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 #1 
Old 2003-10-20, 03:24
rbrt725 rbrt725 is offline
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Default What is 0 divided by 0?

What is 0 divided by 0?

Anything divided by 0 equals 0...

0 divided by anything is infinite...

Anything divided by itself is 1...

Which of these rules takes precedent over the others?
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Old 2003-10-20, 03:28
Azathoth57 Azathoth57 is offline
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Niether you cannot divide anything by 0
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Old 2003-10-20, 05:11
EyeSore EyeSore is offline
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quote:Originally posted by rbrt725:

What is 0 divided by 0?

1) Anything divided by 0 equals 0...

2) 0 divided by anything is infinite...

3) Anything divided by itself is 1...

Which of these rules takes precedent over the others?

1) you cant divide by zero. anything multiplied by 0 is 0.

2)0 divided by anything is 0.

3) you got one right.

there is no answer. it cannot be defined. you can't divide by 0.
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Old 2003-10-21, 05:00
TheBigCHeeze TheBigCHeeze is offline
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Default Re: What is 0 divided by 0?

isn't a black hole where God devided by zero? (its a quote by Einstein I think)
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Old 2003-10-28, 13:45
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"Black holes are where God divided by zero."

- Steven Wright
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Old 2003-10-28, 13:52
JK_the_CJer JK_the_CJer is offline
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Steven Wright the comedian?
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Old 2003-10-28, 21:17
MrCoffee MrCoffee is offline
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0/0 is an indeterminate form. You can't specifically say what it would be unless it was encountered in an equation....you could use limits and limit properties to find out what it was...

example:

f(x)=(x^2-4)/(x+2)

at x = -2, f(x)takes on the indeterminate form of 0/0. However by simple algebra and limit properties we find that lim x-> -2 of

f(x) = 0
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Old 2003-10-28, 23:07
rbrt725 rbrt725 is offline
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Default Re: What is 0 divided by 0?

I have become smarter since I made this post...

5x0=0

5=0/0

You can't divide by zero because anything divided by zero can equal anyting else. It really is a mathematical black hole.
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Old 2003-10-31, 05:13
thegreatone1869 thegreatone1869 is offline
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ITS LIKE THE SAME THING AS SAYING THERE R 0 APPLES AND THERE ARE 0 PEOPLE IF U DISTRIBUT THE APPLES EVENLY HOW MANY APLLES WILL EACH PERSON GET? U CANT DO IT IF THERES NOTHNIG THEN NOTHING CAN BE DONE
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Old 2003-10-31, 11:55
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quote:Originally posted by thegreatone1869:

ITS LIKE THE SAME THING AS SAYING THERE R 0 APPLES AND THERE ARE 0 PEOPLE IF U DISTRIBUT THE APPLES EVENLY HOW MANY APLLES WILL EACH PERSON GET? U CANT DO IT IF THERES NOTHNIG THEN NOTHING CAN BE DONE

The problem with that is, the term 'each person' doesn't make sense.

Sure, since there are no people you can say that practically, 'each person' means 'zero people'

But arithmetic doesn't deal with practically, it deals with technically. And technically, your people-and-apples analogy doesn't make sense.
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Old 2003-10-31, 22:29
unstable247 unstable247 is offline
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lol it sure as hell wasn't einstein.

some of you guys disappoint me sometimes.

by which i mean a lot.
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Old 2003-11-01, 04:10
canoscan canoscan is offline
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quote:Originally posted by rbrt725:

[B]What is 0 divided by 0?

B]



Syntax error.
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Old 2003-11-01, 20:33
aljo39 aljo39 is offline
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Default Re: What is 0 divided by 0?

mm anything divided by 0 is still the same number it was before

example

999/0 = 999

0/0 = 0

hmm this is strange

0 is nothing but at the same time 0 is the middle of everything

example

-1 0 1

-999999999~ -0- 999999999~

so in reality 'sp" 0 is something :S now my brain hurts

wow 0 rulez :P

[This message has been edited by aljo39 (edited 11-01-2003).]
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Old 2003-11-01, 22:22
insideout138 insideout138 is offline
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quote:Originally posted by aljo39:

mm anything divided by 0 is still the same number it was before

example

999/0 = 999

0/0 = 0



You are thinking of 1, you can't divide by 0.
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Old 2003-11-01, 22:30
Pez_V1 Pez_V1 is offline
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Default Re: What is 0 divided by 0?

quote:Originally posted by aljo39:

example

999/0 = 999

0/0 = 0

So if 999/0 = 999, then 999 x 0 = 999?

Please think before posting your theory. If you divid any number zero times, you get zero.

[This message has been edited by Pez_V1 (edited 11-01-2003).]
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Old 2003-11-01, 22:41
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quote:But arithmetic doesn't deal with practically, it deals with technically

Technically, 0 doesn't exist in the first place. It's a purely practical innovation.
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Old 2003-11-01, 23:23
Dystrophy Dystrophy is offline
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I hope rbrt gets a divide by zero error and his brain shuts down, causing his life functions to stop working.

Or maybe, I'll tell him to

for(int x = 1; x > 0; x++);

or even

public static int infiniterecursion ( int x )

{

return infiniterecursion(x+1);

}

Oh yes, this would a funny fate to put on someone.
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Old 2003-11-02, 00:06
insideout138 insideout138 is offline
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quote:Originally posted by Pez_V1:

So if 999/0 = 999, then 999 x 0 = 999?

Please think before posting your theory. If you divid any number zero times, you get zero.

[This message has been edited by Pez_V1 (edited 11-01-2003).]

You can not divide by zero. Right now open up the calculator program on your computer and try it. Get a pocket calculator and try it on that. You won't get anything, but an error.
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Old 2003-11-02, 02:42
aljo39 aljo39 is offline
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I allready know that i can't divide by zero lol

and i learned it the bad way lol using gml and cpp y nearly fucked up my win 3.1 pc lol

also if you readed all my todays post youll notices that i have been joking

but also reading and learning from you thanks indeed

still zero rulez lol
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Old 2003-11-03, 19:26
Wasp Wasp is offline
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You CAN divide with zero. the result will be infinite. Just think about it. If you had eg. 2 apples and no people to eat it (equals 2/0) then the amount of pieces of apple that can be eaten is infinite (theoretically).
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Old 2003-11-03, 22:16
suckmyrocket suckmyrocket is offline
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quote:Originally posted by Wasp:

You CAN divide with zero. the result will be infinite. Just think about it. If you had eg. 2 apples and no people to eat it (equals 2/0) then the amount of pieces of apple that can be eaten is infinite (theoretically).

Thinking about that, it seems to me that if you had 2 apples, and no-one to eat them, the total apples that can be eaten is theoretically zero, seeing as there is no-one there to eat them.



[This message has been edited by suckmyrocket (edited 11-05-2003).]
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Old 2003-11-04, 02:31
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quote:Originally posted by Wasp:

You CAN divide with zero. the result will be infinite. Just think about it. If you had eg. 2 apples and no people to eat it (equals 2/0) then the amount of pieces of apple that can be eaten is infinite (theoretically).

Infinity isn't a number...

The number of pieces that can be eaten could be 1, or 3, or 274.598634.

Hence anything divided by zero is undefined.

quote:Originally posted by suckmyrocket

Thinking about that, it seems to me that if you had 2 apples, and no-one to eat them, to total apples that can be eaten is theoretically zero, seeing as there is no-one there to eat them.

That's dividing zero by two.

ie, zero apples divided among two people.
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Old 2003-11-04, 03:12
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0 is not nothing, but it is not something either

same goes for 1,-1,2,-2. i think they're better defined as properties making why the division by zero is not possible like suckmyrocket described so well.

division by zero is impossible simply because there is no solution.
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Old 2003-11-04, 12:17
dark-easterbunny dark-easterbunny is offline
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devidin by 0 gives you an infinite amount of answers if i remember correctly, that would explain the error.. nothin can display al the numbers in the universe
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Old 2003-11-04, 13:12
Wasp Wasp is offline
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quote:Originally posted by IzzyReele:

0 is not nothing, but it is not something either

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division by zero is impossible simply because there is no solution.

Why wouldn't 0 be nothing?

If you had 1 apple and 1 person to eat it (1-1), you'll have NO apples to eat anymore!

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It is impossible because there are infinite answers. you could calculate it as you would calculate eg. pi or 2sqr

so n/0 would be 0.0000...001 AND 0.0000...002 (so on, so on) 99999...9.99998 and 99999...9.99999 .
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Old 2003-11-05, 02:54
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0 divided by 0 = Syntax.
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Old 2003-11-05, 06:06
insideout138 insideout138 is offline
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If it were Infinity the calculator would say "Infinity".
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Old 2003-11-05, 11:45
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quote:Originally posted by insideout138:

If it were Infinity the calculator would say "Infinity".

Unfortunately, calculators aren't programmed to say, "Infinity".
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Old 2003-11-05, 11:51
Mr Odd Mr Odd is offline
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How about this to confuse everybody...

x^2 - x^2 = x^2 - x^2

x(x - x) = (x + x)(x - x)

Divide both sides by (x - x)

x = (x + x)

x = 2x

Divide by x

1 = 2

hehehe now its your turn to work out whats wrong with what i just did (think 0)

By the way, if you think about it, this highlights the stupidity of thinking about seriously considering the division of 0...
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Old 2003-11-05, 15:15
nononononono nononononono is offline
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but if you're dividing by zero, it means you are dividing something zero times, which means you are not dividing.
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Old 2003-11-05, 23:05
MrCoffee MrCoffee is offline
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The starting expression is already = to 0.
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Old 2003-11-05, 23:37
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"Why wouldn't 0 be nothing?

If you had 1 apple and 1 person to eat it (1-1), you'll have NO apples to eat anymore!"

can't you see the answer yourself there?

if you had 1 apple and 1 person to eat it, there would not be nothing to eat, just simply no apples to eat.

why do people have such a hard time grasping the concepts of 0, nothing, and infinity?

here is a simple way to understand why it cannot be done.

let's use kindergarten math shall we?

12/6=2 why? because 2*6=12

12/0=x

now using the same reverse application 0*x=12.

give me the value of x?

IT CAN'T BE DONE.
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Old 2003-11-07, 08:56
CrazyJonas CrazyJonas is offline
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IT is an undefined number like pi and shit ok thats all to it no more.
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Old 2003-11-07, 08:57
CrazyJonas CrazyJonas is offline
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0/0 is undefined nothin more !
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Old 2003-11-08, 06:51
Jade Falcon Jade Falcon is offline
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The number zero doesn't exist in this universe anywhere, even in a singularity. So dividing something by zero by zero is just a play on words. "nonononononono" is correct imho.
 
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