I have just been listening to the news and apparently even after the United Nations said that cloning a human was not to be done and wouldn�t be done, there�s a secret laboratory in Britain that has been trying to do it anyway. Is this fucked up or what, if it had been another country that wasn�t in the UN people would be really upset about this.
I have been thinking maybe this mad cow disease and hoof and mouth disease are in Britain because they have been doing the most research in genetics. Could it be that somehow these experiments have had unexpected results and were the reason that these diseases are on the loose.???
Then again it could have been a sign of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, which are PESTILANCE, (swarms of locusts and shit like that)
PLAGUE, (disease like hoof and mouth, mad cow)
FAMIN, (lack of food to feed the population, caused by mad cow)
DEATH, (The creation of a soulless person, like a cloned human)
Could we really be at the end of days.?????

check out hal lindsay's book "the late great planet earth"

it was written over 30 years ago and reads like a newspaper.

many of the things in there that hadn't happened yet have now.

it's a really interesting book and puts the bible into a whole new perspective.

That does sound pretty interesting i'll be sure to check it out.

hey gob, man clonning a human is old news now man, what is the new thing is tweaking the gentics from the genome map, like height intelligence and life span etc, now that shit is fucked up man, but i cant help be interested by it, what about you guys?

Personally, I don't think it will ever be possible because I believe that time is linear.

The past is gone so you can't go there and the future has yet to be made, it is a blank sheet of paper.

People think "If time travel is possible, wouldnt one of us go back in time and say so?". The answer is you can't, even if it is possible, you have to have the time travel tech. in the present, because it hasn't been invented yet.

Think of how much havoc a time machine could wreak.

I always thought of time as a byproduct of existing, not really a universal element, and if it is, unmanipulateable.

~Dark

we only PERCEIVE linear time.

time actually is not linear at all because it is a dimension.

it's hard to explain; but think of a three-dimensional map and then add not the fourth dimension which would be like camera frames; add the fifth dimension of time which would have each point existing not only at a spot on the map but at a time on the map for as long as that point exists throughout time.

you will find different "objects" occupying that point throughout time.

we perceive linear because think of the mental strain if you experienced your whole life over and over and over in fractions of a second; birth life death and the whole range of emotions that went with it.

we would go crazy.

I think cloning humans is just fine think of the possibilities.

Time Travel
Well I am not up to speed here but hear is some food for thought.

Some say you cannot travel to the future, only the past. Well if you go to the past the future has not happened, so you would be stuck there. (I think it can go both ways)

If we talk about time as being a tangible thing like the universe, we live in. In addition, we say maybe it is folded like the universe is by gravity. Or possibly some other force. We could possibly apply the same theory of worm holes to time travel.

As far as Mad cow disease. That is some cool shit! It is a transmissible spongiform encephalopathies big ass words huh. Which is not bacteria or a virus. It is a protein group or some shit. (I�m no biochemist) Now they increate all these cows in Britain right, turns out the ashes still contain the disease! The shit is nearly invincible. Therefore, they have to store the ashes in sealed airplane hangers. It came from cannibals in Africa that as ritual ate each other�s brains thus spreading the TSR very effectively. In fact, that is why in the US it is illegal to feed cows to cows. However, its legal to feed cows to pigs and then pig to cows. Therefore, you can imagine how it could spread in the US. That would lead to the killing of millions of cows. And very possible quite a few people. Since mad cow disease does kill people. There is no cure. Gee, think of the terrorism possibilities. Yes my friends bovine terrorism Muahaha!

Wow, biot- i completely agree with everything you just said.

would cloning really work??? they had like 100 trys to get dolly the sheep thats 100 lives all gone. pluss what about ya soul would the clone have a soul or what?? and if cloning really works, you could guarantee that it would be miss used to bring back hitler and people like that.... back in world war 2 hitler had a plane to make 100's of clones of him self but they never found a way. all i'm saying is we are not gods we have already stuffed most of this world up.

theres this book called the bible code i think and they took every last letter of ever second word or something from the bible and it has predicted every magor event in the world, eg world war 1, Hiroshima ect

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The UN is a worthless organization anyways that doesn't mean shit. What right does it have to tell Britain (or anyother nation) what it can and cannot do on it's own soil.

Send a blue helmet my way and I'll kill the motherfucker.

Anyways...

It's bound to happen, let Britain accomplish something.

I think time travel is very possible. Your forgetting the theory of a new dimension being formed. My beleif is that Jesus is from the future, he knew he could trick a bunch of fucking idiot peasants into beleiving everything he spouted and it would last because there were far more peasants to beleive in it than there were anything else. He may have done it because he didnt like the future he was living in. Look at our laws, most of our laws were founded on religious beliefs. This could also explain the deja vu we get every now and again. What if were not from the original dimension of time, and were somehow linked to our future selfs. This is how we get these feelings. Time travel is very possible my friend and it has already happened.

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well time is not real, it's merely an idea. so since it is only an idea and nothing more, it would make it pretty damn hard to travel through it. but that's just my theory.

I think LostYou is right... It would make sense to guide a race's beleifs to affect all future outcomes. That would also explain the "miracles" that were performed. By the time that the traveler decided to go back, technology had mastered gravity and could synthesize food. And I'm gambling that those people back then couldn't tell the difference between a coma and death.

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your exactly right this all has already happened but you are missing the whole fuckin point with jesus. over 2billion people are supposedly Christians today and look at all the ones who was martyred for him. all of these people are not slow thinking peasants and we are at the height of our own arrogance to say that these people are just stupid. fate/freewill and how does god know every decision i will make before i make it if the future is undecided left upon my own freewill; this was my dilemma cuz I beleived in freewill so how does he know
All of this has already happened; from beginnig to end (in Gods head;in a vision,dream or etc...regardless its happened in his head) thus he has a whole master plan that has already happened and this is how it works. the gift of life is the gift of freewill; God could of made us worship him but it was better to give us a choice so the ones that did follow him would be truly his. the good thing i like is how he directed the world in a way of letting us make our own descision to end up to His outcome The bible is very Deep if you are not a christian just read as a novel or just the gaining of insight and wisdom
The Great PuppetMaster

guys i have posted a timetravel topic, so i think it would be better to stay on the topic of cloning a human; hehe also before this topic was posted i posted a cloning topic as well.


From Joe

Cloning will lead to many advantages .Slowing down off age.Better intelingence.Fitter faster stronger limbs.better imunne system and on and on.As for the cost it took 100 trys to make dolly.It may take many more for humans that is the price we pay.pretend u were back when they invented the car.And you new how many people were going to die in car crashes .You would be screaming that they should ban cars.Would you dream off doing that now?

There are pros and cons to cloning humans. One of the biggest advantages is that we'd never have to worry about our organs going bad because we could just get a healthy one cloned. However, I'm pretty sure you could do that now if you had enough money.

The problems with cloning humans is more of an economical thing. I mean, imagine if one country started cloning humans. Say the U.S.A started cloning humans and a war broke out between the U.S.A and China or something. No one in the U.S.A would want to go to war and they have clones so why not just send clones to fight the war: they have no families who will miss them, they have no real souls or spirits, their just human robots, basically. But, then China finds out that we're using clones, and the rest of the world, of course, and they start cloning humans for the same purpose. War would become a game, like chess or something. The bloodshed would sieze to matter. There would be wars all the time (more than there are now) and with all the money going into warfare the economy would cripple.

My point - finally - is that, cloning has great advantages. But, it's one of those touchy things that could be very dangerous if it got out of hand and could very easily get out of hand.

I should write science fictions.

Cheers,
Lost

Like there arnt secret labs in the USA trying to clone people.

have laws stopped people before?

if money is involved it will be done.

I read in the Enquirer today that they've already cloned people.

Not that the Enquirer is really that legitamit...

Cheers,
Lost

they can't have cloned a human til after mcveigh is executed.

the seventh sign can't happen before the sixth.

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Originally posted by LostCause:
I read in the Enquirer today that they've already cloned people.

Not that the Enquirer is really that legitamit...

Cheers,
Lost

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oddly enough i was watching CNN about how enquire said Don Johnson was involved in several rape and sexual harrassment cases and it turned out to be true. CNN said they are a lot more reputable source of information then most people think. Except that retarded kid you always see on the cover. whats his name.. Rat Boy>?

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Originally posted by lostmind:
they can't have cloned a human til after mcveigh is executed.

the seventh sign can't happen before the sixth.

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Lost, someone else was saying some shit like that.. Not about tim mcveigh. but about Cloning being the 7th sign.

if you are just kidding then forget answering this. but if you really believe that please explain how and why you think this. in detail. Im curious to know. Please quote scriptures as well.

White Witch, Bat Boy is always on the cover of The Daily News, which happens to be my all time favourite news paper. Everything is totally untrue, farfetched, and phoney. It's everything a person could want in a newspaper!

Cheers,
Lost

i don't know the actual scripture passages;

for references check out the books of revelations and the prophets(isaiah, the gospels etc..) and "the late great planet earth" by hal lindsay.

the first four signs are the four horsemen;

war; disease; famine; and death(most in the 1900's then at any time in recorded history)


the fifth i could be mistaken but believe i remember it to be the rise of the revived roman empire; which i believe to be nato;

the beast with ten horns(10 nations in nato provide the military support for all nations involved)

the beast rises out of the sea(NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organization)

the sixth sign is a martyr who is executed for the whole world to see.(3 of the 4 major networks are providing live coverage of the proceedings leading up to the execution of mcviegh; with the fourth(abc) showing live coverage from the victims families; the rumor mill has it that the execution itself will be broadcast on several internet sights)

mcveigh a martyr? how do you ask is this possible.

depending on which side of the fence you're on; a martyr by definition is someone killed for their beliefs; which is why mcveigh bombed the building and why he's dying now.

a lot of heroes that were killed during the revolutionary war we call martyrs; england considers(ed) them war criminals.

the seventh sign is when the guff is emptied; in hebrew the guff is the hall of souls that is filled with gods compassion and where souls await to be born.

the biggest question surrounding the cloning of a human is whether or not a cloned human would have a soul.

I kind of have the idea, that - in a spiritual sense - a clone would acquire a spirit through the act of living. What I figure, though is that a clone would be extremely subceptable to an evil spirit. However, if you don't believe in those such things, this should mean absoloutely nothing to you; so I'm going to go away, now.

Cheers,
Lost