ether, and a demonic face, looking at me from in front of it. the casts which are not done on purpose ARE done by demons controlling you. the act of astral projection is not done by you, but is done, as many other paranormal activities, by a spirit within you. the holy spirit brings prophecy, speaking in tongues, and all that stuff you've read about in the bible, whereas satan brings psychic visions, astral projection, and other paranormal activities which are designed for self indulgence. you can read corinthians I, chapter 14 for definitions of prophecy, as they are not so limited as psychic power is, and know that if you are casting, you have demons using and defiling whatever holy gift you have within you, and the holy spirit is not using you to do God's will. this means that you WILL not have prophecies during a period in which demons are invading your soul and controlling your soul. if you think you are still prophisizing, you're mistaken. you're simply using psychic powers which come from satan, and you then in part, belong to satan. about the purposeless kicks and jolts some of you feel when sleeping in class, this used to happen to me during the time which i'd had demons using me, but it does not happen anymore, and i can only speculate that this is a symptom of demonic possession. for ANYBODY who thinks that a person himself does the projection (or herself), i'd advise you to read Acts chapter 16, v16-18. i really cannot see how anybody could rely on any theory of astral projection, as all other theories are severely misguided paganistic speculations, and have no accuracy applicable to the situation some of you are facing, whatsoever. if you do not purge the demons, more will come; and a demon is much stronger than you are, yet nothing against Christ. i was very seriously lied to, as if i'd known this about astral projection before i'd attempted it, i never would have. a simple guidline for paranormal powers/experiences you may undergo throughout life can be summed up in one verse. Romans, chapter 14, verse 23: But if the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not of faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

gross error: the last verse is Romans chapter 14, verse 23, not Acts. apologies.

But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

That is some great research, graft, even though I don't adhere to religion. Kudos!

when you jerk up from sleep its just you awaking from a preconsciousness. not a big deal people do it all the time

the only times i've ever had brief muscle spasm was during half conscious sleep during class. this state of consciousness is the ideal state for astral projection, and being so, it's the ideal state for mental reception of demonic influence. how do you think you get to casting? of course, this is speculation, but being in the state of potential demonic influence, allows not only astral projection, but all forms of demonic possession, which can include muscle spasms. these spasms have only occurred in class, and are abnormal, as my friend sitting beside me either thinks i'm mentally abnormal, or faking it. i (used to) was unable to control this kind of muscle spasm. this never happened in bed, but like i said, it's only speculation that this is simple result of demonic possession.

graft if you believe this demonic satanism bullshit then your just a fool. you can call me ignorant for not respecting your view but its rediculous. your body cannot be possesed and you never really leave and enter your body at all. this demonic shit is just an excuse to define non physical things in human physical terms. your consciousness never leaves because its never there in the first place, its simply focused on your body and astral projection takes focus off of your body and out of the physical plane. i realy hate when people preach this jesus crap and mis-inform people who could otherwise have the greatest experience of their lives.

This happens to me too sometimes. I'll doze away, and be just...BAM! awake. Sometimes I feel like I just got slapped in the back of the head, but nobody is even paying attention or smirking. Sometimes when I'm dozing away somewhere else, I feel a burst of electricity through my body and I literally jolt awake, dazed and confused. It only happens at places that seem haunted though. For example - The house I lived in in Hawaii about 5 years ago. That's where I felt the electricity the most. Hawaii is one of the most haunted places on Earth, and the neighborhood I lived in didn't make anything any better. I had nightmares about ghosts there ALL THE TIME. Now, its usually only in school when I feel slaps. I don't know if my school is old enough to be haunted, but it does get creepy.

well the amazing boredom of being in school could cause your body to want to be somewhere else, anywhere else, and therefore giving you an obe...

about being in haunted places. there aren't any such things as ghosts. the bible states that once a person's body dies, their spirit/soul/whatever you want to call them, is gone to judgement and then Heaven or Hell. well, what happens when someone who is possessed, dies? where does the demon go? the demon does not follow the person, but possesses another thing. in this process, it makes sense that a demon would possess some other worldly thing, such as a house, or area, or something we can't see, because we are too limited mentally/physically/whatever. but animals can be possessed, as well as people, it is very possible that inanimate objects can be possessed as well, which is the theory i go by when dealing with haunted objects.

When you fall asleep in class, and you fall asleep but u can still hear faintly. is preconscious, ...preconsious is the gateway to APing. Fun to do in study hall when you have nothing to do. Right when you drift off. Let your body fall asleep but keep your mind focused. but my point is, drifitng off like that is just preconscious, it's not a big deal. get 5 or 6 hours of sleep before school and you should be good for a nice preconscious trip.