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Science of the Damned Paranoia, ghostly delusions and the science of the damned.

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Old 2000-07-15, 08:14
xmonkeyfistx xmonkeyfistx is offline
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I have imposed a new idea. I was working in my small lab on my computer when I happened across an that intrigued me. It seems that in the early 1700's, a man in rural England (name was removed) was killed in his town for an experiment. You see, this man was a notorious alchemist (an notable art from the scientific "outskirts" which many such as myself are reviving today) and he had done some very odd experimenting. He had altered the proteins of a bacterial strand and had created a very odd type of bacteria. Apparently, it acted as a sort of psuedo-parasite, which lived off a host but, without actually removing anything from it's host. About a month later, a man had an accident in the fields (fell from a tower of some sort, i believe) and was subsequently paralyzed from the waste down. Now this alchemist lived quite near the field and happened to be gathering materials for experimenting when he happened upon this man. Without reporting the accident to the authorities or any such action, the man removed the paralyzed body to his laboratory where he began to experiment on it. He began to devise a plan that was quite devious. He wondered if a dead body could be revived using bacteria. He proceeded to poison the man through a substance that was around in Europe at the time in very small quantities. It had the chemical composition to completely kill a person and then cause itself to become a latent substance in the body for a very long time. He used this compound on the man, which killed him. He then proceeded to expose the man to the bacteria, which then took on as a "psuedo-parasite". The bacteria contained it's own sources of food and energy, but they depleted very fast. Since most of the body still could function if energy was present, the bacteria began to transfer it's own energy to the organs of the corpse. Of course, the bacteria was destroyed soon afterwards due to the fact that it had depleted it's energy and food sources and had not recieved any in return. However, the organs soon began to function as normal and the man soon became alive once again, with the exception of his paralyzed parts. News of this phenomenally strange occurance soon spread and soon enough the man was killed for what most called witchcraft. Weird, huh?


Xx Monkeyfist xX

PS- I have a new phile about certain scientific things. Look for it soon enough...
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Old 2000-08-01, 03:18
The Real The Real is offline
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Please bring me up to date on modern alchemy?
It does take a nuclear rxn to turn lead into gold, which means very expensive gold.
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Old 2000-08-06, 03:02
xmonkeyfistx xmonkeyfistx is offline
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If you can find it, there is a book out called "The Modern Alchemist" it has a VERY extensive history of the practice. However, the modernized section is devoted to things such as weird science and basic destructive chemistry. Things like making nitroglycerin (a simple process which I've memorized) and UFO technology, stuff like that. I wish there was a device which could transfer unstable mixtures more safely than the current methods...
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Old 2000-08-06, 04:41
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real,

that is strange... cause i was wondering, there HAS to be some way to turn one element into another. the main thing that makes an element is number of protons (with the electrons and neutrons of course...). wouldn't it be possible to "add" a proton (hydrogen ion) to the mixture, or take one away?? i was pondering this for a long time, and now that it has come up, looks as better a time than any.

~bar room hero
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Old 2000-08-06, 04:56
Suziegirl Suziegirl is offline
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You could, but it would be extremely difficult and expensive.

Nuclear power basically works on that principle, chopping up an atom of one thing to make two atoms of something else with a lower atomic weight..

(crude explanation but.. )
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Old 2000-08-06, 06:35
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Yep in a particle accelerator we can make whatever we want or turn any element into something else. We have made short lived, very radioactive, elements such as Einsteinium in this manner and it is expensive. All elements actually are thought to be made this way is stars. Stars use fusion to produce heat and light, the fuel is mostly hydrogen. But 2 hydrogens fused will make helium and so on. As heavier elements are made, the star becomes more dense making heavier elements. The star becomes so dense it collapses on itself and explodes, dispersing the elements, what's left is a very cool star make up of neutrons and heavier elements which can then take different routes. In short that's how planets, we think, get the raw materials to be formed, from a stars fusion and death.

Anyways even more interesting there is a way to assemble atoms in a motionless state. Scientists have been able to use lasers to stop the motion of particles, they reach absolute zero and can be suspended in that state for a short time. In this short time other particles can be put into close proximity, when released the particles bond. One thing very neat they were able to was to make solid hydrogen. For years it was the only nonmetal placed on the metal side of the periodic table. In a solid state it is silver in color, malleable, and can conduct electricity very well.

Other neat thing I saw on tv a while ago whas a solid that was less dense than air. I can't remember what is was or the chemicals in it, but it was pretty damn cool.

You're right suziegirl, but you forgot one thing. With each, chopping, if you will there is a mass loss. This mass is turned into energy, how much is determined by Einstein's E=mcc.

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Old 2000-08-06, 18:54
Suziegirl Suziegirl is offline
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well yeah obviously, otherwise you couldn't use the whole concept as a basis for electric power.

As I said though, it was a very crude and simple explanation..

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Old 2000-08-11, 10:19
WarLorD WarLorD is offline
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Did u know that on average a cubic meter of sea water contains ~5 gramms of ionised gold
And it can be extracted
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Old 2000-08-12, 05:19
AtomicZagnut AtomicZagnut is offline
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Great! Now I don't have to try to find a job.
 #10 
Old 2000-08-13, 06:05
Matius Matius is offline
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My main conclusion of all of this....


















People arent wearing enough hats.
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Old 2000-08-20, 16:21
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The only gold extraction process I know of uses cyano salts and sometimes mercury. Not sure how it's done though.
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Old 2000-08-22, 05:37
AtomicZagnut AtomicZagnut is offline
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There's a gold extraction process using cyanide at this site:

http://www.haberscience.com/technology/hgp.html

They don't go into all the details, but it's a start.
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Old 2000-09-01, 12:27
ChrisC ChrisC is offline
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I was watching that show In Search Of. This episode was about alchemy. They said somthing about a guy in Europe you claimed to have been able to make gold in his lab. He had a peice of gold sent to the king and when the king had his men go to him to verify his claim, he dropped dead. Nuts
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Old 2000-11-25, 23:51
Joseph662 Joseph662 is offline
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in case you were wondering, it is posible to turn lead into gold, and it has been done, what happens is this:

gold (Au) has 79 protons, ands lead (Pb) has 82 protons, if u bombard a group of lead atoms with other particles, some of the lead protons get knocked out of the lead atom, if the right amount of protons get knocked out (ie. 3) you get a negitively charged GOLD ion, this has been done, but because it works on the atomic scale it would take 1,000,000 years just to make enough gold to make a wedding ring.

But it can, and has been done. have fun

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Old 2000-11-26, 20:45
unstable247 unstable247 is offline
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real, i never knew that they were able to reach absolute zero, although they have come as close as like .00001 degrees celcius to it. how did they actually reach that temperature?
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Old 2000-11-28, 16:31
mimarch mimarch is offline
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As far as I know you cant reach absolute zero
they have been with in 1/1,000,000,000 of a degree or what ever but as cooled as it get's there's still always a fraction more.
Oh "the real" mentioned a lighter than air solid it's made by removing all the air from aerogels it's used as hi-tech insulation It would be kinda cool to mess around with some of it like lighter than air cups and shit I don't think it's to strong though.
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Old 2000-12-07, 02:28
Satire24 Satire24 is offline
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That story is pure bullshit! I am majoring in biological genetics, the cell theory wasn't even thought of until 1853. And seeing as proteins construct cells by taking up space in the outer membrane of a human, which couldn't be seen until much later, and bacteria are even smaller, there is no way this guy could have known about proteins or bacteria much less manipulated them. It is a work of pure fiction. We had enough trouble 20 years ago manipulating cells. During the 1700's it was impossible.Were the hell did you find that load of bullshit?
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Old 2000-12-08, 20:50
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Sounded like the beginning of a "Franken"
story, or an excuse from which the stories came- kinda an Urban Legend.
 
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