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Old 2009-01-13, 01:47
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Hi.

Sometimes I see these juices that say on the box "not made with concentrate" and things like that. They make it sound like being made from concentrate is a bad thing. So my questions are:

1. What is the difference between concentrate and real juice?
2. Is concentrate really that bad? I mean, what are it's health benefits and possibly damages?
3. Would you avoid buying juices made from concentrate?
4. While we are on the subject, how "good" is puree compared to juice? Better? worse? about the same? Compared to concentrate? better or worse?


Also, I came across apple cider. It's darker in colour than apple juice. My question is, is it better for you or worse than apple juice?

Thanks
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Old 2009-01-13, 02:19
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c-c-CCONCENTRATE ISN'T NATURAL IT HAS CARCIOGENS DONT TOUCH ITS A WATERBOWL
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Old 2009-01-13, 02:57
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^ignored
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Old 2009-01-13, 04:48
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Well, if you think about it, the meaning of juice concentrate is inherent. It's basically just "juice - water content = purer substance".

And certainly, there's nothing inherently bad about juice concentrate, it's just that it's still the same mass, with much more nutritional and caloric content packed in it. Don't believe any bullshit about it being harmful. You can usually get cheaper juice if it's concentrate, too.
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Old 2009-01-13, 04:55
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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil
Well, if you think about it, the meaning of juice concentrate is inherent. It's basically just "juice - water content = purer substance".

And certainly, there's nothing inherently bad about juice concentrate, it's just that it's still the same mass, with much more nutritional and caloric content packed in it. Don't believe any bullshit about it being harmful. You can usually get cheaper juice if it's concentrate, too.


when it says made from concentrate, they mean they took the water out of the juice, but then added it back later. somehow this is cheaper or something...juice not from concentrate is the "better" stuff, but personally, i don't think it matters because all brands seem to add vitamin c, and sometimes calcium, up the ass to their juice anyway.
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Old 2009-01-13, 05:00
devoiced devoiced is offline
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I was just wondering this while guzzling Juicy Juice. Juicy Juice FTW.
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Old 2009-01-13, 05:55
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I was just wondering this while guzzling Juicy Juice. Juicy Juice FTW.


Was it the kind that comes in a big can? Back in the day I used guzzle that in the middle of the night like my life depended on it.
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Old 2009-01-13, 12:16
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Juice is a great way to get more body fat, but it's a bad choice over say, water.
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Old 2009-01-13, 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yggdrasil
Well, if you think about it, the meaning of juice concentrate is inherent. It's basically just "juice - water content = purer substance".

And certainly, there's nothing inherently bad about juice concentrate, it's just that it's still the same mass, with much more nutritional and caloric content packed in it. Don't believe any bullshit about it being harmful. You can usually get cheaper juice if it's concentrate, too.


Wouldn't this mean that the concentrate is actually better than juice? since it's got more/purer substance and more nutritional value? If that's the case why do some companies feel the need to advertise that their stuff is real juice, not concentrate?


juice not from concentrate is the "better" stuff

Why would that be the case? By definition the concentrate's got a higher percentage of the "good stuff", such as nutrients and fibers and such?
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Old 2009-01-13, 14:59
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Wouldn't this mean that the concentrate is actually better than juice? since it's got more/purer substance and more nutritional value? If that's the case why do some companies feel the need to advertise that their stuff is real juice, not concentrate?

Because man is foolish; if he hears that something is "fake" or "pppPROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED OMG PASTEURIZED" it's carcinogenic, filled with carcinogens, unnatural, unhealthy, dangerous, or all of the aforementioned. If you can sell a natural product, even if it isn't (and they never are), it will sell more than a pppPROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED product.
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Old 2009-01-13, 16:38
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Why would that be the case? By definition the concentrate's got a higher percentage of the "good stuff", such as nutrients and fibers and such?

there's fiber in orange juice? Confused

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-tropicana-beverages-orange-juice-original-i115273

people drink orange juice because it has a lot of vitamin c in it. i don't know if whether or not it's from concentrate matters, but they would add vitamin c to it if some process removed it along the way. some brands will also add calcium, as i said. i think this is probably to appeal to people who don't like the taste of milk, but still want to drink something in the morning with calcium in it. there's also potassium.

another brand, similar content, but with more vitamin c, because they probably add it: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-simply-orange-juice-original-i105294

so just what fucking nutrients and fibers are you talking about? orange juice is vitamin c. now there seems to be a good amount of sugar in these orange juices. i don't know if that's natural or if it's added. if it's added, then one benefit of squeezing your own orange juice painstakingly by hand every day would be ingesting less sugar.
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Old 2009-01-13, 17:14
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It's about flavour. Juices from concentrate will never taste quite the same as a more natural juice.

One of the reasons that juices from concentrate are cheaper is that they're sold in bulk and packaged in much smaller containers.

If you aren't a juice connoisseur, then it doesn't particularly matter.
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Old 2009-01-13, 17:47
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Because man is foolish; if he hears that something is "fake" or "pppPROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED OMG PASTEURIZED" it's carcinogenic, filled with carcinogens, unnatural, unhealthy, dangerous, or all of the aforementioned. If you can sell a natural product, even if it isn't (and they never are), it will sell more than a pppPROCESSED PROCESSED PROCESSED product.

You're trying WAY too hard, kid.
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Old 2009-01-13, 23:13
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Jötunheim
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Wouldn't this mean that the concentrate is actually better than juice? since it's got more/purer substance and more nutritional value? If that's the case why do some companies feel the need to advertise that their stuff is real juice, not concentrate?


Why would that be the case? By definition the concentrate's got a higher percentage of the "good stuff", such as nutrients and fibers and such?

It would. This is a prime example of the kind of bullshit marketing wants us to scarf down. However, Euda is right; concentrate doesn't taste quite the same. But if you're in juice for the nutritional value, just buy concentrate. They jam-pack all those drinks with vitamins and minerals regardless.
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Old 2009-01-14, 05:10
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You're trying WAY too hard, kid.

ooooh, kid
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Old 2009-01-14, 10:47
Mantikore Mantikore is offline
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Originally Posted by Euda
It's about flavour. Juices from concentrate will never taste quite the same as a more natural juice.

One of the reasons that juices from concentrate are cheaper is that they're sold in bulk and packaged in much smaller containers.

If you aren't a juice connoisseur, then it doesn't particularly matter.


thats why i would have thought. companies save money from orchard to bottling by not having to transport water. though if the concentration involves a lot of heat, it is possible that it damages nutrients
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Old 2009-01-14, 18:56
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thats why i would have thought. companies save money from orchard to bottling by not having to transport water. though if the concentration involves a lot of heat, it is possible that it damages nutrients

are we talking about frozen orange juice from concentrate that comes in a canister thing that you add water to and stir to make a pitcher of orange juice from...or cartons of like, tropicana orange juice that says at the bottom "from concentrate." because i can see how your theory would work with the first kind, but i don't understand it with the second, since they're still transporting the same mass of liquid as they would from concentrate or not.
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Old 2009-01-15, 03:38
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Jötunheim
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are we talking about frozen orange juice from concentrate that comes in a canister thing that you add water to and stir to make a pitcher of orange juice from...or cartons of like, tropicana orange juice that says at the bottom "from concentrate." because i can see how your theory would work with the first kind, but i don't understand it with the second, since they're still transporting the same mass of liquid as they would from concentrate or not.

They're both the same thing. Just that the tropicana has already been re-hydrated for you. By transporting only concentrate, they greatly increase the amount of juice they can transport, since the water has been removed.
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Old 2009-01-15, 17:37
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They're both the same thing. Just that the tropicana has already been re-hydrated for you. By transporting only concentrate, they greatly increase the amount of juice they can transport, since the water has been removed.

But they add the water back. And it's not like it's done at the fucking grocery store, so they're still having to transport the water at least some distance. Seems like it wouldn't be worth it to take it out only to put it back later.
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Old 2009-01-16, 01:18
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But they add the water back. And it's not like it's done at the fucking grocery store, so they're still having to transport the water at least some distance. Seems like it wouldn't be worth it to take it out only to put it back later.

I'm guessing that tropicana would import the concentrate from somewhere distant (foreign?) and re-hydrate and bottle the juice locally. Of course, juice that is from concentrate does not go through the process, therefore it is more expensive to ship, and more expensive to buy. But it does tend to taste better than juice from concentrate.
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Old 2009-01-16, 03:36
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Of course, juice that is from concentrate does not go through the process, therefore it is more expensive to ship, and more expensive to buy. But it does tend to taste better than juice from concentrate.

You lost me.

And they're whole thing has always been "OMG FLORIDA GROWERS" so I don't think they import the oranges or juice.
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Old 2009-01-16, 04:37
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Jötunheim
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Shit, sorry man. I meant to say "juice that is not from concentrate". I can see how my word-slip made my post seem like dribble. Anyways, my point still stands.
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Old 2009-01-16, 05:01
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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil
Shit, sorry man. I meant to say "juice that is not from concentrate". I can see how my word-slip made my post seem like dribble. Anyways, my point still stands.
 
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